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So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus.
    #22249441 - 09/17/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://news.discovery.com/history/us-history/vikings-native-american-woman.htm

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- DNA analysis reveals that four families in Iceland possess genes typically found in Native Americans or East Asians.

- Genealogical evidence revealed that these families shared a distant ancestor from the same region.

- The Vikings may have brought back a Native American woman with them after they arrived in the New World.

The first Native American to arrive in Europe may have been a woman brought to Iceland by the Vikings more than 1,000 years ago, a study by Spanish and Icelandic researchers suggests.




I wonder, and I know this a fucking HOOGE stretch but, wondering if the Solutrean hypothesis might be found, one day, to carry some water?


What do you guys and gals think of this? Anything? Four families isn't much, unless those four are, like, 100 people thick...


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #22249457 - 09/17/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I had to check the date of the article because I was certain that this was brought up years ago.

I don't really doubt it. The vikings were sailors, they built their conquest on boats. They were driven by glory and riches so it's not really surprising a few "crazy ones" would get the idea to sail to completely unknown lands in search of it.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22249459 - 09/17/15 03:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Whoops, I didnt even check if it'd been posted before. :confused::blush::frown:

I thought it was kinda cool. Actually read about it in David Mitchell's 'Bone Clocks' a reaaaally good book.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #22249470 - 09/17/15 04:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know if it's been posted here before (didn't look) I just remember reading about it years ago. I was confused and thought some article was claiming this to be a new theory.

I honestly find the prospect of them making it here to be far more profound than Columbus doing it. They didn't have huge ships, nor some of the more "modern" instruments available to them. Columbus did it with bit of testicular fortitude and sea faring vessels far more suited to the task. They did it in what we'd basically classify as "rafts" or "dinghy" and powered it by balls alone.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22249475 - 09/17/15 04:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What amazes me is that China didnt get here. Their boats were insainly better then the European ones.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22249496 - 09/17/15 04:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Asante]
    #22249507 - 09/17/15 04:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are alot of 'prehistorical' ideas about the sea being crossed way before what we know as history started. It would not be a surprise. In fact, it would be more so if they hadn't


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #22249513 - 09/17/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty sure there are pre-Colombian Viking archeological sites in Eastern Canada.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22249514 - 09/17/15 04:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Africa had Great Civilizations millennia before Europe (most famously the Egyptians) and the current of the oceans on the west coast goes straight to the Americas.

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #22249523 - 09/17/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They had one great (non-black) civilization, a few lame kingdoms. It is a wasted continent.


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    #22249527 - 09/17/15 04:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your education was wasted.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Asante]
    #22249534 - 09/17/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In pre-columbia  times, the largest civilizations were in Central and South America. The day Columbus "discovered" the Americas, the largest city in the world was in Mesico.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Asante]
    #22249536 - 09/17/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Tney were overthrown by what we would consider 'black people', and if you look at civilization, the whole continent is terrible. Blame Colonialism or  say how big the place is, whatever. It still looks terrible


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Asante]
    #22249544 - 09/17/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I thought it as was pretty well established that that the Vikings got here way before Columbus, and made it at least as far as Minnesota where the rune stones were found. (hence the NFL team the Minnesota Vikings, not that it proves anything in itself.) The Viking civilization did not last, whether they all died or some returned home, which is why the Vikings and probably others aren't given the recognition of Columbus. But I thought the finding of Viking Rune stones in Minnesota was considered a historical fact.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #22249549 - 09/17/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Africans came to America again and again since 1290 BC





LOL yeah and I shit rainbows

I heard they could also fly before the white man took over and took that power from them


This is a modern african aircraft, do you really think they were sailing around the world 800 years ago?



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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #22249554 - 09/17/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought it as was pretty well established that that the Vikings got here way before Columbus



Yes, I thought so too. Archaeological evidence has been found in Newfoundland. That they may have brought people back from the Americas to Iceland is new to me however, but it sounds plausible.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: koraks]
    #22249559 - 09/17/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Viking civilization didnt last? Last I heard Iceland and Scandinavia were doing really well. What did you mean by that? I'm just curious, not miffed, btw.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #22249560 - 09/17/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think he meant they didn't last in America, which is my understanding as well.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: koraks]
    #22249562 - 09/17/15 05:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, yeah, that totally makes sense now. :facepalm:


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #22249568 - 09/17/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Viking civilization didnt last? Last I heard Iceland and Scandinavia were doing really well. What did you mean by that? I'm just curious, not miffed, btw.



Im pretty sure they arent the same completely, as vikings didnt really write and stuff


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22249576 - 09/17/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Untrue. As I'm sure you know.

They're actually credited with the first modern novel.


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    #22249587 - 09/17/15 05:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Africans came to America again and again since 1290 BC





LOL yeah and I shit rainbows

I heard they could also fly before the white man took over and took that power from them


This is a modern african aircraft, do you really think they were sailing around the world 800 years ago?







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    #22249599 - 09/17/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #22249673 - 09/17/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i cant find it now, but some really old maps found in china suggests that they may have actually circumnavigated the globe before europeans found the new world


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    #22249687 - 09/17/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i cant find it now, but some really old maps found in china suggests that they may have actually circumnavigated the globe before europeans found the new world





This is a modern Chinese ship:




Do you think they could ever sail around the world


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    #22249700 - 09/17/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like a fucking hovercraft compared to anything Africa has. heh. :lol:


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #22249819 - 09/17/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My distant ancestors(Nestruds) came to America before Columbus. People may not believe me but my ancestry can be traced back to one of the 4 families who came here. My direct ancestors stayed in Norway until the 1800's before they moved here too and my great grandmother's maiden name was Nestrud.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #22249843 - 09/17/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought it as was pretty well established that that the Vikings got here way before Columbus, and made it at least as far as Minnesota where the rune stones were found. (hence the NFL team the Minnesota Vikings, not that it proves anything in itself.) The Viking civilization did not last, whether they all died or some returned home, which is why the Vikings and probably others aren't given the recognition of Columbus. But I thought the finding of Viking Rune stones in Minnesota was considered a historical fact.



Those runes are all proven bullshit hoaxes or done by extremely early Scandinavian immigrants . The only really pluasele one was the one on nomans land island in massacussets and the guy who discovered it straight up said he had some dewd carve it on his deathed or something. It like a proven fact leif erikson and several other viking parties reached america and colonized it. I makes sense they would take women and other slaves back. Wiether they made it past newfoundland is a subect for debate and conspiracy theorist.


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    #22249848 - 09/17/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just love imagining that 1st meeting between the Vikings and Native Americans....and wondering what circumstances led to a slave being taken, because as we alll know, only White people keep slaves and colonize other people's countries. So, I wonder if the Natives were like, 'WTF was that??, sheesh! Welp, thank God they're gone for good!"


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #22249852 - 09/17/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I thought this was pretty much common knowledge. There's also a lot of info that points towards there being trade between Asia and South American.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22249862 - 09/17/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I can't imagine the hardships that travelers and explorers underwent when they investigated new roads.  It's hard for me to walk in some parts of the woods where there is no path.  No roads, no bridges, no maps, incredibly thick vegetation, rivers, mountains. Man those where some hard mother fucker if you stop and actually think about what they did.  And I have my even gone into sailing which is possibly worse.  Just people dieing left and right.  Dieing from the common cold.  Had to be rough.

I think alot of people don't think about how damn hard it is to have done that.  After getting through the Appalachian then walking the great planes, they come across the damn rocky mountains.  I know this is off topic and when Lewis and Clark did it they had a small percentage of the country already civilized, but still that's nuts what's they had to do.

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22249873 - 09/17/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The Japanese may have made it to south america, valdevian pottery is near identicle to Japanese jamon pottery, plus I think they found old world viruses in pre-columbian  valdevian mummies, and the people share physical traits with the Japanese....

I think its possible....

People have been stuck at sea with nothing for up to 10 months and survived, surviving off of little more that rainwater and caught sea animals...I'm sure a culture who was actually trying to get across the ocean could have...

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    #22249875 - 09/17/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well they were one of histories greatest naval infantries so yeh they were prob tough


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    #22249883 - 09/17/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think its more possible for people to have jumped from polenisia cross to say easter island and then on to south america. I also think ancient egyptians n people might have made it across Japanese pottery could have easly jus floated over like much of thier junk does today.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #22249889 - 09/17/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not gonna say ancient aliens were involved but :ancientaliens:


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    #22249893 - 09/17/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The vikings should have had no problems...

I wonder how many times a single lost ship has washed up on the shores of the opposite world? With the ship being lost its home country would assume they were dead, so history would never be able to.record these possible contacts with the opposite world 

Maybe that's what the Japanese  "utsuro bune " story was detailing...who knows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utsuro-bune

Were the pre-columbian viking settlements in Canada not confirmed? I was under the impression that it was known vikings had settlements on candas east coast, but I could be wrong...

(They found cocaine and niccotine in Egyptian mummies as well, though that scientist has taken a lot of shit for her findings...)


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    #22249904 - 09/17/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

With the valdevian (south American) and jamon pottery there were many many examples, not just some pieces floating across the sea, the people it seems were taught to make their pottery this way.



Plus there were old world viruses in pre-columbian valdevian mummies...and the valdevian people look Japanese...I wonder if DNA testing was ever performed...


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Asante] * 3
    #22249911 - 09/17/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Africans came to America again and again since 1290 BC





hahaha... where exactly are these artifacts, of course I'm not surprised this
came from a well known conspiracy site given that the expansion of the story
claims there artifacts were sent to the smithsonian and the smithsonian destroyed
the artifacts, yet with all of these claims, not a single photograph or document
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entire story of it. it's even worse that people are so willing to gobble it up
simply because they want to believe, maybe you can show us where it was really
the africans that landed on plymouth rock and had a huge feast with the indians

it's well known that the vikings came here before columbus, nearly 500 years
before he columbus made his journey, it's also pretty well known that columbus
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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22249920 - 09/17/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

To OP:

Uhm...no shit...The Vikings landed in Maine region and couldn't even finish building their 'establishment', which was their goal.

The Natives attacked them again and again until they didnt have enough people to support an establishment, so they ditched for home, and yea probably took a Native with them.
The leader of this 'Establishment' adventure was; Leif Erikson, son of Erik the Red.
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    #22249923 - 09/17/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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(They found cocaine and niccotine in Egyptian mummies as well, though that scientist has taken a lot of shit for her findings...)





no they didnt. some german researchers made the claim, it was shot down pretty
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    #22249934 - 09/17/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Uhm...no shit...The Vikings landed in Maine region and couldn't even finish building their 'establishment', which was their goal.

The Natives attacked them again and again until they didnt have enough people to support an establishment, so they ditched for home, and yea probably took a Native with them.
The leader of this 'Establishment' adventure was; Leif Erikson, son of Erik the Red.
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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22249937 - 09/17/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I mean Idk what kinda boats did the japs have back then? Also "The fishermen then returned her and her vessel to the sea, where it drifted away."
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    #22249957 - 09/17/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are a few Native American stories of Pale men with skin thick enough to protect from arrows. The story was that they were killing and pillaging village after village, so the tribe sent warriors to try and stop them. Only few of the warriors survived and the ground was said to be slick like a river from the blood of the natives.

The village went into hiding for 2-3 generations, only coming out at night. Until they devised a way to kill them men without actually fighting them. Then the invaders left because people started randomly dieing.

That story is from the Choctaw, and there are a few other stories in the area. But you gotta realize, that this was WAYYY off from where the vikings would have originally landed. Way down in the Mississippi area.

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Achillita]
    #22249961 - 09/17/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

there are also stories of giants that were taller than 3 men


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    #22249963 - 09/17/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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(They found cocaine and niccotine in Egyptian mummies as well, though that scientist has taken a lot of shit for her findings...)





no they didnt. some german researchers made the claim, it was shot down pretty
quickly and once more, it's just another false claim that people love to spread




Its up for debate.

(Everything below sourced from :  http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Curse%20of%20the%20Cocaine%20Mummies.html

The discovery of tobacco fragments in the mummified body of RamsesII should havehad a profound influence upon our whole understanding of the relationship between ancient Egypt and America but this piece of evidence was simply ignored. Then, sixteen years later, again quite by accident, more evidence emerged. In 1992, toxicologist,Dr. SvetlaBalabanova of the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Ulm (Germany) tested the ancient Egyptian mummified remains of Henut-Tawy, Lady of the Two Lands. The results came as a "shock" to this scientist who regularly used the identical testing methods to convict people of drug consumption. She had not expected to find nicotine and cocaine in an ancient Egyptian mummy. She repeated the tests and sent out fresh samples to three other labs. When the results came back positive she published a paper with two other scientists. (Balabanova, S., F. Parsche and W. Pirsig, "First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies", Naturwissenschaften 79, 358 (1992) Springer-Verlag 1992.)

If Balabanova was surprised by the results of her tests she was even more surprised at the vitriolic response to her publication. She received a flood of letters threatening, insulting and accusing her of fraud. When she reminded her criticsthatshewas simply applying the very same techniques that she had used for years in police work where her results were considered "proof positive" her criticsdidn’t seem to care. She was condemned as a "fraud."

Dr. Rosalie David, Keeper of Egyptology, Manchester Museum took up the challenge of investigating the "cocaine mummies" which she thought "seemed quite impossible." She began by sending tissue and hair samples from her museum out to labs. She was working on the dual assumption that one of two things are true: 1. Balabanova’s tests were compromised; or 2. The mummy was not truly ancient" (i.e. it was fake). Dr. David flew to Munich to review the techniques and excavation recordsto seeifthebody, which had originally beenpurchased by King Ludwig I of Bavaria was genuine or not.

Dr. Alfred Grimm, the Curator of The Egyptian Museum in Munich said that "the Munich mummies are real Egyptian mummies. No fakes. No modern mummies. They came from ancient Egypt." After spending days pouring over the docum-entation associated with the "cocaine mummy" Dr. David relented saying: "it seems evident that they are probably genuine…"




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    #22249972 - 09/17/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: The story actually said they were pale giants. It wasn't 3 foot taller, but they were definitely Taller and bulkier than what was average there.

The word was Na Hullo, which actually was used to describe European immigrants when they started arriving.


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    #22249975 - 09/17/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22249983 - 09/17/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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(They found cocaine and niccotine in Egyptian mummies as well, though that scientist has taken a lot of shit for her findings...)





no they didnt. some german researchers made the claim, it was shot down pretty
quickly and once more, it's just another false claim that people love to spread




Its up for debate.





no, it's not actually. there's no evidence supporting it, just the claims of some
german researchers and a few of their believers that are trying desperately to
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    #22249986 - 09/17/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Graham Hancock tho


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    #22249992 - 09/17/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Graham Hancock tho





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    #22250009 - 09/17/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So how do you feel the tests were not accurate?

My last post detailed the situation, Dr. Svetla Balabanova preformed the initial tests, then

" She repeated the tests and sent out fresh samples to three other labs. When the results came back positive she published a paper with two other scientists. (Balabanova, S., F. Parsche and W. Pirsig, "First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies", Naturwissenschaften 79, 358 (1992) Springer-Verlag 1992.)"

Then Dr. Rosalie David investigated and found the same results.

Dr. Rosalie David, Keeper of Egyptology, Manchester Museum took up the challenge of investigating the "cocaine mummies" which she thought "seemed quite impossible." She began by sending tissue and hair samples from her museum out to labs. She was working on the dual assumption that one of two things are true: 1. Balabanova’s tests were compromised; or 2. The mummy was not truly ancient" (i.e. it was fake). Dr. David flew to Munich to review the techniques and excavation recordsto seeifthebody, which had originally beenpurchased by King Ludwig I of Bavaria was genuine or not.

Dr. Alfred Grimm, the Curator of The Egyptian Museum in Munich said that "the Munich mummies are real Egyptian mummies. No fakes. No modern mummies. They came from ancient Egypt." After spending days pouring over the docum-entation associated with the "cocaine mummy" Dr. David relented saying: "it seems evident that they are probably genuine…"

When she returned to Manchestershe discovered that her own Museum’s mummies had traces of tobacco. Dr. David said: "I’m really very surprised at this."

Dr. Balabanova’s work had been validated by the test results from Manchester but she was now hooked on the problem and began collecting samples of naturally preserved bodies housed in museums all around Europe. She obtained 134 separate bodies taken from ancient Sudan dating to a time long before Columbus or the Vikings. Onethird of these bodies contained both nicotine and cocaine.
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Curse%20of%20the%20Cocaine%20Mummies.html

This is why I say its up for debate.

the evidence is the mummies and all the different test results , where is the evidence that she was wrong?

I'm not saying I know one way or the other, I don't know enough to make that assertion, but looking at the evidence I would have to.say its a strong possibility.

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    #22250014 - 09/17/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Graham Hancock tho





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THERE IS NO PROOF THAT ALIENS WERE NOT AT THE FIRST THANKSGIVING



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    #22250020 - 09/17/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So how do you feel the tests were not accurate?





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    #22250087 - 09/17/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You can look up every person and test mentioned if you choose, but I put a link to wikipedia, which is a reliable source for accurate information, below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact_theories

If you scroll down to "transoceanic travel originating from the new world" then scroll down to "claims of Egyptian coca and tobbaco"  ...its all there, all the same references and people.

The debate was never over if Dr. Svetla Balabanova or  Dr. Rosalie David, or  Dr. Alfred Grimm actually did the tests, we know that several people have performed several tests, and we have confirmation that the mummies were real, now with Antibody testing (e.g. radio immunoassay) which is a well-established procedure, there can be false positives, but do you think it would really occur on every individual test?

Like I said I cant say one way or the other, but the evidence suggests this was the case. I will not commit to a side one way or the other when the evidence is suggesting that either could be the case, but I acknowledge the possibilities and keep.an open mind until.some more concrete evidence arrives.

Where is the evidence that she performed the tests improperly?

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    #22250091 - 09/17/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

oh, so they're theories... nothing proven and documented such as the vikings
just some crazy claims by people that want their 15 minutes of fame


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    #22250103 - 09/17/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes I have since read that the inland rune stones were generally discredited, but at least they made it to North America.


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    #22250105 - 09/17/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Where is the evidence that she performed the tests improperly?

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I see no evidence that she even preformed a test until I see the test results

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    #22250106 - 09/17/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think if Egyptians had traveled across the GD Atlantic Ocean we'd have more proof than just one mummy's hair, as analysed by one scientist, and never reproduced...


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    #22250113 - 09/17/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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oh, so they're theories... nothing proven and documented such as the vikings
just some crazy claims by people that want their 15 minutes of fame




No, not theories, real tests. And ot was over 5 scientists, one initially, two more working with her and two independent scientists all preforming their own tests, I published thecname of the paper where you can see results

“In the study, samples were taken from nine mummies that were dated from between 1070 B.C. to 395 A.D. The samples including hair, skin and muscle were taken from the head and abdomen. Bone tissue was also taken from the skull. All tissues were pulverized and dissolved in NaCl solution, homogenized, and centrifuged. A portion of the supernatant was extracted with chloroform and dried and then dissolved in a phosphate buffer. Samples were then measured by both radioimmunoassay (Merck; Biermann) and gas chromatography /mass spectrometry (Hewlett Packard) - hereinafter GCMS. “
http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/mummy.htm

The actual test results were published in in this paper:
(Balabanova, S., F. Parsche and W. Pirsig, "First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies", Naturwissenschaften 79, 358 (1992) Springer-Verlag 1992.)

That's where you van find the actual test results, and Dr. Rosalie David published as well...


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    #22250114 - 09/17/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Isn't it pretty much common knowledge that Machu Picchu and the Great Pyramids are linked by underground tunnels?

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    #22250121 - 09/17/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think if Egyptians had traveled across the GD Atlantic Ocean we'd have more proof than just one mummies hair, as analyses by one scientist, and never reproduced...




It was reproduced by Dr. Rosalie David and several others.

I'm not sure if the Egyptians made it across or some other culture made it there...bit the evidence suggests its a possibility.

I feel like I'm defending something that I don't even fully buy into, I'm just saying I think its possible and here is the evidence why, I know I could be wrong.

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    #22250129 - 09/17/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The ancient aliens and Atlantis stuff really is nonsense, and I don't buy it.

ontact between the new and old world before Columbus is not nonsense, its actually very possible, we know people exist, we know boats exist, what's so hard to believe about it being possible?

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    #22250146 - 09/17/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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oh, so they're theories... nothing proven and documented such as the vikings
just some crazy claims by people that want their 15 minutes of fame




No, not theories, real tests. And ot was over 5 scientists, one initially, two more working with her and two independent scientists all preforming their own tests, I published thecname of the paper where you can see results

“In the study, samples were taken from nine mummies that were dated from between 1070 B.C. to 395 A.D. The samples including hair, skin and muscle were taken from the head and abdomen. Bone tissue was also taken from the skull. All tissues were pulverized and dissolved in NaCl solution, homogenized, and centrifuged. A portion of the supernatant was extracted with chloroform and dried and then dissolved in a phosphate buffer. Samples were then measured by both radioimmunoassay (Merck; Biermann) and gas chromatography /mass spectrometry (Hewlett Packard) - hereinafter GCMS. “
http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/mummy.htm

The actual test results were published in in this paper:
(Balabanova, S., F. Parsche and W. Pirsig, "First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies", Naturwissenschaften 79, 358 (1992) Springer-Verlag 1992.)

That's where you van find the actual test results, and Dr. Rosalie David published as well...


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so here is something that tells you what methods they used including that 
Rosalie David never got to examine the mummies that Balabanova had used
and in her own tests did not find cocaine but only nicotine, did you know
that tobacco is not the only plant that contains nicotine. I know, it's hard to
fathom that eggplants, many brassicas, tomatoes, potatoes and dozens of other
plants actually contain nicotine and many of those plants could have been grown
in egypt or even imported to egypt from neighboring areas

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    #22250175 - 09/17/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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so here is something that tells you what methods they used including that 
Rosalie David never got to examine the mummies that Balabanova had used
and in her own tests did not find cocaine but only nicotine, did you know
that tobacco is not the only plant that contains nicotine. I know, it's hard to
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plants actually contain nicotine and many of those plants could have been grown
in egypt or even imported to egypt from neighboring areas

can you tell us what plants were used in the mummification process?





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    #22250239 - 09/17/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Japanese were in Americas first
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    #22250271 - 09/17/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Niccotine does come from many plants, but the cocaine is strictly new world.

Dr. Alfred Grimm, the Curator of The Egyptian Museum in Munich said that "the Munich mummies are real Egyptian mummies. No fakes. No modern mummies. They came from ancient Egypt." After spending days pouring over the docum-entation associated with the "cocaine mummy" Dr. David relented saying: "it seems evident that they are probably genuine…".

So Dr. Grimm authenticated the mummies.

I don't know what plants they used in mummification, I have heard the theory that these compounds could have been brake-down products of other plants,ive heard people say all the tests performed by every lab were incorrect, and I have heard people say the samples were contaminated, yet after reviewing  all these possible options, I still feel its a stronger possibility that the test results were in tact legitimate.

I have said in almost every post that I cant say one way or the other, I don't have enough information to make that assertion, but in the light of the evidence, I acknowledge the strong possibility that toxicologist, Dr. SvetlaBalabanova and the other scientists involved were correct

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    #22250314 - 09/17/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I always thought this was, like, common knowledge.

Hmm :strokebeard:

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    #22250384 - 09/17/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11080822

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10700195

What about the HTLV-1 virus?

This could be an unargurable link between Japan and south America.

I mean aside from the pottery, Betty J. Meggers made the connection between Japanese and valdevian pottery

which by itself is circumstantial evidence, but then there is the HTLV-1 virus, and the fact that valdevians have Japanese physical features, I'm not sure if the DNA testing has been done yet...
I brought this up to someone before and they started talking about Graham Hancock, though this was Betty meggers theory, so I don't know what Graham Hancock had to do with it...


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    #22250401 - 09/17/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry I jumped back to the valdevian Japanese thing, as for the cocaine mummies, I see enough evidence where it should be in the "up for debate" catagory.

As for the Japanese making contact with south America, the evidence is a bit stronger.

I cant say it is or is not true though, I don't know enough to make that assertion, so I remain "undecided" until the evidrnce arrives, saying it absolutely did not happen is just like saying it absolutely did, we really don't know yet...

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: lowbrow]
    #22250404 - 09/17/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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so here is something that tells you what methods they used including that 
Rosalie David never got to examine the mummies that Balabanova had used
and in her own tests did not find cocaine but only nicotine, did you know
that tobacco is not the only plant that contains nicotine. I know, it's hard to
fathom that eggplants, many brassicas, tomatoes, potatoes and dozens of other
plants actually contain nicotine and many of those plants could have been grown
in egypt or even imported to egypt from neighboring areas

can you tell us what plants were used in the mummification process?





What about the cocaine, son?  Yayo was not an old world drug.





no cocaine was found by Rosalie David and as of yet, we have not seen these test results


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22250406 - 09/17/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's because they snorted it all before it could be tested


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250411 - 09/17/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Niccotine does come from many plants, but the cocaine is strictly new world.





where's the test results that had her saying it was cocaine, cocaine is processed
using hydrocarbons such as gasoline, were traces of hydrocarbons also found?


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22250416 - 09/17/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The natives chew coca leaves, they did not have extracted and processed cocaine.

Chewing coca leaf is still practiced through out south America.

This is how the cocaine gets in their system.

(Cocaine is extracted with kerosene, not gasoline)

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250444 - 09/17/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatic_hydrocarbon

Aromatic means it contains a benzene ring, though there are exceptions...

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    #22250446 - 09/17/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ooops...I did not mean to post that in this thread, I thought I left this thread, my bad...

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Asante]
    #22251142 - 09/17/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i cant find it now, but some really old maps found in china suggests that they may have actually circumnavigated the globe before europeans found the new world





This is a modern Chinese ship:




Do you think they could ever sail around the world


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You're joking right?

Get yo dynasty knowledge up yo


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    #22251189 - 09/17/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

this is news? i mean i'm sure the discovery of the dna evidence is news, but are you guys really not aware that columbus wasn't the first person to visit america?


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: millzy]
    #22251968 - 09/17/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not news to me, but I take a good deal of criticism for some of my historical views.

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #24622799 - 09/12/17 05:48 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah Brian Jones, I've stood at the viking settlement in L'anse Aux Meadows when I was about 13, or 14 maybe. It's designated as a UNESCO Heritage site, and a National Park of Canada.


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