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New Zealand mushroom identification
    #2273608 - 01/26/04 04:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

These were found hiding in my garden today, in the Waikato region. Growing in wood chips, under shrubs and near ponga garden edging.

Gills are light brown when fresh, dark brown when dried. Gills are detached from the stem.
Caps are 15-30mm slightly darker in center of brown colour. Darker brown when dried.
Stem is 30-70mm long, thin, mainly white and hollow.
Smell is similar to store bought edible mushrooms but stronger.

They bruise a browny grey colour. They are actually hard to bruise.

Any help with identification of these New Zealand mushrooms would be great!

See photos ->


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Edited by nOs (01/26/04 04:39 PM)


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: nOs]
    #2273614 - 01/26/04 04:25 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yikes id say a no go.

maybe the first pic.. But do handle or touch to much.


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: nOs]
    #2274158 - 01/26/04 10:58 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Caps are 15-30cm




Quote:

Stem is 30-70cm long




Those sound like some HUGE mushrooms. Did you mm, and not cm?

I am unsure on the identification, and do not have my books on hand, but, I would safely say that they are neither hallucinogenic or edible.

Very nice pictures though!


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: angryshroom]
    #2275019 - 01/26/04 05:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I did cock up the measurements! they were supposed to be in mm, changed now :smile: I've just done a spore print. Please reply if you have any further clues as to what this beasty is!

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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: nOs]
    #2275165 - 01/26/04 06:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Given the spore print color, habit (on wood chips), the presence of a partial veil, and the scaly caps (third photo), my first guess would be Pholiota.

None of the Pholiotas are active (that I'm aware of), although the genus Gymnopilus (which intergrades somewhat with Pholiota) has several active species. There are a few edible Pholiotas, and many of them cause severe indigestion.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: nOs]
    #2276211 - 01/27/04 12:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

and you say they didnt stain blue?


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: nOs]
    #2278740 - 01/27/04 08:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'm also in the waikato region, and none of those are any that i've seen growing round here. They generally grow between end of june-beginning of september. See Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe subaeruginosa which are the two species we generally find during the winter time(in bark mulch gardens, pine forests and kiwifruit orchards), I've never heard of active shroomies growing in the middile of summer around these parts, but maybe they do?(that'd be nice!)


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: DestruKtiKon]
    #2286296 - 01/30/04 05:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Does anyone know if active shrooms grow in NZ in the summer time?


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: DestruKtiKon]
    #2286477 - 01/30/04 09:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There are no P. cyanescens in Australia.

mj

The majority of those colelcted as P. cyanescens they are all usually P. subaeruginosa, P. tasmaniana.
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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: nOs]
    #2286562 - 01/30/04 10:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

they sorta remind me of hypholoma fasiculare


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2287573 - 01/30/04 06:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not in australia, i'm in new zealand, and we do get P. cyanescens here aswell as P. subaeruginosa and a few others in other regions where I don't live such as P. aucklandii.


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: DestruKtiKon]
    #2287712 - 01/30/04 07:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Pan cyanesens during the summer months in certain areas of the nth island, along the coast in taranaki higher rainfall areas in manure straw ,grassland.
the mushroom above could be growing near poplar trees?


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: winelover]
    #2287857 - 01/30/04 08:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'm in Hamilton, I've never seen Pan Cyanescen round here but I only go lookin in the winter. Its been raining for 2 days now(real heavy today) and quite humid, hmm, might be worth a look. :smile:


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: DestruKtiKon]
    #2288262 - 01/30/04 11:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hi, P. cyanescens is for psilocybe cyanescens.

Pn. subbalteatus or Pn. (for Panaeolus) however most consider it to be Copelandia cyanescens and not pan. Both Copelandia cyanescens and panaeolus cyanescens are considered the same species but they follow two different distinct taxonomic pathways according to Guzman, Singer and several others who have worked with them over the years.

Ewald Garhaart of Germany recently rewrote the Monograph on Panaeolus and is trying to rename them as Panaeolus. Eupopeans, who have few Copes intheir regions or psychoactive Panaeolus, usually refer to them as Panaeolus cyanescens while WEstern civilization and even Australian authorities and some in NZe4fer to them as Colepandia cyanescens.

I apologize for the confusion becasuee in your post you did not say whether they were Panaeolus otr Psilocybe.

have a shroomy day,

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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2289162 - 01/31/04 07:48 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

my friends hunt for libs back in Auckland.


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: Merkin]
    #2289209 - 01/31/04 08:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There are no Ps.cyanescens in New Zealand. They are a wavy-capped form of Ps.subaeruginosa. Ive examined quite a few specimens from NZ - and have Buchanan's 12 page study of Psilocybes in New Zealand which provides detailed info on the morphology of Psilocybes there.
He contends that subaeruginosa in its many varied forms is actually a representation of Ps.cyanescens as described previously, and they are very similar.
You will find that the NZ wavycap has brown streaks along its stem and inturned margins at the early stages of fruit formation - exactly as in Australia - which is where subaeruginosa in nz probably came from.
Semilanceata is found in nz in the south island at altitude/ aucklandii is associated with certain pine plnataions and forests near auckland (it is macroscopically very different from subaeruginosa/cyanescens. and there are a few recently described woodlovers from the south island that represent a different section of the Psilocybe genus again.
Although subaeruginosa may be a variation of cyanescens, taxonically, the NZ wavy cap is Ps.subaeruginosa - lageniform p.cystidia and the same spore size.


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2289217 - 01/31/04 08:57 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I would also like to point out that wavy caps are one of the many characteristics of the genus psilocybe.

Buit also other generas have wavy cap shrooms such as Hypholoma and Agrocybe.

I do have pictures opf P. cubensis and P. caerulescens with wavy caps when grown in vitro.

And then again, remember that so far there are moe than 115 species of psychoactive Psilocybe, and many of them have wavy turned up caps.

P. stuntzii and P. fimetaria also have upturned wavy caps.

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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2289542 - 01/31/04 02:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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they sorta remind me of hypholoma fasiculare




I'm quite familiar with that species (it's the most common mushroom in the places I h(a)unt :wink: ) and I can tell you that these are not fasciculare. Hypholoma fasciculare is quite easy to identify by its extremely bitter taste, light coloured yellow/greenish gills and overall appearance.


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: nOs]
    #2290974 - 02/01/04 03:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hey all, cheers for the replies. It seems there are a few conflicting ideas about my mushrooms. Has anyone ever heard of active mushrooms growing in summer???

The weather has been warm and wet lately. Have noticed loads of new mushrooms popping up!


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Re: New Zealand mushroom identification [Re: nOs]
    #2290986 - 02/01/04 03:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If they are fruiting in New Zealand during the warmer wet periods they would be Panaeolus cyanescens.


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