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 Little Shroom
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 Re: An apology from a Canadian...  [Re: Innvertigo]
#1443566 - 04/09/03 03:25 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think I was misunderstood. You don't necessarily have to be pro-war to want to help a friend. I am very much against war...
BUT... I think that if a friend asks another for help... (notice I say ASKS, and not TELLS) it would be only right to help.
I am not a political person, I can't get into deep details of what is going on. I just strongly believe that this situation is weakening the friendship between the two countries, and that is NOT cool.
As for Canadians wanting to be Americans, that is bullshit and you know that is true. I wouldn't give up my Canadian title for the world, or anything that anyone could ever offer me. But I do hold a high respect for the PEOPLE in America... (not necessarily it's leader)
I guess I may not make a worthy enough political statement for some of you to be pleased with what I have to say, but I am not trying to sway anybody's opinion. I just feel strongly about it... that is all.
-LS-
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slime_R
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Innvertigo]
#1443595 - 04/09/03 03:33 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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The US is just trying to stop the bullshit that has been going on for years in Iraq. If it helps our economy so what, that doesn?t make it wrong. I really do think some iraqis are going to retaliate on us though, and there is nothing we can do about it. We aren?t scared of those pussies. Hopefully the next generation of Iraqi citizens will realize what we have done for them.
Also, how are we exactly impossing our culture and ways on the Iraqis? If by telling them that it is not kosher to kill and tourture citizens to keep order, then I guess we are.
Edited by slime_R (04/09/03 06:02 PM)
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Meat_Log_Smurf
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Innvertigo]
#1443885 - 04/09/03 05:13 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks LS, while I wasnt in great support of the war I WAS in support of our troops, unlike some Americans. Canada's a great place well only been there once but I had a great time though I did feel like hammered dogshit the next morning. I know many Canadians supported our troops and for that I tip my hat to them. If you cats got in a scrap to overthrow an evil regime I would definately be pro-Canadian. Unless your fighting (Southern) Mexico, thats a different story and not that Mexico's evil. Oh well many thanks.
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Little Shroom]
#1444032 - 04/09/03 06:04 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm quite HAPPY about the fact that Canada (and its prime minister) REFUSED to obey the CORPORATE leaders. First of all, Canada doesn't need to INVADE any countries/nations.
And since when should Canada blindly follow USA?
You don`t like peace? Perhaps you might be a racist who hates other cultures?
Or a patriotic american brainwashed by the mass-media ?
Nonetheless, I deeply admire your ignorance and your lack of respect towards suffering human beings.
Simple d`esprit que tu est.
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Killjoy]
#1444046 - 04/09/03 06:11 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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Killjoy...
"Any country that starts a war 'in the name of God', is fucking dangerous, and ignorant."
I think any war is dangerous and ignorant. That is the point of why the use gods name, is to make it seem OK that there going to war.
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In(di)go
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Little Shroom]
#1444170 - 04/09/03 06:59 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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i must say i am SEVERELY disappointed from you, little shroom, and especially from you thor... out of a lot of people on this site, i thought you guys would know better than this... i thought you guys would know better than support a war based on corporate needs... (or should i say greeds)
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we've had all the debates on who's country is better, we all know that we should be equals, and we should be friends
i've got news for you... the iraqi people are your equals, too... and they should be your friends, too... but no! lets just bomb them... i mean hell! why don't you bomb texas, they've got oil, too! oh... sorry i forgot texas already belongs to bush...
and i am as thankful and proud of the canadian prime minister as i am of my own government, which also refused to join bush in his cruzade for oil...
now dont get me wron i think it is an honorable gesture of you to want to help your fellow american's... but please save your energy and good will to do it when they really need help, and above all when the cause is right and not some corporate bullshit... maybe after an earthquake or another tornado...
i know a lot of the war supporterst bash me because of the first two WWs, and i kind of see it coming again... so before you indulge in that, let me say a few things... first of all, the world wars are not the subject at hand, they are in the past... second of all if you NEED to bring them up i would like to point out that i am perfectly aware that what hitler did was altogether fucked up... but above all i think it was fucked up that he got all the support from the people he needed to do what he did (much like in the states "president" bush and his corporate regime is getting the support he needs)... i know your going to bash me and flame me for even thinking about comparing the 2 situations, but im afraid im going to have to... visit the site of the Project for the New American Century and you will see that what the little folks in the white house are doing is not so different from what hitler had in mind... it's called World Domination!!!!... and there is even a wee bit of racism in "president" bush's plan, and the way his government is brainwashing the masses... at least 5 out of 10 americans have prejudice against islamic people... but well... i guess thats just the way it goes... just remember that the first casualty in any war is the truth
and about the "war is a necesary evil" bullshit... you can keep that to yourself... it is just necesary as long as there are people who think it is... and fat greedy corporate fucks that would do anything to get even richer than they already are... "war is over... if you want it to" -John Lennon & Yoko Ono
PEACE,
Indigo
ps: Little Shroom, you should be more than proud to see someone with principles and ideals like your Prime Minister is representing your country... its a shame the same cannot be said about america's president... after all he is the one ruling this world...
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Little Shroom]
#1444223 - 04/09/03 07:15 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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thats a brave statement coming from a canadian on these boards Littleshroom. kudos too you.
sometimes it seems like the anti-US mindset i see on here is no better than than very pro-US can do nothing wrong mindset on the opposite end of the spectrum.
It must almost make the antiUS types cry to see the iraq people celebrate. to see the war plans thus far appear quite intelligent. so instead of just saying what is they always have a next bad senario that "Will" happen now.
as ive stated before i hope the end justifies the means.. thus far the begining of the end looks ok. and if you are a citizen of iraq and not a member of saddam's political party....well i bet your are happy too.
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Little Shroom]
#1444245 - 04/09/03 07:19 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most of us americans love canoodians, we just like to give you guys shit because it's fun...
<3
who cares anyways
we need to unite as a planet
forget continents
I forgot continents 
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In(di)go
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Morphrying]
#1444341 - 04/09/03 07:46 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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we need to unite as a planet
i agree... and war is not the way to do it
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In(di)go
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: oDin]
#1444386 - 04/09/03 07:56 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh, and oDin... id like to point out that i am not antiUS... i love your country, and thats exactly the reason im doing what i do... because i cant stand to see how the government keeps screwing the people in your country over... bush is taking your tax money to finance a war that will only get HIM richer... he has destroyed your freedom of speech, and your right to privacy... he passes tax laws that make the rich richer and the poor poorer... he refuses to pass laws that reduce the gas consume in cars, thus destroying the environment AND enrichening himself for after all he is the one selling the gas... he wants to start drilling for oil in alaska, one of the biggest natural reserves on earth... it is your government i am pissed at... and it is you i am worried about... actually i am worried about me, too... i am worried about the whole friggin planet if things continue the way they are going...
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: In(di)go]
#1444408 - 04/09/03 08:00 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it's an absolute disgrace that Canada isn't joining in the Iraq war. People are right about our longstanding friendship. The USA and Canada have stood side by side for too long for us not to join in a war, to help our friend when they are threatened by the forces of evil.
I want to apologize as well. As a Canadian I am disgraced by our lack of support in this time of need, and I would like to point out why. The Americans have always been there for us. Remember 1914 and 1939? These were times when Canada was heavily threatened by outside forces, and did the Americans help us out? Of course they did! As soon as WW1 and WW2 began the USA joined us on the front lines, no questions asked, and so I am completely disgusted and guilt-ridden to be part of a country who seems to just allow all this genocide to happen. I mean, Saddam is an evil man, as was Hitler, so why the delay? Why don't we just join right in the way the Americans did back in 1914 and 1939?? Yes, we seriously owe them an apology and an explanation. I mean, here I am thinking we were friends.
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trendal
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Dogomush]
#1444785 - 04/09/03 09:50 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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As soon as WW1 and WW2 began the USA joined us on the front lines, no questions asked
Actually it's the other way around. Our soldiers (Canada) were being killed in the front lines while the USA sat on the sidelines and didn't really get involved. 
What about 1812? The USA tried to invade Canada! (which, granted, was still a British colony). We have since reconciled our differences 
Canada doesn't owe any more to the US than the US owes to us. We have both benefited eachother and brought eachother down through the years. Just the way it goes.
The US doesn't need our help man, trust me. They have what is probably (ok it is) the most powerful military in the world. That's impressive man. They could turn just about any country they wanted to into a parking lot without too much hassle.
The american government did not ask for our help because they needed it. They just want more lackeys.
Now listen I gotta say something to all the Americans here!
I am not anti-American...but I don't much like your government. From the point of view of a non-American, it looks like your government just does whatever it feels like. Or worse, whatever the corporations feel like.
We don't hate you guys, we just hate your government
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: trendal]
#1444928 - 04/09/03 10:28 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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First and foremost I want to thank Littleshroom for her concern about our countries relationship. I dont think this situation will significantly diminish the friendship our nations have. I know on a personal level at least that I hold great respect for my northern neighbors and their unwillingness to get involved is understood and all fine and dandy.
On the other hand, trendal... I think i have a shirt around here that says "if you want peace, prepare for war". You can scream at the top of your lungs about peace and world harmony, and i dont think anyone here would disagree that it would be the most ideal situation.... but thats about all it is and can be at this point. Given America is the dominant military power in the world, and our justification for the war may seem self-motivated... but are you actually arguing that what we are doing is not for the better? What about all the Kurds that were mass murdered by the Bathe party? What about the Iraqis that come out of their houses gleeful to see American soldiers? And another thing, the only reason Canada doesn't have to fight wars is cause everyone knows thats just asking for America to kick their ass... cause even with our scuffles, we love you guys.
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: vivid]
#1444986 - 04/09/03 10:45 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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are you actually arguing that what we are doing is not for the better?
Not at all! Just that I don't think Canada needs to get involved in this. We are most certainly NOT a major military power. Seriously why do you need our help?
And another thing, the only reason Canada doesn't have to fight wars is cause everyone knows thats just asking for America to kick their ass...
Lol ok I do have to disagree there
The reason Canada doesn't have to fight any wars is because no one has any reason to start any wars with us. We're peacekeepers. Everyone knows that. I've been to Europe, at least, and everyone I met over there seemed to have a lot of love for a Canadian. And it wasn't just because they were scared of the US 
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As far as the intentions of your government go...the safety and well-being of the Iraqi people are most definately not first on the list. The liberation of Iraq may be a very GOOD result of this war, but I seriously don't think it's the purpose.
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: trendal]
#1445244 - 04/09/03 11:40 PM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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ahem yes I was being sarcastic
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: trendal]
#1445674 - 04/10/03 03:09 AM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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We don't hate you guys, we just hate your government
i think the americans don't hate the iraqi people, they hate their gov't...the thing is, they're dong something about it.
also, the simple thought of only sending troops to fight and be killed is ignorant. support is also helping the U.S, Britain and other involved nations rebuild Iraq and provide much needed 'help' to a country right after it has been fucked by war. things like police, food and water. supportive things like that...
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: felix]
#1445686 - 04/10/03 03:21 AM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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A good reason why not to support america in any war would be friendly fire imo as i think(thought im not sure) that the americans killed more britains than the iraqis did in this war.So i suppose if you wont to lose soilders then supporting and helping america in wars is prob a good thing :-)
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Paid]
#1445689 - 04/10/03 03:28 AM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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i definately wouldn't want to be out there...getting shot accidentally by a brit or an angry u.s. soldier wouldn't be too fun, but those things happen. damn.
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: Innvertigo]
#1445707 - 04/10/03 03:56 AM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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i live in canada...
when was marijuana legalized ??? its still very illegal :|
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In(di)go
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Re: An apology from a Canadian... [Re: felix]
#1445809 - 04/10/03 05:53 AM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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also, the simple thought of only sending troops to fight and be killed is ignorant. support is also helping the U.S, Britain and other involved nations rebuild Iraq and provide much needed 'help' to a country right after it has been fucked by war. things like police, food and water. supportive things like that...
im very sorry to say this, man... but the american's started a war and fucked over a country WITHOUT the support of the UN... so america better deal with the consequences and rebuild the mess it left on its fucking own... it's always the same and im tired... america starts a war that is "alegedly" for peace when its actually for money... and when the war is over the united nations have to pay for the reconstruction...
oh and one more thing... i remember that the actual reason this war started (please, NEVER forget this) was because "president" bush thought that saddam had biochemichal weapons... this was before they thought that it would be a good idea to get support for the war if they just tell the people they are liberating opressed people... well maybe they are, but america doesnt give a fuck about the people... having a democracy installed by themselves will help them control where the oil flows to... and finally, did they find any biochemical weapons? i didnt think so... so according the the first and actual purpose that was presented, this war was a total fiasco...
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