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Are humans naturally sociopaths?
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It would make a lot of sense from what I've seen. Basically everyone is a sociopath but is conditioned from birth by society not to be and that gets deeply ingrained in a lot of people while failing to work on the other people we deem as sociopaths.

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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: luvdemboomers]
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hmm, I don't think so.

I thought a sociopath was not capable of empathy, that was like one of the defining things of being a sociopath, I know plenty of folks who are capable to showing empathy to their fellow man and don't always put their needs first.


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: luvdemboomers]
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luvdemboomers said:
It would make a lot of sense from what I've seen. Basically everyone is a sociopath but is conditioned from birth by society not to be and that gets deeply ingrained in a lot of people while failing to work on the other people we deem as sociopaths.


You're projecting your own sociopath assumptions onto everyone else. Thank you for identifying yourself as a sociopath, though.


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: propensity]
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anyone devoid of outside influence will essentially be a sociopath, because they have no concept of morality, empthy or society

at least thats my uninformed opinion.

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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: Adolin]
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Yes, if I didn't have to follow any rules I would be raping women unapologetically. However, that would land me in jail, so I need to supress my urge.

But I'm hot, so it's okay.


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: propensity]
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propensity said:
luvdemboomers said:
It would make a lot of sense from what I've seen. Basically everyone is a sociopath but is conditioned from birth by society not to be and that gets deeply ingrained in a lot of people while failing to work on the other people we deem as sociopaths.


You're projecting your own sociopath assumptions onto everyone else. Thank you for identifying yourself as a sociopath, though.



Actually, I am far from a sociopath. I interact and deal with them on a daily basis so I may be projecting this idea on them as I am looking for an explanation as to the sheer number of people that exhibit this behavior. It seems like many more people exhibit sociopathic behavior than a dna glitch would explain.

Thanks for incorrectly psychoanalyzing me, though.

Gresh said:
anyone devoid of outside influence will essentially be a sociopath, because they have no concept of morality, empthy or society

at least thats my uninformed opinion.


yeah that's kind of what I'm going at

sociopaths are the people that influence/conditioning doesn't work on

Edited by luvdemboomers (10/20/15 10:57 PM)

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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: luvdemboomers]
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what is it you do that makes you have to deal with sociopaths on a daily basis? do you work on Wall St or something?

Edited by Adolin (10/20/15 10:55 PM)

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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: Adolin]
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What if you feel sympathy for innocent people. But want to see and be the hand that makes certain people who have wronged others suffer. Physically. Is this still a sociopath?


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: luvdemboomers]
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Lol I just finished watching clockwork orange and had the same thoughts. That movie explains it well.


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: Adolin]
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Gresh said:
what is it you do that makes you have to deal with sociopaths on a daily basis? do you work on Wall St or something?


Not gonna go there, I don't feel like putting the effort at the moment into the shit storm of a thread this would turn into if I do.

pm me if you want

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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said:
But want to see and be the hand that makes certain people who have wronged others suffer.


So you're a psycho?

What if the ones you want to correct have changed?


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
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luvdemboomers said:
It would make a lot of sense from what I've seen. Basically everyone is a sociopath but is conditioned from birth by society not to be and that gets deeply ingrained in a lot of people while failing to work on the other people we deem as sociopaths.


quite the contrary my good sir. we are born creatures of god, full of love and sympathy, but somewhere along the line we are corrupted by the societies we are born into.


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
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yes, absolutely. we only develop our sense of self and other through social indoctrination.

look at the vikings. look at every civilization that practiced slavery. they were living with a belief that said that certain humans are not of equal value as themselves and therefore treated others as such.

beliefs are built on arbitrary conceptions of morality and without an appropriate "belief structure", humans will behave in ways that benefit only themselves.

do we need religion to keep people from being sociopaths? only if they have nothing else to believe in..

why bother doing something for the good of someone else?
only if it makes us feel good in some way

why would it make us feel good in some way?
because we believe for some reason that it should..

this is an example of a "moral belief structure"

it can be based on anything. religion... the reasoning that we all come from starstuff.. the fact that we all have the same genetic heritage and ancestry, some spiritual nonsense... anything. but it has to be based on something.

otherwise, we are just living for the organism we are supporting by default (ourself)


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: Lucis]
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Fennario said:
Mescalean said:
But want to see and be the hand that makes certain people who have wronged others suffer.


So you're a psycho?

What if the ones you want to correct have changed?


Maybe. Possibly. I do see a lot of the "use your words" kind of talk on these boards as soft. Some people are so disrespectful they won't listen until things get physical then they cry about it with the "why did this happen to me". If I got bit by a snake you'd probably ask why what did I do. Was I fucking with it?

Firm believer in an eye for an eye, some cases "karma" should come back 3 fold...


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said:
Firm believer in an eye for an eye, some cases "karma" should come back 3 fold...



If you know someone who was harmed, and you try to take matters into your own hands to correct things, that is not karma but vengeance and you will only cause negativity to come back to you threefold.


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: Lucis]
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I put karma in quotations for a reason. Personally I don't know if I believe in it. There are shitty people who never have a bad thing happen to them. There are good people who do right but never have right done by them... Idk about karma man.

Say you have a sister and someone rapes her.

Do you not want to get a hold of him and make him feel more pain than he knew was possible?


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: Mescalean]
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Yeah, I can understand why you wouldn't believe in karma, but I for one kinda do. 



I was a drug addict for so long, was around a lot of fucked up situations, and have felt like since about 2009 I have been experiencing karmic lessons in my life.  It's funny because the lessons are sometimes harsh, but never to harsh that I can't handle them, like whatever is up there (god?) knows in my heart I was a good person who got caught up, and knows the grief I experienced from being around dope so long and doing some questionable things.  Every time a lesson would be taught to me by life, I knew it, I would tell myself how much I fucked up in the past, and that I made my bed so now I better not bitch about having to lay in it type thing, which allowed me to work through some negative things in my being.  It was like karma knew that I had invested a great deal into being kind to others for years before getting stung out, that I was slowly brought back to a point where I was able to leave childish thinking behind and keep moving forward, does that make sense?

I just don't want to sound like one of those folks thats like "I got caught up" when it was my fucking choice to continue to be a dumb ass, hope I made that clear.

I know I have learned my lesson with wrongs I have done, and I have seen those harsh lessons fade away to find myself reaching a point where I am actually happy with all I have.  I don't have much, but am happy about who I am, and having humbled myself to learn from my mistakes, and have grown up a lot since getting clean.

just my experience with karma.


In regards to someone raping someone, that is rough, if someone ever did something like that to a loved one I would be upset and might react in a way I would later regret.


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Re: Are humans naturally sociopaths? [Re: Lucis]
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I too can relate with addiction, and is partially one of the reasons I don't believe in karma. Seen and been in fucked up situations man. Kinda hard not to see the world as some randomized series of events that you have to try and control to make it in one piece.

"In regards to someone raping someone, that is rough, if someone ever did something like that to a loved one I would be upset and might react in a way I would later regret."

And this is what interests me about the subject too because you seem like a rather peaceful chill dude. You'd act without thinking. Instinct. It's a natural reaction. Vengeful bloodlust. It's crazy to see animalistic tendencies in people because we like to think of ourselves as so "evolved". Yeah we are smart. But we still carry all those hormones and triggers our ancestors did.


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