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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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trichocereus pachanoi question
#22104314 - 08/17/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a box with 8 24W T-5 fluorescent bulbs on these these two trichocereus pachanoi cacti, they are also next to a south facing window. During the summer months direct sunlight does not enter this window, but as it nears fall the sun is entering position in the sky where my south facing window is beginning to get direct Sun-light, now, by winter they will get great Sun, but for now it's only barely comming through.
Is it the sun that's causing the arm to bend and reach toward the wall?
Is it reaching to the part of the room where the direct Sun is shining? (the wall it's growing towards)
Any suggestions on what needs to be done here?
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They're etiolated, and searching for better light. These plants won't grow fat and healthy indoors unless you supplement with a strong grow light. CFLs will make the stretch. They can be grown in a window with good light, but they won't reach their maximum potential unless you have them out in the sun. Put it outdoors in the growing season and bring them in during the winter and let them go dormant.
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Re: trichocereus pachanoi question [Re: prismism]
#22104873 - 08/17/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wut he said. Also be careful to transition them gradually to the full sun otherwise they will sunburn. You'll probably have to cut those skinny stems at some point, but you might wait for them to throw up new "pups" from the base first. You can also cut the skinny stems into "logs" and plant them horizontally so they will eventually send up normal sized pups.
Assuming you are growing it for entheogenic purposes- have you or anyone you know sampled said cactus to test for activity? Otherwise you may very well be wasting your time growing an almost non active cactus. I mean, not to say it would be a total waste because they are beautiful cacti in their own right, but if you are growing it for entheogenic purposes...
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Re: trichocereus pachanoi question [Re: nicechrisman]
#22105430 - 08/18/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would cut those,and make a lot of separate plants,then put them in the sun. Mature Trichocereus just can not be grown indoors properly!
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kosmokratorshaman
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kactus.brand.g said: I would cut those,and make a lot of separate plants,then put them in the sun. Mature Trichocereus just can not be grown indoors properly!
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: trichocereus pachanoi question [Re: prismism]
#22105575 - 08/18/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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prismism said: They're etiolated, and searching for better light. These plants won't grow fat and healthy indoors unless you supplement with a strong grow light. CFLs will make the stretch. They can be grown in a window with good light, but they won't reach their maximum potential unless you have them out in the sun. Put it outdoors in the growing season and bring them in during the winter and let them go dormant.
I know my light is insufficient, but all I have is the T-5 box and a south facing window to work with. They will get great light from that window in the fall and winter months...but for now there's really not much I can do as far as light...
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Re: trichocereus pachanoi question [Re: nicechrisman]
#22105586 - 08/18/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Wut he said. Also be careful to transition them gradually to the full sun otherwise they will sunburn. You'll probably have to cut those skinny stems at some point, but you might wait for them to throw up new "pups" from the base first. You can also cut the skinny stems into "logs" and plant them horizontally so they will eventually send up normal sized pups.
Assuming you are growing it for entheogenic purposes- have you or anyone you know sampled said cactus to test for activity? Otherwise you may very well be wasting your time growing an almost non active cactus. I mean, not to say it would be a total waste because they are beautiful cacti in their own right, but if you are growing it for entheogenic purposes...
The one with the long arm I have sampled, it grew asimilar arm before that one, which I just ate whole, and yes the desired alkaloids were most defiantly present.
The other pachanoi is a "cactus Kate" and is claimed to have the desired alkaloids present.
When it comes to pachanoi and pachanot (one is PC the other is not but I can't remember which is which) I made sure to get the pachanoi...Though the smaller cactus is untested...
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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kactus.brand.g said: I would cut those,and make a lot of separate plants,then put them in the sun. Mature Trichocereus just can not be grown indoors properly!
I don't have an outdoor space available, all I have is the T-5 box and a south facing window...
I have some 1000W high pressure sodium bulbs and ballasts in storage that I was using for marijuana, but I don't think I can set them up in my currant location...
I'm for sure going to make the long arm it's own plant, any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. (I'm not completle y ignorant here, just inexperienced, I'm told to remove the arm, wrap it in news paper and keep it in a cool dry place until it scabs up, then I'm to pot it, correct? If there's anything else I should know, please feel free to post it )
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I dunno about cactus Kate's pachanoi and peruvianus both. Although I've heard the bridgesii is very good. The pachanoi look like regular PC to me even though he swears they aren't, and the peruvianus sure look like non active cuzcos I've brewed.
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Re: trichocereus pachanoi question [Re: nicechrisman]
#22105978 - 08/18/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would not wrap it in newspaper
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Re: trichocereus pachanoi question [Re: nicechrisman]
#22108142 - 08/18/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: I dunno about cactus Kate's pachanoi and peruvianus both. Although I've heard the bridgesii is very good. The pachanoi look like regular PC to me even though he swears they aren't, and the peruvianus sure look like non active cuzcos I've brewed.
Yeah, the untested pachanoi is a mystery, until it flowers it's difficult to tell a pachanoi from a pachanot, or until you have sampled the CACTI. Knowing that the one with the long arm is active, I'm happy of the other one is not, my friend has a "JIMZ" brand pachanoi that he claims is active and says looks like my cactus Kate, but again I don't trust these visual assessments unless the plant is in flower (I guess the pachanot will have these long dark hairs growing from the base of the flower, where the pachanoi will not)
I'm buying a few bridgesii cacti next month, I have heard nothing but good things about trichocereus bridgesii regardless of the brand or vendor, so I'm thinking that's my next move. (Aside from dealing with the pachanoi with the long arm)
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kosmokratorshaman said: I would not wrap it in newspaper
What should I do?
I've never done this before, like I said I generally know what to do, but have no experience, so any tips or pointers would be appreciated.
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Make cuttings with a sterile blade. Once you've done your cuttings you then leave them somewhere with good air flow, out of the sun/shaded area and wait for the ends to callus. Leave space around the cut ends so air can move by, if you don't they can get mould or rot. After a few days the ends will dry and then over the next couple of weeks the scab will harden and a callus will form. You need to allow the callus tissue to form before planting into soil, as it seals the end.
Alternatively, you can take your cuttings and place the fresh cut ends in front of a fan to speed the drying process up. You still need to allow a couple of weeks for callus tissue to form before planting. This method just dries the ends out quicker.
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Re: trichocereus pachanoi question [Re: karode13]
#22108298 - 08/18/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Unfortunately we had a freak storm tonight and all of my unrooted cuttings got damp. I will see the damage in the morning. They are calloused very well, so should not be bad.
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Cuttings getting wet isn't really a bad thing, especially if they're callused. You just need to dry them again if fresh and watch for any rot or mould.
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Re: trichocereus pachanoi question [Re: karode13]
#22108363 - 08/18/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The problem is that they are all potted up rooting..so they are sitting in wet soil for the night.
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If they're well callused they should be ok. Let the soil dry and check the bases of one when the soil's dry, if you're worried.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
I'm buying a few bridgesii cacti next month, I have heard nothing but good things about trichocereus bridgesii regardless of the brand or vendor, so I'm thinking that's my next move.
bridgesii is where it's at. 
I had some pedro and bridge indoors underneath 150watt HPS, they did fairly well. But best thing is let them go dormant in winter, as someone said above. I only had 2 foot long cuttings underneath it though, so the light was kept rather close to the plants to encourage proper growth.
Can you buy a low watt HID kit for supplemental lighting, or is that out of the question?
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Re: trichocereus pachanoi question [Re: karode13]
#22108598 - 08/18/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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karode13 said: If they're well callused they should be ok. Let the soil dry and check the bases of one when the soil's dry, if you're worried.
Thanks for the peace of mind.
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As long as my cuttings are well calloused, I give them a thorough watering once every 2 weeks. I haven't ever lost one to rot. I wouldn't be worried about the rain. It will speed rooting most likely.
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