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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica]
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Edited by psychobla (05/23/17 09:33 PM)

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
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You guys are all so mature.

Kratom kids are worse than the mouth fedora vapers.

I asked nicely and you guys wouldn't stop, so then when I'm rude about it you guys still do it just out of spite.

Man your parents must be real proud.


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Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
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:feelswierman:


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[quote]Sheekle said:
[quote]ThatKidWithTheFace said:
Is this the same aunt that fucks dogs?[/quote]
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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: psychobla]
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psychobla said:
IME nootropics are fairly psychoactive in nature. I can see where you're coming from trying to cut out traditional "drugs", but I personally don't draw the same distinction. To each their own, but I really think weed is the healthiest/ most effective way to get to sleep (outside of a full bowl of heavy soup lol).

If you're looking for a non-psychoactive route I would say diet/lifestyle is the only thing that will make a significant difference. Exercise is the only way I can get any sleep when I'm not smoking herb.



Mainly just recreational drugs.

You wouldn't take nootropics for a recreational purpose. I don't consider recreational drugs nootropics in my opinion.

Regardless of that fact though the other posters should the decency of respecting what information I want discussed in the limited time I have to discuss it before I'll be unable to have my order shipped tomorrow from this.

Very fucking irritating when some immature users run around spamming the smug jerry graem and posting about such a waste of time, drug like kratom and claiming it has cognitive benefits like a nootropic. Instead of people responding to actual information of value in the thread, they have chosen to respond to these immature users and continue derailing a thread where I've asked them nicely to stop. It is very very fucking irritating.

I guess I'll just let the thread derail into whatever it wants now anyways, since I won't have enough time for discussion and ordering the products I want. Oh well.

Thanks to the 2 posters who actually contributed positively to this thread.


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Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica] * 3
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[quote]Sheekle said:
[quote]ThatKidWithTheFace said:
Is this the same aunt that fucks dogs?[/quote]
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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
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My best success was with Oxiracetam, Centrophenoxine, Vinpotecine, and Choline Bitartrate stacked, along with general multivitamins and proper nutrition.

Piracetam has been an on/off staple over the years, and I have aniracetam now--  I have to admit-- I can't really "feel" anything with either, and don't have any idea if it's helping. I'm just using what I've got left.

One thing that did also make a felt improvement was Modifanil--though not a Nootropic in the same vein, I remember that stuff fondly--especially with the right bright weed...but it's so impossible to get cheap anymore, and adrifanil never worked for me, that it's just a memory now.

Also, Kratom is

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: coAsTal]
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Modafinil or Adrafinil?

Modafinil is a prescription drug, although I believe it used to be sold as a nootropic, it's definitely not now. Adrafinil is the current nootropic that's the analogue of Modafinil I believe. I could be wrong though.


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Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica]
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Psychonautica said:
morrowasted said:
kratom and phenibut are not nootropics


Colouracetam and Noopept are my faves but a lot of people swear by Aniracetam. I don't get much out of it. Never tried Pram or Oxi.


Kratom is not a nootropic I understand that, but how is phenibut not a nootropic?


Quote:
no·o·trop·ic
ˌnōəˈträpik/
adjective
1.
(of a drug) used to enhance memory or other cognitive functions.
noun


here is a good article on it


the classic definition of nootropic excludes any potentially habit forming substances

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: morrowasted]
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Technically though, everything can be habit forming.

Screaming every time you turn your key in your house, too be louder than the sound of your door unlocking can be a habit.

I don't understand that definition. Does the definition just mean physically addicting?


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The chances of you even being born, Were forty million to one. There's two parts of the statistic And I want you to live through one
3/8/95 - 7/10/15 Rest In Paradise, Brother.
Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica]
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Psychonautica said:
Modafinil or Adrafinil?

Modafinil is a prescription drug, although I believe it used to be sold as a nootropic, it's definitely not now. Adrafinil is the current nootropic that's the analogue of Modafinil I believe. I could be wrong though.


I mis-spelled.
You can always buy it from online vendors with research- was easier years ago when I did it. Adrafinil is weaker per volume I believe-- dunno, haven't used it in ages- just remember liking Modafinil lots back then

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica]
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I know you don't want to hear about kratom. I'm assuming you just had a shitty connection.  As far as it being expensive, I get mine for around 10 cents a gram, and it works great.

Back on topic, I take around 40mg of noopept 1-2x a day, and notice very positive benefits. I haven't tried any others, though.

Edited by Fletcher (03/13/16 08:05 PM)

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica] * 2
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No, you can't post the source of your nootropics for the obvious reasons- Those that are FDA approved are prescription only, and the others aren't approved for human consumption.

Kratom contains several alkaloids which act as NSAIDs (and alkaloids which bind almost as strongly to our opiod receptors as bupe), so.. :lol: That you described it as extremely expensive means you got ripped off, and from the sounds of it got bunked to boot. If by chance you didn't get bunk stuff, which I assume you did, I am not sure why you would be considering nootropics. Reports for them are much more hit or miss than kratom.


Look for the vendors reviews on the forums which it's okay to discuss that stuff, simply Googling would probably answer your question.


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Edited by DustBunny (03/13/16 08:08 PM)

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Fletcher]
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Adrafinil is a prodrug of Modafinil.

So it's obviously going to be less potent to some degree.

Your liver can only metabolize so much of the Adrafinil at a time.

Meaning if you only have enough enzymes to convert half your dose , you'll only feel half the dose
Fletcher said:
I know you don't want to hear about kratom. I'm assuming you just had a shitty connection.  As far as it being expensive, I get mine for around 10 cents a gram, and it works great.

Back on topic, I take around 40mg of noopept 1-2x a day, and notice very positive benefits. I haven't tried any others, though.


No it's not just a shitty connection.

I have tried Vendors who support the shroomery, I have tried different strains, I have tried name brands and extracts that members have recommended as well.

It's just a terrible drug, and this whole forum is obsessed with it. The Kratomery is a better name for this site than the Shroomery these days.

I never said it was expensive, I said it was a waste of money, which it is. I bought krat from all different venders and sources, in different strains and varieties, and even bout extracts, and name brand leafs and name brand extracts, it's all damn near useless, and all a waste of money.

It's not that I hate it THAT much, It's that I was really trying to get an order in tonight and actually be able to discuss this before I ordered but when I asked them to take their kratom discussion elsewhere they decided to be VERY MATURE adults and continue shit posting about Kratom and then spamming that stupid smug jerry graem which has become the cancer of the shroomery and is slowly killing it off.

The only thing worse than Kratom itself is the Kratom user base.

It's stimulant effects are worse and less than caffeine, and it's opiate effects, are less than a tylenol 3. I've spent probably over 100 dollars listening to people like you who promised "you just had a shitty connection" so I kept trying it, and kept trying it. I even tried different strains. It is a complete waste of money and I would highly advise against anyone buying it and wasting their money, personally, I wish it would just get scheduled and made illegal so people will stop talking about it so much.

Fletcher said:
Back on topic, I take around 40mg of noopept 1-2x a day, and notice very positive benefits. I haven't tried any others, though.


What are the benefits you've noticed personally? I mean I can obviously just look up the benefits it's supposed to have but I'd rather know how it effects you specifically.


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The chances of you even being born, Were forty million to one. There's two parts of the statistic And I want you to live through one
3/8/95 - 7/10/15 Rest In Paradise, Brother.
Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: DustBunny]
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DustBunny said:
No, you can't post the source of your nootropics for the obvious reasons- Those that are FDA approved are prescription only, and the others aren't approved for human consumption.

Kratom contains several alkaloids which act as NSAIDs (and alkaloids which bind almost as strongly to our opiod receptors as bupe), so.. :lol: That you described it as extremely expensive means you got ripped off, and from the sounds of it got bunked to boot. If by chance you didn't get bunk stuff, which I assume you did, I am not sure why you would be considering nootropics. Reports for them are much more hit or miss than kratom.


Look for the vendors reviews on the forums which it's okay to discuss that stuff, simply Googling would probably answer your question.


Again. I never said kratom was expensive. I said it was a waste of money, and I stand by that claim. Something can be cheap and still be a waste of money.

If I got "bunked" and bought from a shitty vendor we should probably do something about all the shitty vendors advertising in the toolbar then, since I bought from almost all of them trying to find this magical miracle krat everyone talks about.

I literally hit CTRL+F and looked for expensive and the only people to every say it until this post previously, were you two lol.

Puttin words in my mouth, I tell ya.


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3/8/95 - 7/10/15 Rest In Paradise, Brother.
Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica]
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I guess I said my research with it proved extremely expensive, which it was. I forgot about the first page lol

I bought loads and loads and loads of krat from different vendors. It's not expensive per dose or anything, but when you buy multiple KG's total, across different vendors, and barely get any results, when you usually get no results besides feeling like a nauseous idiot who just ate a bunch of grass clippings

I got a whole lot of different kratom fro the price, but it was still a waste of money so in my opinion that qualifies as expensive.

It wasn't the krat that was expensive, it was all the people here doing exactly what you guys are doing right now making it expensive "Oh it didnt work you just got ripped off here buy from my guy buy from steve buy from billy you just got bunked kratom's great buy some more"

Like just no, you're helping rip people off by even saying all the stuff that gets said about it.

You're better off with caffeine and codeine than kratom.


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The chances of you even being born, Were forty million to one. There's two parts of the statistic And I want you to live through one
3/8/95 - 7/10/15 Rest In Paradise, Brother.
Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica]
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If you don't like it, send it to me :P I've never found anything I like better.

Well, except for, y'know, hydrocodone.


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[quote]Sheekle said:
[quote]ThatKidWithTheFace said:
Is this the same aunt that fucks dogs?[/quote]
u bet ur ass it is.[/quote]

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
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Psychonautica said:
I know about Kratom, it's effects are highly exaggerated, and in all of my research has proven to be an extremely expensive terrible waste, if not completely useless to achieve any sort of useful effects out of it.


Yeah, except you did.

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Fletcher]
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Reading comprehension sure is hard these days :cookiemonster:

I even acknowledged me saying that yet you still pointed it out?

I didn't say kratom was expensive, I said that my research with kratom was expensive. Can you see the difference here?

After sourcing it from multiple different vendors because people like insisted I got scammed so I bought from someone else, and then I bought different strains, etc. etc. after trying many different strains, in many different amounts. I finally realized that it's a waste of money and a terrible substance. When people like you and dustbunny run around saying "Oh you just got scammed/robbed/bunked and get people to buy it from a different source instead of just explaining to them the drug sucks, it becomes very expensive.


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The chances of you even being born, Were forty million to one. There's two parts of the statistic And I want you to live through one
3/8/95 - 7/10/15 Rest In Paradise, Brother.
Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: Psychonautica] * 2
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Spending several hundred dollars between various vendors before finally giving up might be something to take responsibility for.  You are in a serious minority in your stance on codeine and kratom: 180mg codeine is considered equianalgesic to 2/3mg of kratom's strongest known opiod alkaloid for about ~170x its potency by weight. Expecting kratom to be purely an opiod was wrong, though, as it also contains opiod antagonists owed to its ceiling. In any case kratom is a very unique plant with a wide range of alkaloids and effects, and has been utilized by countless people specifically for its analgesic effects.

Studies done with those who actually needed painkillers probably provide more insight into its effectiveness as a painkiller than someone who continued trying it because they thought it was going to provide a strong high. That said people might not be taking your verdict into account to begin with, given your habit of instigating conflict. Most sure didn't take anything Bitter Cactus said seriously after a while.


Psychonautica said:
I didn't say kratom was expensive, I said that my research with kratom was expensive. Can you see the difference here?


The end result is the exact same, thus for all intents and purposes there is no difference. Trying to argue that is liking hurting you much more helping your argument or defending yourself.


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Edited by DustBunny (03/13/16 09:02 PM)

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Re: Need Nootropic help [Re: DustBunny]
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I'm definitely not in a serious minority actually, it's just all the kratom heads seemed to flocked together on the shroomery.

Aside from that, the reason I spent that much is because of people like you guys. Running around insisting that anyone who doesn't get totally turnt of kratom got robbed and then linking them to your favorite vendor or what have you etc. etc.

Besides the fact that your post was a clear attack on me, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about it. Lord knows I'll say something too mean and catch a ban for it :cookiemonster:

Go make your own kratom thread if you want to discuss it that bad.
DustBunny said:
Expecting kratom to be purely an opiod was wrong,


Never once did I say I expected that.


DustBunny said:
Studies done with those who actually needed painkillers probably provide more insight into its effectiveness as a painkiller than someone who continued trying it because they thought it was going to provide a strong high.


Studies also show placebo's are also very effective in pain treatment.

DustBunny said:
The end result is the exact same, thus for all intents and purposes there is no difference. Trying to argue that is liking hurting you much more helping your argument or defending yourself.


That's just stupid lol.

With the amount of people posting about how MINDBLOWINGLY GREAT KRATOM IS WOW 10/10 YOU GOTTA TRY THIS, and then with everyone MUTUALLY AGREEING that you got ripped off when you don't get any noticeable effects, yet it's my fault for believing you guys and continuing to try this product?

Lol I'm sorry I used to view the shroomery users as intelligent helpful people I'll be sure to check that off the list now!

DustBunny said:
That said people might not be taking your verdict into account to begin with, given your habit of instigating conflict. Most sure didn't take anything Bitter Cactus said seriously after a while.


This is the worst part of everything you said too, it just means someone else is going to fall into the Kratom wonder drug facade that the shroomery members put on, rant and rave about, and eventually get ripped off because it's a crock of shit.


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Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

Edited by Psychonautica (03/13/16 09:17 PM)

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