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Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine?
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Caapi is 100% legal so I don't think this thread should be a problem, but if it is feel free to delete mods. I ordered some red caapi from a source I thought was legit but it ended up being bunk. I tried two separate extractions following the directions to a T and got nothing. The only one of our shroomery sponsors that sell it (who's not in another country) is like the only one without any reviews, does anybody know where I can find some that actually has alkaloids in it? I don't have much spare cash so I don't want to keep getting bunk stuff...anyway I appreciate any guidance, preferably from experience, thanks.

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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: HelloEvo]
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You can get it a lot of places on the net, but I would also try the marketplace. IME P.harmala has much more alks in it by weight.


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Edited by K1ngSp4de (05/24/15 02:16 PM)

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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
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They're readily available just about everywhere but 80% of the market is trash. There's one place I know of but they have minimum and I'm not looking to spend that much. I'm saving rue as a last resort but I'd much rather have caapi. I know natural ether, who is a sponsor, sells them but I haven't was anything about quality or any reviews on them.

Edited by HelloEvo (05/25/15 08:40 PM)

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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: HelloEvo]
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Did you try World Seed Supply? He has extracts and such also.

Baron in The Marketplace always gets me good A.confusa bark. I don't doubt his vine would be good too.


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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
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K1ngSp4de said:
Did you try World Seed Supply? He has extracts and such also.

Baron in The Marketplace always gets me good A.confusa bark. I don't doubt his vine would be good too.


Yeah I checked out world seed supply but their website is a disaster on mobile, and they only accept money order as well which I'd rather avoid. I'll check out baron's list right now, thanks.

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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: HelloEvo]
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Have you tried eternityinabox.com? They have nice, fresh bark. Haven't tried their caapi but it should be good.


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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: Kinshino]
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Kinshino said:
Have you tried eternityinabox.com? They have nice, fresh bark. Haven't tried their caapi but it should be good.


That's where I ordered my acrb from and got great results as well, but could've swore that I read their caapi wasn't very good from somewhere, I just can't find where I saw that though.

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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: HelloEvo]
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HelloEvo said:
Kinshino said:
Have you tried eternityinabox.com? They have nice, fresh bark. Haven't tried their caapi but it should be good.


That's where I ordered my acrb from and got great results as well, but could've swore that I read their caapi wasn't very good from somewhere, I just can't find where I saw that though.


Hm, really? I'm sorry. Hope you find a great vendor somewhere then. :smile:


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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: Kinshino] * 1
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Any particular reason you want to extract caapi ?

that shits expensive, just use rue seeds you might even be able to buy them locally

Theres this UK based vendor that sells all kinds of natural dyes, their bark works great and while i havent used the caapi yet its a thick piece and looks just fine

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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: thoraxx]
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thoraxx said:
Any particular reason you want to extract caapi ?

that shits expensive, just use rue seeds you might even be able to buy them locally

Theres this UK based vendor that sells all kinds of natural dyes, their bark works great and while i havent used the caapi yet its a thick piece and looks just fine


Caapi is definitely better than rue in that it is predominantly harmine and THH; and rue is harmine and harmaline. One person says harmaline is downright undesirable:

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Caapi contains Harmine and Tetrahydroharmine and as such feels MUCH smoother + cleaner + less disorienting then Rue which contains high amounts of Harmaline.

Harmaline is what you want to avoid. Caapi contains little to know Harmaline while Rue contains large amounts of harmaline.

CosmicLion  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12660421#12660421
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I do have an academic sources for these claims about the components of these plants, but I don't feel like posting it right now.


Some other poor reviews of Syrian rue:


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SWIM finds the experience from THH and DMT better than any other mix. Even the mix of THH, harmine, and harmaline, is not as good. It’s like caapi, which is good, and better than rue, but pure THH and DMT is better than either.
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69Ron https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=26286#post26286


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ayahuasca with rue feels alot more rough than with caapi.
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I think there are quite some differences between taking dmt with Syrian Rue and taking dmt with Banisteriopsis Caapi (=Ayahuasca)

The only time I had an effective dose of oral dmt was when I combined it with 5g of Syrian Rue and it produced an effect really much apart from what I read about ayahuasca. My visuals were almost all black and white (in some kind of like straight from a vampire movie). I had once before taken mushrooms with Syrian Rue which had brought me into a similar dark realm. I am pretty sure the vine (=ayahuasca, which is the name of the original maoi!) will produce a quite different effect.
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tryptonaut  http://www.psychonaut.com/ayahuasca-dmt/28295-would-prescription-maois-substitute.html#post412754


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i've used caapi and rue as an MAOI and chaliponga, chacruna and mimosa as  DMT sources.

caapi is far superior in my opinion. you can keep adding more vine and get a deeper experience (and a stronger purge)  whereas rue get really unpleasant if you take too much, with rue its a fine line between full MAOI inhibition and purging to early and having a dud experience.

your milage may vary but rue is less loving and guiding than the vine but its more easy going.....
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divinebovine  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20913390#20913390


However, I think that isolated harmine is the perfect middle ground between the expensive caapi and the incredibly cheap but inferior Syrian rue. Apparently a very pure extract of harmine can be yielded from Syrian rue: http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Harmalas_Extraction_and_Separation_Guide

My personal experience: comparing rue without DMT to isolated harmine, isolated harmine feels much nicer. Crude rue has more of an alcohol buzz to it.


And this is what THH adds to the harmine by the way:

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THH is another major alkaloid in B. caapi. I have also detected this alkaloid in the leaves of Calliandra pentandra, which are sometimes added to ayahuasca by the Shuar in Equador, where it is reported to enhance the visionary effects of this brew (Fericgla 1997). This is a bit surprising, as THH is not remarkably psychoactive on its own, even after MAO inhibition (unpublished results). THH, like other 1-methyl-tetrahydro-ß-carbolines, probably serves to further increase serotonin concentrations by weakly inhibiting serotonin’s reuptake into presynaptic neurons after MAO inhibition by harmine (Airaksinen et al. 1980). This effect is not trivial, as the reuptake mechanism and MAO metabolism are the primary processes that clear excess serotonin from the synaptic cleft.

Fericgla, J. M. 1997. Al Trasluz de la Ayahuasca: Coleccion Cogniciones, Estados Modificados de Consciencia. Barcelona: Los Libros de la Liebre de Marzo.

Airaksinen, M. M., H. Svensk, J. Tuomisto, and H. Komulainen. 1980. Tetrahydro ß-carbolines and corresponding tryptamines: In vivo inhibition of serotonin and dopamine uptake by human blood platelets. Acta Pharmacologia et Toxicologia 46:308–13.
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The Ayahuasca Experience: A Sourcebook on the Sacred Vine of Spirits. Ralph Metzner (editor). 2014. Chapter 3: Phytochemistry and Neuropharmacology of Ayahuasca. J. C. Callaway, Ph.D.


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I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: s240779]
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^^ all of this is exactly why I want caapi.

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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: HelloEvo]
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Yea i knew about THH and the different composition in caapi, i got myself a single piece of vine for when i want to try my first aya brew

Its just not too great to do an extraction on because of poor yield and high price, especially if youre having trouble with your extraction anyway
I used to think that the salt precip didnt work with THH, but apparently thats not really an issue

I wonder how the yield compares to isolated harmine from rue tho, that seems to be the best compromise

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Re: Does anybody know where I can get legit caapi vine? [Re: thoraxx]
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thoraxx said:
Yea i knew about THH and the different composition in caapi, i got myself a single piece of vine for when i want to try my first aya brew

Its just not too great to do an extraction on because of poor yield and high price, especially if youre having trouble with your extraction anyway
I used to think that the salt precip didnt work with THH, but apparently thats not really an issue

I wonder how the yield compares to isolated harmine from rue tho, that seems to be the best compromise


I just went to shop down the street and got half a pound of rue for a little over $5. I'm gonna extract the harmine (separated from harmaline) just so I can get my changa mix going, I'm still looking for caapi though, rue can be the back up. Here's what it looks like if anyone is curious:

 

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