Slap-ya-Mammy said:

twighead said:

Seems silly - but Japan was still much better prepared for war at the outbreak going into 1942 - Not to mention the US was going to be attempting to fight a war thousands of miles away with literally almost nothing between our nation and theirs but ocean... and Japan had quite a powerful navy at the time.  Literally all Japan really needed to do was keep the US navy underwater and the war was in the bag for the foreseeable future.

The mixture of massive luck/skill/planning/preparation leading to the Battle of Midway nearly decided the entire following war in the US' favor... and it could've nearly as easily swung the other direction...

It's easy to see the situation as highly biased towards the US but consider that Japan had been at war quite consistently for the last 40 years - they were hardened veterans and experience means a lot in conflict... they owned half of China, all of Korea - and almost all the islands between Australia and Japan... Our industrial capacity once completely engaged was much higher as well as having better access to key resources, but I think it's completely wrong to get the idea that the war was completely tilted towards the US from the start and that Japan stood no chance. No chance of invading the US alone probably but that was never their tactic.

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Japan is surely a redoubtable nation. But cmon, no fucking navy woulda won the fuckin war

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You clearly don't really know what you're talking about. Naval superiority/dominance is one of the most important aspects of any conventional war and has been for centuries.

Sophistic Radiance said:

Did I hear that the Japanese submitted their unconditional surrender before they got nuked twice? The U.S. just wanted to make an example of them? Fucking terrible, but of course the US will never apologize for its terrorism.

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Prisoner#1 said:

Sophistic Radiance said:

Did I hear that the Japanese submitted their unconditional surrender before they got nuked twice? The U.S. just wanted to make an example of them? Fucking terrible, but of course the US will never apologize for its terrorism.

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only one flaw in this

japan never made an unconditional surrender until after they were nuked

what exactly was it that japan did prior to and during WWII, oh yeah, korea and
china are the first things that come to mind, then comes the treatment of
prisoners during the war

why do they deserve an apology?

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In dust we trust said:

Prisoner#1 said:

Sophistic Radiance said:

Did I hear that the Japanese submitted their unconditional surrender before they got nuked twice? The U.S. just wanted to make an example of them? Fucking terrible, but of course the US will never apologize for its terrorism.

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only one flaw in this

japan never made an unconditional surrender until after they were nuked

what exactly was it that japan did prior to and during WWII, oh yeah, korea and
china are the first things that come to mind, then comes the treatment of
prisoners during the war

why do they deserve an apology?

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Clearly this person is completely delusional

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Slap-ya-Mammy said:

twighead said:

Seems silly - but Japan was still much better prepared for war at the outbreak going into 1942 - Not to mention the US was going to be attempting to fight a war thousands of miles away with literally almost nothing between our nation and theirs but ocean... and Japan had quite a powerful navy at the time.  Literally all Japan really needed to do was keep the US navy underwater and the war was in the bag for the foreseeable future.

The mixture of massive luck/skill/planning/preparation leading to the Battle of Midway nearly decided the entire following war in the US' favor... and it could've nearly as easily swung the other direction...

It's easy to see the situation as highly biased towards the US but consider that Japan had been at war quite consistently for the last 40 years - they were hardened veterans and experience means a lot in conflict... they owned half of China, all of Korea - and almost all the islands between Australia and Japan... Our industrial capacity once completely engaged was much higher as well as having better access to key resources, but I think it's completely wrong to get the idea that the war was completely tilted towards the US from the start and that Japan stood no chance. No chance of invading the US alone probably but that was never their tactic.

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Japan is surely a redoubtable nation. But cmon, no fucking navy woulda won the fuckin war

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What would we have done without our navy? I mean literally... how else do you get across the pacific ocean?

As I said Japan didn't need to invade America to achieve their goal in the war, they simply had to keep us out of their business in Asia. Without the navy there is no practical way for the US to fight such a foe.

Prisoner#1 said:

Sophistic Radiance said:

Did I hear that the Japanese submitted their unconditional surrender before they got nuked twice? The U.S. just wanted to make an example of them? Fucking terrible, but of course the US will never apologize for its terrorism.

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only one flaw in this

japan never made an unconditional surrender until after they were nuked

what exactly was it that japan did prior to and during WWII, oh yeah, korea and
china are the first things that come to mind, then comes the treatment of
prisoners during the war

why do they deserve an apology?

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enlightened seed said:

oh but hey maybe we should have helped them rebuild after some nukes fell on their land.  they would have helped clean up Pearl Harbor wouldn't they have?

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California said:

No.  Japan fucked with the bull and they got the horns.

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enlightened seed said:

well they had it coming.  retaliation is a son of a bitch.

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BrotherManBill said:

California said:

No.  Japan fucked with the bull and they got the horns.

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I don't even know how to respond to this. We had an alliance just as they did. We didn't spend all our money rebuilding England or France, or any other country afterwards. WE are in debt to japan for a very inhumane act that WE carried out on them. Anything else is insufficient in my mind. No other bombings in history have destroyed as many people as the atom bombs that we dropped on them.

That is nothing to be proud of as a country, or support for that matter. It ended a war that was already over, great job.

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BrotherManBill said:

enlightened seed said:

well they had it coming.  retaliation is a son of a bitch.

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Easy for someone on the other side of it to say. Countries make relations based on their aspirations as a whole, they side with those who have similar goals. Doesn't make them bad people or deserving of something that atrocious.

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