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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: SoupSandwich] * 1
    #22250121 - 09/17/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think if Egyptians had traveled across the GD Atlantic Ocean we'd have more proof than just one mummies hair, as analyses by one scientist, and never reproduced...




It was reproduced by Dr. Rosalie David and several others.

I'm not sure if the Egyptians made it across or some other culture made it there...bit the evidence suggests its a possibility.

I feel like I'm defending something that I don't even fully buy into, I'm just saying I think its possible and here is the evidence why, I know I could be wrong.

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250129 - 09/17/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The ancient aliens and Atlantis stuff really is nonsense, and I don't buy it.

ontact between the new and old world before Columbus is not nonsense, its actually very possible, we know people exist, we know boats exist, what's so hard to believe about it being possible?

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250146 - 09/17/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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oh, so they're theories... nothing proven and documented such as the vikings
just some crazy claims by people that want their 15 minutes of fame




No, not theories, real tests. And ot was over 5 scientists, one initially, two more working with her and two independent scientists all preforming their own tests, I published thecname of the paper where you can see results

“In the study, samples were taken from nine mummies that were dated from between 1070 B.C. to 395 A.D. The samples including hair, skin and muscle were taken from the head and abdomen. Bone tissue was also taken from the skull. All tissues were pulverized and dissolved in NaCl solution, homogenized, and centrifuged. A portion of the supernatant was extracted with chloroform and dried and then dissolved in a phosphate buffer. Samples were then measured by both radioimmunoassay (Merck; Biermann) and gas chromatography /mass spectrometry (Hewlett Packard) - hereinafter GCMS. “
http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/mummy.htm

The actual test results were published in in this paper:
(Balabanova, S., F. Parsche and W. Pirsig, "First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies", Naturwissenschaften 79, 358 (1992) Springer-Verlag 1992.)

That's where you van find the actual test results, and Dr. Rosalie David published as well...


-E. Borodin





so here is something that tells you what methods they used including that 
Rosalie David never got to examine the mummies that Balabanova had used
and in her own tests did not find cocaine but only nicotine, did you know
that tobacco is not the only plant that contains nicotine. I know, it's hard to
fathom that eggplants, many brassicas, tomatoes, potatoes and dozens of other
plants actually contain nicotine and many of those plants could have been grown
in egypt or even imported to egypt from neighboring areas

can you tell us what plants were used in the mummification process?


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22250175 - 09/17/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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so here is something that tells you what methods they used including that 
Rosalie David never got to examine the mummies that Balabanova had used
and in her own tests did not find cocaine but only nicotine, did you know
that tobacco is not the only plant that contains nicotine. I know, it's hard to
fathom that eggplants, many brassicas, tomatoes, potatoes and dozens of other
plants actually contain nicotine and many of those plants could have been grown
in egypt or even imported to egypt from neighboring areas

can you tell us what plants were used in the mummification process?





What about the cocaine, son?  Yayo was not an old world drug.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: lowbrow]
    #22250239 - 09/17/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Japanese were in Americas first
no sources

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22250271 - 09/17/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Niccotine does come from many plants, but the cocaine is strictly new world.

Dr. Alfred Grimm, the Curator of The Egyptian Museum in Munich said that "the Munich mummies are real Egyptian mummies. No fakes. No modern mummies. They came from ancient Egypt." After spending days pouring over the docum-entation associated with the "cocaine mummy" Dr. David relented saying: "it seems evident that they are probably genuine…".

So Dr. Grimm authenticated the mummies.

I don't know what plants they used in mummification, I have heard the theory that these compounds could have been brake-down products of other plants,ive heard people say all the tests performed by every lab were incorrect, and I have heard people say the samples were contaminated, yet after reviewing  all these possible options, I still feel its a stronger possibility that the test results were in tact legitimate.

I have said in almost every post that I cant say one way or the other, I don't have enough information to make that assertion, but in the light of the evidence, I acknowledge the strong possibility that toxicologist, Dr. SvetlaBalabanova and the other scientists involved were correct

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250314 - 09/17/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I always thought this was, like, common knowledge.

Hmm :strokebeard:

My sources are ahead of their time!


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22250384 - 09/17/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11080822

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10700195

What about the HTLV-1 virus?

This could be an unargurable link between Japan and south America.

I mean aside from the pottery, Betty J. Meggers made the connection between Japanese and valdevian pottery

which by itself is circumstantial evidence, but then there is the HTLV-1 virus, and the fact that valdevians have Japanese physical features, I'm not sure if the DNA testing has been done yet...
I brought this up to someone before and they started talking about Graham Hancock, though this was Betty meggers theory, so I don't know what Graham Hancock had to do with it...


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250401 - 09/17/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry I jumped back to the valdevian Japanese thing, as for the cocaine mummies, I see enough evidence where it should be in the "up for debate" catagory.

As for the Japanese making contact with south America, the evidence is a bit stronger.

I cant say it is or is not true though, I don't know enough to make that assertion, so I remain "undecided" until the evidrnce arrives, saying it absolutely did not happen is just like saying it absolutely did, we really don't know yet...

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: lowbrow]
    #22250404 - 09/17/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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so here is something that tells you what methods they used including that 
Rosalie David never got to examine the mummies that Balabanova had used
and in her own tests did not find cocaine but only nicotine, did you know
that tobacco is not the only plant that contains nicotine. I know, it's hard to
fathom that eggplants, many brassicas, tomatoes, potatoes and dozens of other
plants actually contain nicotine and many of those plants could have been grown
in egypt or even imported to egypt from neighboring areas

can you tell us what plants were used in the mummification process?





What about the cocaine, son?  Yayo was not an old world drug.





no cocaine was found by Rosalie David and as of yet, we have not seen these test results


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22250406 - 09/17/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's because they snorted it all before it could be tested


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250411 - 09/17/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Niccotine does come from many plants, but the cocaine is strictly new world.





where's the test results that had her saying it was cocaine, cocaine is processed
using hydrocarbons such as gasoline, were traces of hydrocarbons also found?


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22250416 - 09/17/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The natives chew coca leaves, they did not have extracted and processed cocaine.

Chewing coca leaf is still practiced through out south America.

This is how the cocaine gets in their system.

(Cocaine is extracted with kerosene, not gasoline)

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250444 - 09/17/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatic_hydrocarbon

Aromatic means it contains a benzene ring, though there are exceptions...

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22250446 - 09/17/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ooops...I did not mean to post that in this thread, I thought I left this thread, my bad...

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Asante]
    #22251142 - 09/17/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i cant find it now, but some really old maps found in china suggests that they may have actually circumnavigated the globe before europeans found the new world





This is a modern Chinese ship:




Do you think they could ever sail around the world


:facepalm:




You're joking right?

Get yo dynasty knowledge up yo


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Beanhead] * 2
    #22251189 - 09/17/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

this is news? i mean i'm sure the discovery of the dna evidence is news, but are you guys really not aware that columbus wasn't the first person to visit america?


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: millzy]
    #22251968 - 09/17/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not news to me, but I take a good deal of criticism for some of my historical views.

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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #24622799 - 09/12/17 05:48 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah Brian Jones, I've stood at the viking settlement in L'anse Aux Meadows when I was about 13, or 14 maybe. It's designated as a UNESCO Heritage site, and a National Park of Canada.


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Re: So...Vikings may have actually arrived in the New World before Columbus. [Re: Madcaplaughs]
    #24622846 - 09/12/17 06:31 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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