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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: millzy]
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millzy said:
i think people who hold beliefs about low wages being beneficial for the ecomony most likely grew up during a time when those wages were somewhat adequate (or are repeating what they are told from role models who earned low wages 30 + years ago). the fact of the matter is the $20 today does not buy what it did in the 70's. yet profits across the board are at all time highs. practical, ethical concerns aside, taking purchasing power away from the lower classes does not benefit anyone in the long term.


I seem to recall that in the early seventies minimum wage was $2.15.  I lived in a tiny town way upstate and that was what I started at as a high school student doing construction.  That lasted about a month.  If you are employed for more than year and still make minimum wage you are a complete lose and don't deserve more.  You also shouldn't have any fucking children.  Probably ever.

Oh yeah, and throw the illegals out so they stop corrupting the market.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
It hurts everyone because consumption just means more greenhouse gas in a globally-shared atmosphere


:lolsy:


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
throw the illegals out so they stop corrupting the market.


If you don't like them pushing down wages, then you should support a higher minimum wage.  :shrug:


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
throw the illegals out so they stop corrupting the market.


If you don't like them pushing down wages, then you should support a higher minimum wage.  :shrug:


That doesn't make any sense, what do you think supports higher wages?  A tighter labor market, illegal workers creates an excess pool of labor, a higher minimum wage doesn't fix this basic problem.

Will a employer hire a legal worker for $12 per hour or an illegal worker for $5 per hour?

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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
throw the illegals out so they stop corrupting the market.


If you don't like them pushing down wages, then you should support a higher minimum wage.  :shrug:


I support a market solution and equal enforcement of the law.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Will a employer hire a legal worker for $12 per hour or an illegal worker for $5 per hour?


Any employer who knowingly hires illegal workers and pays them less than minimum wage can face very serious consequences, so the answer is $12.


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (02/10/15 01:56 PM)

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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I support a market solution and equal enforcement of the law.


I don't know why you support a solution that isn't best for people, but if you truly respect the law then you don't hire illegal workers.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Will a employer hire a legal worker for $12 per hour or an illegal worker for $5 per hour?


Any employer who knowingly hires illegal workers and pays them less than minimum wage can face very serious consequences, so the answer is $12.


Not my quote.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
I support a market solution and equal enforcement of the law.


I don't know why you support a solution that isn't best for people, but if you truly respect the law then you don't hire illegal workers.


I don't ire illegals.  I think my solution is clearly the best one for the American people.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Will a employer hire a legal worker for $12 per hour or an illegal worker for $5 per hour?


Any employer who knowingly hires illegal workers and pays them less than minimum wage can face very serious consequences, so the answer is $12.


Not my quote.


Sorry.  Fixed.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Will a employer hire a legal worker for $12 per hour or an illegal worker for $5 per hour?


Any employer who knowingly hires illegal workers and pays them less than minimum wage can face very serious consequences, so the answer is $12.


"can face very serious consequences"

Yet, if the laws are not enforced, there are no consequences. 

There's a big difference between living in the theoretical world and the real world, "so the answer is" $5.

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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: qman] * 1
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it's a hypothetical question, both answers are "theoretical."


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
it's a hypothetical question, both answers are "theoretical."


Millions of illegals didn't come to the US and stay here because no one hired them, why do I have to even state this basic fact?

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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: qman]
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
it's a hypothetical question, both answers are "theoretical."


Millions of illegals didn't come to the US and stay here because no one hired them, why do I have to even state this basic fact?


Im not sure, because nobody is arguing it.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
it's a hypothetical question, both answers are "theoretical."


Millions of illegals didn't come to the US and stay here because no one hired them, why do I have to even state this basic fact?


Im not sure, because nobody is arguing it.


Actually Falcon is when he says "so the answer is $12". He's suggesting that employers will not hire illegal workers at $5 per hour because of the "serious consequences".

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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: qman]
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He's right.  People don't use illegal drugs because of the serious consequences...what makes you think that employers would try to save a few bucks while risking consequences?


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Enlil]
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I rememeber the Reagan amnesty.  I was an employer at the time and was glad that this would end illegal competition because the penalties are so severe.  Well the fucking penalties are still on the books, there are more illegals than ever and I know of exactly zero employers who have ever been prosecuted.  Every now and then they raid a chicken farm in a red state but that's it.  A fucking joke on the American people.  The Republicans are almost as much to blame as the liberals.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
He's right.  People don't use illegal drugs because of the serious consequences...what makes you think that employers would try to save a few bucks while risking consequences?


That's true, people don't use illegal drugs or hire illegal workers (because of the serious consequences), I don't know what I was thinking.  :lol:

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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: qman]
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
it's a hypothetical question, both answers are "theoretical."


Millions of illegals didn't come to the US and stay here because no one hired them, why do I have to even state this basic fact?


Im not sure, because nobody is arguing it.


Actually Falcon is when he says "so the answer is $12". He's suggesting that employers will not hire illegal workers at $5 per hour because of the "serious consequences".


We all know illegal workers exist. I think his point is you can't write laws by taking into account the people who are going to break them anyway.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Any employer who knowingly hires illegal workers and pays them less than minimum wage can face very serious consequences, so the answer is $12.


"can face very serious consequences"

Yet, if the laws are not enforced, there are no consequences. 

There's a big difference between living in the theoretical world and the real world, "so the answer is" $5.


If the majority of illegal immigrants make minimum wage or more, then the answer is $12 per hour.  And the vast majority do get minimum wage or more.


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