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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: spacechildo]
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Well, the length of my arms would be a factor. Mine's basically as big as can be with me being able to reach everything comfortably.


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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: 36fuckin5]
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Eat, I just realized that my model is SLIGHTLY different from the picture in your first link.  It may be purely cosmetic (the month-dial thingy looks different) but it's definitely different.


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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: elasticaltiger]
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yeah it could be more up to date or even older. i found those on the holmes website. products like that constantly change from year to year.
even though it may look slightly different or have extra add ons. sometimes its the same model just upgraded.
i like the units with ionizer units on them. room size hepa.


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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: spacechildo]
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spacechildo said:
the only thing restricting the size of your SAB is your imagination!
it doesnt have to be a sterilite brand tote from isle 5 or whatever at wal-mart :super:


smot guy.

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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: eatyualive]
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well it's true :shrug:

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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: spacechildo]
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i happen to agree. With sealed doors and an unlimited budget and some decent property rights the size of your SAB is only limited by your imagination!


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: elasticaltiger]
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wasn't agreeing or disagreeing actually. just gave the seal of approval.


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Edited by eatyualive (08/12/15 05:07 PM)

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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: eatyualive]
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I have to inoculate in the same room I have my tub going, so I have to take extra precaution. Nothing ever goes past second flush unless the sub looks uncannily healthy. 

I keep the air purifier running continuously.  Sometimes that means the bag stays on the shmuvbox if I know there is only a day or two between the next procedure.

Monotubs benefit from moving air in the grow room.  An air purifier is the the best possible circulation unit. Air moves. It get's cleaned in the process. Every time the door to the room is opened, clean air in the room mixes with 'regular' air in the adjacent room.

Is it perfect? No.  Absolutely not.  But it doesn't hurt.

Exempting extenuating circumstances, why would it hurt to keep your shmuvbox running with the same bag?  Circumstances I'd be worried about are things like standing water and loose grains on the floor of the shmuv.  However the air keeps things moving, positive pressure keeps any mold spores germinating inside the bag cycling out.  If they stick to the wall of the bag then they are stuck there. If they get loose then they are eventually forced out through the arm holes.

It is, in my opinion, more perfect than a flowhood since the only air inside the shmuv is from the filter whereas media infront of a blower with a HEPA filter can be contaminated by something as simple as the technician's breath.

Shmuvboxs are protected from outside air.


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson

EZEKIEL 23:20

Edited by elasticaltiger (07/09/15 10:36 PM)

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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: elasticaltiger]
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elasticaltiger said:
I have to inoculate in the same room I have my tub going, so I have to take extra precaution. Nothing ever goes past second flush unless the sub looks uncannily healthy. 

I keep the air purifier running continuously.  Sometimes that means the bag stays on the shmuvbox if I know there is only a day or two between the next procedure.

Monotubs benefit from moving air in the grow room.  An air purifier is the the best possible circulation unit. Air moves. It get's cleaned in the process. Every time the door to the room is opened, clean air in the room mixes with 'regular' air in the adjacent room.

Is it perfect? No.  Absolutely not.  But it doesn't hurt.

Exempting extenuating circumstances, why would it hurt to keep your shmuvbox running with the same bag?  Circumstances I'd be worried about are things like standing water and loose grains on the floor of the shmuv.  However the air keeps things moving, positive pressure keeps any mold spores germinating inside the bag cycling out.  If they stick to the wall of the bag then they are stuck there. If they get loose then they are eventually forced out through the arm holes.

It is, in my opinion, more perfect than a flowhood since the only air inside the shmuv is from the filter whereas media infront of a blower with a HEPA filter can be contaminated by something as simple as the technician's breath.

Shmuvboxs are protected from outside air.


i don't think it would hurt to keep it running with the same bag. but after i do a session. ill turn it off, rip open the bag and remove the quarts. if i do another session, ill use a new bag. i guess its habbit. i have used it for a few sessions in a row without any issues. but sometimes im just paranoid about it. and yes things like loose grain so i remove the bag and start fresh out of habbit. ill do about 50 quarts in one sitting, so i work really fast when i do so, sometimes spilling a few grains.

i do like keeping the work separated though. for instance, if im doing a clone. i use the same bag for that clone work. if im doing g2g i use a different bag. but only when im doing it one after the other. im far more paranoid about a clean bag when doing clone work.

did you try a tiger drop in your shmuv yet? im going to do this very soon.


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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: eatyualive]
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where did the name "shmuv" come from?


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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: blindingleaf]
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Yes I drop it all the time in the shmuv. It remains my almost exclussive growing method.


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson

EZEKIEL 23:20

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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: blindingleaf]
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blindingleaf said:
where did the name "shmuv" come from?


ha the guy who invented it was from the nook his name is "molestor" lol. i think he was making fun of the word "glovebox" and just said shmuv because it rhymed with glove. not a real story behind it. like glovebox shmuvbox. who needs one of those?

although the SAB was still called a glovebox before anyone called it a SAB. and it did not involve any gloves attached to the box.


but its funny when people post "thats pretty shmuv" :lmafo:


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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: eatyualive]
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here is a plate of r44 taken in my shmuv. basically took a grain of colonized wbs and placed it on the plate. did a few transfers.




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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: eatyualive]
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Could we attach the hepa filter to a tub with a rectangle cut out and use it as a ghetto flowhood instead of using bags? Cause im so paranoid the bags contamed already nd i cant clean it lol great write up aswell!


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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: kushroom]
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Ive seen this done in the past but its more work to do that rather than attaching a clear lawn bag out of the box.  The inside of the bag isnt exposed to open air until your ready to use it. Ive never had issues with bags right out of the box. The lysol is sprayed in the bag first for a surface coat on the inside of the bag. You could go through the trouble of wiping the inside with isopropyl but thats a pain in the ass and not necessary. Try it with the bag first and get over the paranoia.

Id be more worried about thr plastic container than the bag.


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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: eatyualive]
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eatyualive said:
blindingleaf said:
where did the name "shmuv" come from?


ha the guy who invented it was from the nook his name is "molestor" lol. i think he was making fun of the word "glovebox" and just said shmuv because it rhymed with glove. not a real story behind it. like glovebox shmuvbox. who needs one of those?

although the SAB was still called a glovebox before anyone called it a SAB. and it did not involve any gloves attached to the box.


but its funny when people post "thats pretty shmuv" :lmafo:


I always thought it was pronounced like, shmoove box, because it was a shmoove way of going about things.


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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: eatyualive]
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Quick shmuvbox question for you eat, or any shmuv user:

What orientation should your hands be in for sterile work in the shmuv?

Like in a FH, if you put your hands between the hood and your work, you're pretty much boned right?  What's the shmuv equivalent?  Would you say the primary air current is out the holes or eminating from the the hepa crosswise?  Where do you place your hands in relation to say, an agar plate, and how do you hold it?


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: Machiavelliavore]
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Machiavelliavore said:
Quick shmuvbox question for you eat, or any shmuv user:

What orientation should your hands be in for sterile work in the shmuv?

Like in a FH, if you put your hands between the hood and your work, you're pretty much boned right?  What's the shmuv equivalent?  Would you say the primary air current is out the holes or eminating from the the hepa crosswise?  Where do you place your hands in relation to say, an agar plate, and how do you hold it?


i really don't worry too much about placement. you could follow similar principles as a flowhood but it is slightly different. its an enclosed bag. you want to keep everything in it. if you think about it, everything is circulating in that bag with positive pressure.

depending on your hepa unit, the outflow may be on the top or side. i just do all my clean work in the shmuv and try to keep the front portion of the bag my work area. I don't necessarily worry much about placing the hands in certain spots. i wear gloves and anytime i pull my hand out of the shmuv, i iso wipe my hands before they go back in. i think about keeping everything that goes inside the shmuv clean before it goes in. once transfers are done, you can close the lids and take the jars out. but before putting anything new in, clean it with 70 iso.

the technique is similar to a flowhood. setup all your jars quarts ect near the back of the bag. and you do your work in front of you. so its easy to see with the eye hole you cut out. one key point for me if i do g2g. is to make sure that you only open the receiving jar for a very minimal amount of time. only long enough to do the transfer. i get away with leaving the lid off of my master the entire time i g2g to receiving jars.

same goes for clones. anytime a lid is opened to transfer ect it is opened as minimal airtime as possible. its a different idea than a SAB. a SAB you use still air principles. a shmuv you use quick steady movements. i get fewer contams in a shmuv comparitively. and im using a 2 year old hepa filter that i had wrapped in plastic for about 8 years prior to that. so this is the 2nd hepa filter ive used in this shmuv in 10 years. ive done just about 99% of all clean work, transfers, clones in the shmuv since that time frame.
i bought a two pack when the hepa unit was purchased. but i do keep the entire hepa unit stored in the box, in a closed steel cabinet. so it is solely used for clean work. nothing else. that is another thing to keep in mind. don't leave the hepa unit out in an open room. keep it contained during storage.

ive done spore prints, transfers from agar to agar. stem clone cut and transfer to pasty plates. stem clone blended via 9er tek, Liquid inoculation tiger drop transfers blends and pours in a shmuv. i use the same tek principles with all of it. with plates, its very similar to what i do in a SAB except that the movement is a little quicker than a SAB. but i will say, i get fewer contams with a Shmuv than a SAB.

one other note, when you spray the lysol in the hepa unit where the filter sits. this is to hit the surface of the working parts of the motor with lysol. since you can not clean it with iso or bleach wipes. the lysol isn't used for the air, its used for the surface of the inside of the motor. thats one thing people miss often.


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Re: Shmuvbox [Re: elasticaltiger]
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elasticaltiger said:
I have to inoculate in the same room I have my tub going, so I have to take extra precaution. Nothing ever goes past second flush unless the sub looks uncannily healthy. 

I keep the air purifier running continuously.  Sometimes that means the bag stays on the shmuvbox if I know there is only a day or two between the next procedure.

Monotubs benefit from moving air in the grow room.  An air purifier is the the best possible circulation unit. Air moves. It get's cleaned in the process. Every time the door to the room is opened, clean air in the room mixes with 'regular' air in the adjacent room.

Is it perfect? No.  Absolutely not.  But it doesn't hurt.

Exempting extenuating circumstances, why would it hurt to keep your shmuvbox running with the same bag?  Circumstances I'd be worried about are things like standing water and loose grains on the floor of the shmuv.  However the air keeps things moving, positive pressure keeps any mold spores germinating inside the bag cycling out.  If they stick to the wall of the bag then they are stuck there. If they get loose then they are eventually forced out through the arm holes.

It is, in my opinion, more perfect than a flowhood since the only air inside the shmuv is from the filter whereas media infront of a blower with a HEPA filter can be contaminated by something as simple as the technician's breath.

Shmuvboxs are protected from outside air.


ah i also inoculate everything in my grow room. i have colonizing jars, plates, i dehydrate fruits, grow cubes. so my grow room has everything all in one room. and i don't have too many contams. if i do get trich in a tub or plate i take it out of that room.


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Re: Shmuvbox: 9er Tek Cloning and G2g transfers [Re: eatyualive]
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I wonder how much of that is due to the meticulous cleaning you do of all your shmuv materials as opposed to the design.  I would guess you keep your scalpel and hands above the plates, as most of the airflow is likely occuring horizontally.

I'm considering making one, though it really does seem like a good bit more work than an SAB.  I need to test to see if cornmeal LI will suck into a 14g needle.  I really like the idea of one quick plate transfer, and the rest of the work done with syringes, with low etiquette requirements.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...

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