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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: MajickMuffin]
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MajickMuffin said:
To OP:

Uhm...no shit...The Vikings landed in Maine region and couldn't even finish building their 'establishment', which was their goal.

The Natives attacked them again and again until they didnt have enough people to support an establishment, so they ditched for home, and yea probably took a Native with them.
The leader of this 'Establishment' adventure was; Leif Erikson, son of Erik the Red.
:astonishedmustache:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyd%C3%ADs_Eir%C3%ADksd%C3%B3ttir


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: MajickMuffin]
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I mean Idk what kinda boats did the japs have back then? Also "The fishermen then returned her and her vessel to the sea, where it drifted away."
:lolsy:

Edited by CHeifM4sterDiezL (09/17/15 10:32 AM)

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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There are a few Native American stories of Pale men with skin thick enough to protect from arrows. The story was that they were killing and pillaging village after village, so the tribe sent warriors to try and stop them. Only few of the warriors survived and the ground was said to be slick like a river from the blood of the natives.

The village went into hiding for 2-3 generations, only coming out at night. Until they devised a way to kill them men without actually fighting them. Then the invaders left because people started randomly dieing.

That story is from the Choctaw, and there are a few other stories in the area. But you gotta realize, that this was WAYYY off from where the vikings would have originally landed. Way down in the Mississippi area.

Just my 2 cents.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Achillita]
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there are also stories of giants that were taller than 3 men


which 3 men?


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
(They found cocaine and niccotine in Egyptian mummies as well, though that scientist has taken a lot of shit for her findings...)



no they didnt. some german researchers made the claim, it was shot down pretty
quickly and once more, it's just another false claim that people love to spread


Its up for debate.

(Everything below sourced from :  http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Curse%20of%20the%20Cocaine%20Mummies.html

The discovery of tobacco fragments in the mummified body of RamsesII should havehad a profound influence upon our whole understanding of the relationship between ancient Egypt and America but this piece of evidence was simply ignored. Then, sixteen years later, again quite by accident, more evidence emerged. In 1992, toxicologist,Dr. SvetlaBalabanova of the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Ulm (Germany) tested the ancient Egyptian mummified remains of Henut-Tawy, Lady of the Two Lands. The results came as a "shock" to this scientist who regularly used the identical testing methods to convict people of drug consumption. She had not expected to find nicotine and cocaine in an ancient Egyptian mummy. She repeated the tests and sent out fresh samples to three other labs. When the results came back positive she published a paper with two other scientists. (Balabanova, S., F. Parsche and W. Pirsig, "First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies", Naturwissenschaften 79, 358 (1992) Springer-Verlag 1992.)

If Balabanova was surprised by the results of her tests she was even more surprised at the vitriolic response to her publication. She received a flood of letters threatening, insulting and accusing her of fraud. When she reminded her criticsthatshewas simply applying the very same techniques that she had used for years in police work where her results were considered "proof positive" her criticsdidn’t seem to care. She was condemned as a "fraud."

Dr. Rosalie David, Keeper of Egyptology, Manchester Museum took up the challenge of investigating the "cocaine mummies" which she thought "seemed quite impossible." She began by sending tissue and hair samples from her museum out to labs. She was working on the dual assumption that one of two things are true: 1. Balabanova’s tests were compromised; or 2. The mummy was not truly ancient" (i.e. it was fake). Dr. David flew to Munich to review the techniques and excavation recordsto seeifthebody, which had originally beenpurchased by King Ludwig I of Bavaria was genuine or not.

Dr. Alfred Grimm, the Curator of The Egyptian Museum in Munich said that "the Munich mummies are real Egyptian mummies. No fakes. No modern mummies. They came from ancient Egypt." After spending days pouring over the docum-entation associated with the "cocaine mummy" Dr. David relented saying: "it seems evident that they are probably genuine…"




-E. Borodin

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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:lol: The story actually said they were pale giants. It wasn't 3 foot taller, but they were definitely Taller and bulkier than what was average there.

The word was Na Hullo, which actually was used to describe European immigrants when they started arriving.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
there are also stories of giants that were taller than 3 men


which 3 men?


Asian Men

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Prisoner#1 said:
Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
(They found cocaine and niccotine in Egyptian mummies as well, though that scientist has taken a lot of shit for her findings...)



no they didnt. some german researchers made the claim, it was shot down pretty
quickly and once more, it's just another false claim that people love to spread


Its up for debate.



no, it's not actually. there's no evidence supporting it, just the claims of some
german researchers and a few of their believers that are trying desperately to
claim it's a reality

your link shows how fake these claims really are


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Graham Hancock tho


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said:
Graham Hancock tho



martians landed at plymoth rock

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT ALIENS WERE NOT AT THE FIRST THANKSGIVING


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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So how do you feel the tests were not accurate?

My last post detailed the situation, Dr. Svetla Balabanova preformed the initial tests, then

" She repeated the tests and sent out fresh samples to three other labs. When the results came back positive she published a paper with two other scientists. (Balabanova, S., F. Parsche and W. Pirsig, "First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies", Naturwissenschaften 79, 358 (1992) Springer-Verlag 1992.)"

Then Dr. Rosalie David investigated and found the same results.

Dr. Rosalie David, Keeper of Egyptology, Manchester Museum took up the challenge of investigating the "cocaine mummies" which she thought "seemed quite impossible." She began by sending tissue and hair samples from her museum out to labs. She was working on the dual assumption that one of two things are true: 1. Balabanova’s tests were compromised; or 2. The mummy was not truly ancient" (i.e. it was fake). Dr. David flew to Munich to review the techniques and excavation recordsto seeifthebody, which had originally beenpurchased by King Ludwig I of Bavaria was genuine or not.

Dr. Alfred Grimm, the Curator of The Egyptian Museum in Munich said that "the Munich mummies are real Egyptian mummies. No fakes. No modern mummies. They came from ancient Egypt." After spending days pouring over the docum-entation associated with the "cocaine mummy" Dr. David relented saying: "it seems evident that they are probably genuine…"

When she returned to Manchestershe discovered that her own Museum’s mummies had traces of tobacco. Dr. David said: "I’m really very surprised at this."

Dr. Balabanova’s work had been validated by the test results from Manchester but she was now hooked on the problem and began collecting samples of naturally preserved bodies housed in museums all around Europe. She obtained 134 separate bodies taken from ancient Sudan dating to a time long before Columbus or the Vikings. Onethird of these bodies contained both nicotine and cocaine.
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Curse%20of%20the%20Cocaine%20Mummies.html

This is why I say its up for debate.

the evidence is the mummies and all the different test results , where is the evidence that she was wrong?

I'm not saying I know one way or the other, I don't know enough to make that assertion, but looking at the evidence I would have to.say its a strong possibility.

-E. Borodin

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
nicechrisman said:
Graham Hancock tho



martians landed at plymoth rock

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT ALIENS WERE NOT AT THE FIRST THANKSGIVING


:ancientaliens:


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
So how do you feel the tests were not accurate?



what fucking tests, you provided a link to a nutter site that doesnt provide any actual test results


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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You can look up every person and test mentioned if you choose, but I put a link to wikipedia, which is a reliable source for accurate information, below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact_theories

If you scroll down to "transoceanic travel originating from the new world" then scroll down to "claims of Egyptian coca and tobbaco"  ...its all there, all the same references and people.

The debate was never over if Dr. Svetla Balabanova or  Dr. Rosalie David, or  Dr. Alfred Grimm actually did the tests, we know that several people have performed several tests, and we have confirmation that the mummies were real, now with Antibody testing (e.g. radio immunoassay) which is a well-established procedure, there can be false positives, but do you think it would really occur on every individual test?

Like I said I cant say one way or the other, but the evidence suggests this was the case. I will not commit to a side one way or the other when the evidence is suggesting that either could be the case, but I acknowledge the possibilities and keep.an open mind until.some more concrete evidence arrives.

Where is the evidence that she performed the tests improperly?

-E. Borodin

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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oh, so they're theories... nothing proven and documented such as the vikings
just some crazy claims by people that want their 15 minutes of fame


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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Yes I have since read that the inland rune stones were generally discredited, but at least they made it to North America.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Where is the evidence that she performed the tests improperly?

-E. Borodin




I see no evidence that she even preformed a test until I see the test results

what had her drawing conclusions that she found tobacco?


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
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I think if Egyptians had traveled across the GD Atlantic Ocean we'd have more proof than just one mummy's hair, as analysed by one scientist, and never reproduced...

Edited by SoupSandwich (09/17/15 11:41 AM)

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
oh, so they're theories... nothing proven and documented such as the vikings
just some crazy claims by people that want their 15 minutes of fame


No, not theories, real tests. And ot was over 5 scientists, one initially, two more working with her and two independent scientists all preforming their own tests, I published thecname of the paper where you can see results

“In the study, samples were taken from nine mummies that were dated from between 1070 B.C. to 395 A.D. The samples including hair, skin and muscle were taken from the head and abdomen. Bone tissue was also taken from the skull. All tissues were pulverized and dissolved in NaCl solution, homogenized, and centrifuged. A portion of the supernatant was extracted with chloroform and dried and then dissolved in a phosphate buffer. Samples were then measured by both radioimmunoassay (Merck; Biermann) and gas chromatography /mass spectrometry (Hewlett Packard) - hereinafter GCMS. “
http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/mummy.htm

The actual test results were published in in this paper:
(Balabanova, S., F. Parsche and W. Pirsig, "First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies", Naturwissenschaften 79, 358 (1992) Springer-Verlag 1992.)

That's where you van find the actual test results, and Dr. Rosalie David published as well...


-E. Borodin

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
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Isn't it pretty much common knowledge that Machu Picchu and the Great Pyramids are linked by underground tunnels?

And why no mention of Atlantis? I smell a coverup.


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Edited by nicechrisman (09/17/15 11:32 AM)

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