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Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ?
    #1545992 - 05/13/03 07:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I've only ever seen a couple of pics, anyone got better photo's of gills, stem etc? Anyone in N.Z want to try taking some shots next time they score some?
Cheers in advance
Jim


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Reverend_Jim_Jones]
    #1546275 - 05/13/03 09:10 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

MJ probably has some stuff on them :wink:


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: angryshroom]
    #1546487 - 05/13/03 10:30 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

MJ has stuff on Everything!!! well, it Seems that way at least!!  :cool: 


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: cube421]
    #1547212 - 05/14/03 03:16 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

is this the one that is only commonly seen in riverhead forest??

ive got a mate who has some ideas up that way......



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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: atoning_unifex]
    #1547228 - 05/14/03 03:25 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i have just been hunting for the first time in Auckland and was lead directly to them...
it was really quite spooky
i dont yet know how to post my pics here but i am working on that right now
you can see my pics at
http://forums.spiritplants.com/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=9530&s=3097776bb0a27942715e7ae0d6bd8724

the brown ones are confirmed to be aucklandii and if you live in auckland i have very good news...the city council has the mycellia all through its wood chip mulch and these shrooms are becoming very common but they are not the same as those in the riverhead forest
If you look at my post you will see that i believe i have there 2 species of subaeruganosa growing gregariously but i have yet to ID the other ones...which is why i'm here at the shroomery...to get some expertise...


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Cass]
    #1547299 - 05/14/03 04:19 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)


there are some growing down in wellington, on woodchips all over the harbor waterfront


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Cass]
    #1547340 - 05/14/03 04:56 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Last year a friend went hunting and put some aside for me, the caps were exactly the same as the ones you have. I was told they were blue meanies, but they're way more similar to the pics there, and were growing on mulch around the city.


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Sheepish]
    #1547397 - 05/14/03 06:01 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i still don't have the pic posting sorted...it has been an exciting time here and i am off to more city parks tomorrow
<a href="https://files.shroomery.org/files/042903-22/78027-bluingshrooms.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="/forums/thumbs/042903-22/78027-thumb_bluingshrooms.jpg"></a>


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Cass]
    #1547425 - 05/14/03 06:36 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hi Cassie,

Those are all P. aucklandii. The only difference is the color is variable and can be several different shades of light tan/brownish/beige to a caramel color or redish brown. Shrooms when drying, in the genera Psilocybe are hygrophanous meaning they change color when drying, usually to a straw yellow/'copper brown or so.

I would recommend not pulling them from the ground but use a scissor to cut the stem so as not to damage the mycelium, although stepping opn the ground and crawling on ones hands and knees can affect the growth and make mutated or distorted shaped shrooms.

btw, a very nice collection if I may say so.

Good luck and have a shroomy day and thanks for sharing,

mj


Edited by mjshroomer (05/14/03 09:28 AM)


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1547437 - 05/14/03 06:55 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

oooh, thanks mj...that's great news and good advice
wish i could get the pic posts working...will get on it


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Cass]
    #1547627 - 05/14/03 10:16 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)



Voila.


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Cass]
    #1547932 - 05/14/03 01:04 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

They look like azures.

Did you take any prints?


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Anno]
    #1548159 - 05/14/03 02:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hi ANno, here are some baby P. cyanescens which can also resemnble P. azurescens.

Macroscopically they are the ame almost but i can tell differences in t hem.



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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1549405 - 05/14/03 11:21 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks sheepish (how'd you do that?)- that's what they looked like when i arrived at the patch, some animal had walked through them.
I am trying to get prints Anno, but am a total newbie and used immature caps for my first shot at it. :blush:
hey mj...i still have concerns over the paler variety i found.  Someone mentioned there is a deadly look-alike which grows gregariously with p.aucklandii and my worry is that these other ones have such a different bluing reaction, seeming to take many hours to blue where bruised than the browner ones which blue hard almost immediately. The pale ones dont have such a pronounced nipple on the top of the cap but both are otherwise identical and indistinguishable when drier.  I am very keen to get prints from both as another indicator, however and will post more info as i get it.

Hey Aucklanders!
Reports are coming in from many city parks that the woodchip mulch is, indeed, laden with this mycellia.  A foaf tells of last years harvest which was so abundant they were still eating frozen treats 10months later.
God Defend NZ, God Bless The Queen, God Save Amerika and God help the rest...
(colloquialism alert?)


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Cass]
    #1549533 - 05/15/03 12:19 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Cass not all psilocybes stain blue right away or maybe not at all.

All of the shrooms in thyose images are all the same. The only deadly blue staining mushrooms are Boleus Satanicus and a few variations. You should not have to worry about them since they are very large meaty shrooms and have a porus bottom instead of gills.

There are no blue staining look-a-likes for those mushrooms you found.

If they are in an area where no one else knows they are, then let them grow a few days until they are larger.

Sporemaking is posted in my field guide for picking shrooms at my site at:

http://www.mushroomjohn.com/species.html

Have a shroomy day,

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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1549730 - 05/15/03 01:47 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Wicked.. just what I was looking for, Thanks alot guys.


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Cass]
    #1557499 - 05/18/03 11:16 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Those mushrooms are all Ps.Subaeruginosa. They look nothing like Aucklandii and Im surprised MJ is boldly identifying them from photos when i doubt that he has ever seen them in the wild.
The inrolled cap margins, landscape garden mulch substrate, white stem flesh, stocky stature and ascending gills, gill colouration, gregarious fruiting and bluestaining along the margins are all classic characteristics of Subaeruginosa. I bet if you broke the stems they would be hollow and brownish fleshed. And under a microscope - lageniform hyaline pluerocystidia with 9-14 by 6-8 spores.
I know someone who has personally collected this mushroom and it looks nothing like Ps.Subaeruginosa.
Aucklandii is a large psilocybe characterised by dark to yellow brown cap that is broadly conic and without veil remnants. Cap is often found with holes and splitting with age and has greenish blotches.
The gills are greyish brown and adnate (they do not ascend or rise towards the stem and maturity which your mushrooms clearly do)
The stem is long and thin and gnarled of a similar colour to the gills and is usually an yellowish to grey colour with white flesh when broken (the opposite of Subaeruginosa with its white stem and brown flesh)
The stem is not hollow.
Blue staining is limited to the base of the stem and surface of the cap, and due to the colouration of the stem it often appears greeny blue, rather than classic psilocybe blue.
But the most important point is that this mushroom has only been recorded from select pine plantations, and beneath Leptospermum and Dacrydium trees. To date it hasnt capitalised on the landscape garden mulches loved by Subaeruginosa.
Guzman noted in 1991 that Aucklandii was very similar to Ps.Zapotecorum microscopically and of smaller stature, but similar macroscopically as well.
Buchanan has collected Aucklandii at Woodhill State Forest, Waitakere Ranges, Atkinson Park, Piha Valley and Hunua Ranges.


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Cass]
    #1557502 - 05/18/03 11:18 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry to be a pain, but there is only on variety of Subaeruginosa but it comes in many forms.
Aucklandii does not resemble Ps.Azurescens, but as Azurescens and Subaeruginosa are both related as part of the Cyanescens family of psilocybes they DO look very similar.


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1559116 - 05/19/03 01:52 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

nice one bm... i was sittin here tryin to work out why mj would jump stright to aucklandii without even considering subaeruginosa.. :confused:. especially with the quality of the pix and immature state of most shrooms 


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Re: Anyone got good pics of Ps. Aucklandii ? [Re: ferret]
    #1559259 - 05/19/03 03:26 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

looks like the challenge is still out there then, anyone like to front up with some Aucklandii pics, especially showing those features that bluemeanie has kindly offered i.e stem, gills etc. Thanks all,
J.J


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