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Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi)
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Edit: further research has shown me that 1235 mics of LSD + maoi might be just a teeny bit strong, but more than that potentially dangerous (the Maoi addition, not the high amount of LSD)


I'll be taking 13 hits of 100 mic lsd either this Monday, or next Monday, depending on my schedule. This lsd is 95% pure so it will be 1235 micrograms. Set will be my home alone with my dog to tripsit me. Mindset is the usual mind set for me for LSD, keep it simple and clear thoughts. I have 7 grams of Syrian rue, and an unknown amount of b. Caapi (10-14 grams) I will probably start my trip by rolling a couple blunts to have at least one for lift off, one for while I'm flying high and one to ease the descent.
I've tripped large amounts of LSD before, and alone a few times
My last time was 0.25 grams about a month ago. My other high doses were 1+ mg with a friend, <1mg alone and 700 mics+ shrooms+ mdma. I'm wondering how much the rue (or b. Caapi) will potentiate, as I have no experience with either. Which one of the two would be preferred? Any other tips for adding rue/caapi to my LSD trips?

I read a report where a guy smoked about 1 g Syrian rue, then mixed 0.5 g rue with weed and smoked it and blasted off super intense. My plan was to put 0.5 grams into the first of three blunts, smoke it about half an hour or so before I take the LSD. If I do this around 8:30-9, then take the LSD in half an hour, will I be somewhat normal by around 9am? I've tripped a whole lot so around people (my parents or others) I can be peaking on 200 mics and they wouldn't notice. Usually I'm almost 100% back to baseline in around 10-12 hours, although sleepy as hell. However, 0.25 grams LSD I wasn't functional normal for almost a whole day, I basically sat in bed all day and felt bad cause I was being lazy and these friends were waiting on me hand and foot, but I felt like I couldn't physically do much without anyone's help (I didn't even know what my phone was for a while lol, and 700mics+shrooms+MDMA+weed I was still tripping 18 hours later although I was getting errands done.

I left the original post intact
However further review seems like this may be a plan:
Rue+ 200 mics LSD
And then try to increase the combo over time


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Edited by Mike4aco (02/08/16 09:56 AM)

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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
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I dont think mixing an MAOi with LSD is smart, you run the risk of serotonin syndrome.
Also rue is unpredictable, harmalas is alot more stable as an MAOi, but do not mix an maoi with LSD.


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: impaired420] * 2
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impaired420 said:
I dont think mixing an MAOi with LSD is smart, you run the risk of serotonin syndrome.


Why does everyone spout out these types of warnings regarding MAOIs? Saying various things will cause serious hazards when an MAOI is combined with something else, when the person in fact has very little knowledge of MAOIs? Just because MAOIs might be unique for a larger-than-average list of contraindications does not mean that any substance you think up is contraindicated with MAOIs. Read my two posts in this thread (#22847118) and you should see that MAOIs are much safer than you think. LSD's pharmacology is nowhere near the type of substance that can create serotonin syndrome when on MAOI. In fact, LSD's pharmaoclogy is very similar to DMT and mushrooms, substances that have a long history of being combined with MAOIs. And just yesterday I came across a thread on Bluelight on combining MAOIs with 2C-B.*

What would motivate you to say that combining LSD with an MAOI could cause serotonin syndrome? Because you have some vague idea that LSD's pharmacology is more complicated than that of DMT/psilocybin?

...I even have reason to believe that if someone gorged themself on aged cheese after ingesting ayahuasca that it would just kill the ayahuasca trip! Because there two distinct types of MAOIs, reversible and irreversible, and the notorious food hazard is a result of the fact that irreversible MAOIs are irreversible and so an influx of tyramine will not be able to be handled by the body normally. I think that the reversible property of certain MAOIs speaks of the MAOI being kicked out of your system if tyramine is consumed. The harmine and harmaline found in rue and B. caapi are reversible. More information on this issue in the below link.

The reversible binding to MAO-A by moclobemide allows amines such as tyramine to displace moclobemide from MAO-A allowing its metabolism and removing the risk of a hypertensive crisis that occurs with irreversible MAO inhibition.[86]

Read more: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21464326


LSD + Caapi = absurdly intense vision quest


*[Combo Subthread] 2C-B + MAOIs


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Edited by Kalendula (02/07/16 08:46 AM)

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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: impaired420]
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Would it be better with something else like shrooms? I've had them for a while ( couple months) and I'm dying to try it with something. I was thinking maybe try 1 hit of cid and some of rue or caapi, this week and see how much it potentiates, then try the 13 hits of acid next week with the rue/caapi, or just skip the rue/caapi and take 13 hits tomorrow night, but I've been wanting to experiment with them too


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
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Mike4aco said:
Would it be better with something else like shrooms?


No it would be better with LSD!! See 'absurdly intense vision quest' in my above post!


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Kalendula]
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That sounded interesting, buy he only took 55 mics and said it felt like 200 I've taken much more and I had planned on taking much more. Hmmm... What if I take 100 mics and the rue, then if it feels around the same ratio 200 mics would feel like 7-800 so I would save acid


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
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by the way, caapi's combination of harmine and tetrahydroharmine is stated to be better than rue's combination of harmine and harmaline. Some people even claim that harmaline is best avoided. See the following post for more details: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21718559#21718559

I want to plug a company that sells refined caapi extracts: http://sacredforest.ecrater.com/contact.php


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Kalendula]
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When I smoked Caapi leaf on LSD it was really nice, felt nice I guess it allows a bit extra dopamine to build, gave some vasodilation, added a "spiritual" vibe, and I got great open eye visuals.

I would freebase whatever you are gonna smoke, seeds or leaf.  I can do a "yopo tek" (mix 1/5th baking soda and a little water with crushed plant matter then dry) with Syrian rue seeds and it triples their strength when smoked.  I'm sure the same would be true of the Caapi leaf; but they both work "as is" to a fair extent also.


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2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: impaired420]
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impaired420 said:
Also rue is unpredictable, harmalas is alot more stable as an MAOi, but do not mix an maoi with LSD.



Have you ever worked with this  combination? That not right at all what you just said

OP the only way I trip is combining Syrian rue tea with LSD, the whole experience is terrifying and absolutely spell bounding at the same time, it can go from a hellish nightmare to a blissful soul warming clarity, the very nature of rue can be clearly felt on these trips, bringing out a darker edge accompanied by well taught lessons, now add to that synergy: neon colorful playful vibe of Acid and that makes one mind bending ride, an acid ayahuasca experience

The only discomfort I ever faced was the body load, i have been adding ginger to my rue tea and that really diminishes the effects,but yes there still does exist that gut wrenching twisted body load, I dont experience this with DMT but maybe its produced with Lysergics :shrug:,,but the more I have tripped on this combo I have come to actually enjoy the way my body feels, I do like it

I have a sweet spot for dosage and it took me a lot of tripping to figure out what really worked for me, but I do push the envelope every now and then with higher doses hehe

But yea if your combining Rue with Acid and if its your first time you should start really low, my very first trip on this combo was 3.5g + 1 hit and I lost my sanity that night, it took me a long time to heal, I would say i'm still healing

Good vibes OP start low while experimenting and be prepared for teleportation to other dimensiosns :heart:  :psychsplit:  :teleport:


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Edited by Elff (02/08/16 01:09 AM)

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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Elff] * 1
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Over a mg of LSD would not need anything to potentate it unless you have a very hard head or lots of tolerance. 500 mics L plus 3-5g of rue will have you tripping balls for over 12 hours. Rue is a special case MAOI, it only inhibits MAOI-A which is found mostly in the gut. The slower acting and more versatile MAOI-B in your bloodstream is not affected. MAOI-B grabs ahold of things like tyramine, tryptamine and other very simple NH2 ending monoamines. Serotonin syndrome will not happen unless you take stupid high doses like 10g+ or use with other drugs like MDMA or research chems. What i would do is take a heavier dose, 5-6g, of rue to use less LSD. Lucy is mighty rare up here, haven't met her in over a decade.


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Eywa_devotee]
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OP If you want to potentiate LSD then just eat more Acid, the very essence of a rue acid experience is incomparable


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Elff]
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I've been seeing a lot of trip reports combining rue and acid. So to the people that say it can't be done, there's proof. I think what I wanna do is start small and build up, cause if I can make 2 hits LSD feel like 1mg, I'd be eating 2 hits LSD for the rest of my life and potentiating with rue lol
@flickedbic can you give me more info on your yopo tek? I thought you were supposes to snort yopo, you do that with the rue/ baking soda combo? I was thinking maybe start smallish, about 0.25 grams of seed cut like you said, you say 3x intensity, that would make it almost a gram (feeling wise) so couple that with two hits of acid, and then I will report back. If all goes well I'll be doing it tomorrow, I just gotta see if I'm gonna buy 15 hits from my guy, or I have some people I've been giving some 4ho met and 2ci to that wanna give me a free 10 strip so maybe I'll try their acid. Is that gonna be a good starting point? 2 hits, 0.25 g rue seed with baking soda? And how do i do the rue? I'm pretty sure you said smoke, so I can just put the whole thing into my blunt with my weed?

@elff thanks for the vibes, I'm hoping I get to blast off to infinity and beyond, but be back in time for breakfast lol


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
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Why are you taking such a massive dose? Also a dog isn't a good trip sitter they can't call 9-1-1, talk you out of harming yourself, drive you to a hospital, or perform CPR.


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Rewindicus]
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1. My dog always trip sits me. Basically I don't need a trip sitter, I've been doing milligrams solo about once every month and a half, or once a month a few times, he was the best 1 mg sitter I've had (didn't influence my trip in any way went and followed me where I went, didn't smoke all my weed and let me pet him for a few hours, basically I was being facetious when I wrote that particular part. But from personal experience, I've found humans to be terrible sitters above 1 mg, with one exception. I love going into a dark room and sitting for 8 hours and watching the show and then for the last couple hours relaxing and trying to remember it.
2. You said it was a large dose. I said that too, right after I read a couple reports that gave multipliers ( earlier when doing solo research I hadn't found any report that said more than rue +LSD = intense) I readnone report that said 55 mics became 200 (200 is well BELOW my normal dosing) however 1235 mics x 4 = something I know I can't handle with my dog lol thanks for your input tho, I already figured it out.

I have stated a couple times that I'm thinking of 200 mics +1/2 gram rue or 1/4 gram rue in the yopo tek the guy described up here earlier. (Maybe 200+1/2 g was on a different site)
But right now the plan seems to be 200 mics + 1/4-1/2 gram rue, in the yopo tek.
Would that get me to "around" 800 mics?

I pretty much gotta babysit my dog as he's on pain meds and has a town ccl (canine version of the acl in your knee) so I was halfway joking saying he was gonna sit me, its the reverse really and he just stays sawing logs.

Or is 200 mics + rue a large dose? I'm confused slightly, I don't know what's a large dose to me, and whats large to you
(A guy I know is taking cid for the first time, asked how many to take. General consensus was 1-2. He said 3-4, and I "might start with 3 and add 2" for a newb to cid. He's experienced with shrooms tho


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
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You have to react the seed powder with the base, not just cut it.

Grind your seeds up, then add the base and just enough water to get it wet. Mix this around really well for 5-10 minutes before drying.  Goes nice over herb.

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I just gotta see if I'm gonna buy 15 hits from my guy, or I have some people I've been giving some 4ho met and 2ci to that wanna give me a free 10 strip so maybe I'll try their acid.



I would definitely use some test kits if the acid is from a new / unverified source, before doing any MAOI combination.



I don't think MAOI potentiates LSD in the extreme, but maybe as much as Piracetam; it's nice but not entirely earth-shattering.  However the combination Piracetam+Caapi and 3 Datura seeds chewed had the flowers dancing off the walls with just one hit of LSD in my
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strongest OEV to date:  I took regular Piracetam (2g?) before a hit and it seemed markedly intensified than others from the same sheet.  I had also chewed 3 Datura stramonium with it, and smoked a bowl of herb and a bowl of Caapi leaf during.

Afterwards clouds turned into flocks of birds and the flowers on the wallprint took on rotating petals before started to dance around each other in a beatific display.




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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.

Edited by flickedbic (02/08/16 08:25 AM)

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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: flickedbic]
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I can't get dartura. But this is interesting. I've read some conflicting things now, 1.5 grams rue + LSD was a 3-4x potentiator.
3.5 grams rue + LSD was a little enhancement but no more than 2x

So here's my plan, depending when I can get the acid.
1 gram rue, 1/3 gram baking soda, grind up make paste, adding a few drops of water to it so it pastes up and then mixing it into some sour diesel I have, we'll probably use 2 grams weed to the 1+ grams rue And roll 2 blunts. I have we passion flower extract, not a lot so I might put that in too (p. Flower works nicely with weed)
It should take about half hour to smoke both blunts, and then a little extra time (15 minutes) of trying to kill time before we eat the LSD.


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
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If you were eating it I would do it before dosing, but since you're smoking it I would smoke it just prior to the peak, or maybe on the plateau to test potentiation. 

Smoked MAOI enhances an ongoing trip; if you smoke it before eating the paper it may wear off by the peak and have little effect.


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.

Edited by flickedbic (02/08/16 09:34 AM)

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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
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There's a report on shroomery about this guy who took LSA + MAOi of sorts, and i forget which one but it ended very tragically.

I wouldn't suggest to anyone to take lsd + maoi, but i havent done an maoi myself.

If somebody was going to take it i would not suggest they take it with 13 hits though. that's for sure.

13 hits of like.... 13 hits...
that's WAY MORE than enough for a powerful experience. Wayyyyy more than enough.


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: moonzo]
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Haven't seen that one, would be an interesting read though.
Again flickedbic, thanks for the tip. Usually I like to jump in, but clearly if I did that in this situation, I'd waste some rue/caapi

And yeah someone earlier said to check that new source of acid, I will probably do that, or swap them some of my cid for theirs, and let them try mine first. I usually find that if someone tries my acid, mine is either laid stronger than what they are used to, or they say man you sure this is real? My other acid doesn't affect me like...
Cause your outer "acid" isn't acid lol
But yeah will have to test it, cause a free gift to me would suck if I ate the whole thing at once (which I normally cut a 10 strip in half) and od'd on something. My luck my last thought would be this tastes so familiar but not like acid! Hopefully theirs is good and there's no need for a fuss, but a new source is a new source. Good vibes felt from all you guys, good vibes sent back!

Oh and I've seen some people now posting that "rue+ 13 hits LSD = not OK, since I have changed my mind about the 13 hits + rue I will edit it!


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Re: Potentiating LSD with Syrian rue (or b. Caapi) [Re: Mike4aco]
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21690809

Check it.


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