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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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People can afford food, housing and clothing with the current minimum wage, so why raise it?


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
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zappaisgod said:
BoldAsLove said:
zappaisgod said:
I would like to humbly request that people stop using idiotic words and phrases like sustainable, affordable, reform and living wage.  I'm sure there are more than a few buzzwords with no meaning that I am missing.


If a higher minimum wage is so good and lets more people buy shit thus stimulating the fuck out of the economy why not make it $100 an hour?  At what point do you think the minimum wage tipping point is where it stops being stimulative for the general overall economy?  I think it is zero.  I think it has absolutely no positive effect on the overall economy.


I would like to humbly request that you actually discuss the topic at hand. No one here is advocating for raising the minimum wage to $100/hr. Once again, you are reducing the argument to an absurd point. You can read about the fallacy here if needed.

To give an example, if you argued that lowering taxes would be beneficial, I could argue that reducing taxes to 0 would not be beneficial because we wouldn't have a government. Clearly not a valid argument against lowering taxes. Similarly, I could argue that raising taxes is beneficial, and you can argue that raising taxes to 100% is clearly not beneficial. Again, definitely not a valid argument against raising taxes.

So as opposed to arguing against a ridiculous proposition that everyone here agrees is ridiculous, why not try arguing the actual subject matter?


I have.  Repeatedly and over several years.  The ideal minimum wage is zero.  Stop fucking with the market.  It will cure itself.  It always does.


In this thread I've seen you primarily cling to fallacious arguments, which is what I've been trying to point out to you.

I do not think the ideal minimum wage is zero. In my opinion the ideal minimum wage is a wage which allows for some upward mobility. Not just getting by, but the ability to go to school simultaneously and become a more skilled worker.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: BoldAsLove] * 2
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i think people who hold beliefs about low wages being beneficial for the ecomony most likely grew up during a time when those wages were somewhat adequate (or are repeating what they are told from role models who earned low wages 30 + years ago). the fact of the matter is the $20 today does not buy what it did in the 70's. yet profits across the board are at all time highs. practical, ethical concerns aside, taking purchasing power away from the lower classes does not benefit anyone in the long term.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: millzy]
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millzy said:
taking purchasing power away from the lower classes does not benefit anyone in the long term.


Who is taking purchasing power away from the lower classes?  :popcorn:


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
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starfire_xes said:
millzy said:
taking purchasing power away from the lower classes does not benefit anyone in the long term.


Who is taking purchasing power away from the lower classes?  :popcorn:


Globalization and the flood of illegal workers.

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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: qman]
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qman said:
starfire_xes said:
millzy said:
taking purchasing power away from the lower classes does not benefit anyone in the long term.


Who is taking purchasing power away from the lower classes?  :popcorn:


Globalization and the flood of illegal workers.


Fuck.  I was looking forward to setting a strawman ablaze.
:lolsy:


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
On its own, the market doesn't create a middle class.


evidence?


The lack of evidence of it creating a middle class is one piece of evidence.

Not to mention, the middle class has been shrinking since minimum wages have gone down, since union protections have gone down, since businesses started hiring more temp workers, etc., all things the Government can easily reverse if the people want.





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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
zappaisgod said:
And your complaint is?????????????????????????


That you're using incorrect terminology.


Too funny. So that bothers you when someone else does it, but not when you do it?

:lolsy:


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: starfire_xes]
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Nah man it's purely coincidence, don't you know if we deregulate enough the free market will cure our weak middle class? :rolleyes:


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: The Ecstatic]
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This training people have to seek has to be declared on paper and to get a
General training that costs money. I made just over $11 an hour I never partied tried to work as many hours as I could which inevitably got me promoted until I moved jobs saved as much as I could and I in no way would have been able to get training for a job with higher pay. Until I moved jobs and taught myself other skills

It was tough to live for a good 8 months I rode a bike to work to also save insurance and gas costs I couldn't imagine with a kid


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
People can afford food, housing and clothing with the current minimum wage, so why raise it?


Why make people's lives better?  Why not?  :shrug:


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I have already said why not a dozen times....because the poor in this nation are already living a wealthy lifestyle compared to the rest of the world.  I see absolutely no good reason to increase the amount of natural resources that the U.S. poor use when those resources could go to people who would benefit far more from them.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I have already said why not a dozen times....because the poor in this nation are already living a wealthy lifestyle compared to the rest of the world.  I see absolutely no good reason to increase the amount of natural resources that the U.S. poor use when those resources could go to people who would benefit far more from them.


Keep US citizens down so that other countries can rise?  At least I understand your logic.  :shrug:


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (02/09/15 04:18 PM)

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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
luvdemshrooms said:
I have already said why not a dozen times....because the poor in this nation are already living a wealthy lifestyle compared to the rest of the world.  I see absolutely no good reason to increase the amount of natural resources that the U.S. poor use when those resources could go to people who would benefit far more from them.


Keep US citizens down so that other countries can rise?  At least I understand your logic.  :shrug:


you fucked up your quote. Also theres a difference between artificially mandating an increase in consumption and "keeping U.S. citizens down".


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
luvdemshrooms said:
I have already said why not a dozen times....because the poor in this nation are already living a wealthy lifestyle compared to the rest of the world.  I see absolutely no good reason to increase the amount of natural resources that the U.S. poor use when those resources could go to people who would benefit far more from them.


Keep US citizens down so that other countries can rise?  At least I understand your logic.  :shrug:


It's about time.  Now work on understanding the quote function


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Now work on understanding the quote function


My mistake - fixed.


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said:
theres a difference between artificially mandating an increase in consumption and "keeping U.S. citizens down".


You don't think increased consumption helps the US economy or its citizens?  :wtf:


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Increased consumption hurts all of us


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Enlil]
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You mean it hurts other countries because of limited resources?


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Re: Mike Rowe's thoughts on the minimum wage [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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It hurts everyone because consumption just means more greenhouse gas in a globally-shared atmosphere


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