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The Experience of Death
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You hear about folks who say they felt as though they were dying while on a trip. You also have the expierence termed the "ego death".

One one mushroom trip I felt as though I was dying, but how did i recognise it as death? Why did it instincitly feel as though I was dying?

Have I perhaps expierinced death before in order to recognise it?


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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More than once I have felt myself dying while tripping.

I figured it was just my ego dissolving. Especially on high doses of DXM.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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hehe is this a joke?

"Have I perhaps expierinced death before in order to recognise it?"

what do you mean recognize it? You didn't recognize it. You thought it was death but it wasn't therefore you never have experienced death.

"One one mushroom trip I felt as though I was dying, but how did i recognise it as death? Why did it instincitly feel as though I was dying?"

Because you were fucked up on mushrooms.

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: sirreal]
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yes also saw it was my ego disolving but that seemed to be what death was


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Mixomatosis]
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Yeah, you don't really know that what you experienced was indeed what death is like.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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Sole_Worthy said:
yes also saw it was my ego disolving but that seemed to be what death was



It would seem so to me as well.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Mixomatosis]
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What of others who say they felt as though they were dying? some sort of consistant fucked on mushroomsnes?


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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yes, lots of people on mushrooms feel as though they are dying. What's your point? Look back to your original post. The topic of this thread seems to be "Have I perhaps expierinced death before in order to recognise it?"

I was just pointing out that you haven't experienced death because you're alive, and you didn't experience death on mushrooms because you are alive and therefore you did not experience death and you didn't recognize the feeling of dying because you haven't experienced the feeling of dying before.

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Mixomatosis]
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Im sujesting that we have all died before and we have been reincarnated into this life. In these death expieriences we recognise it as death because we have all died many times before.

Yes I am alive, I think you can be approching death, yet come back. It was the build up to death, but I did not die. AS you can walk up to a tree, recognise it as a tree, but you may not climb it.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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or climbing frame :smile:


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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"In these death expieriences we recognise it as death because we have all died many times before."

what death experiences?

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Mixomatosis]
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the ego death

ever tried it?


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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oh, so not death experiences.

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Mixomatosis]
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I have a friend who used to be a heroin addict (he's on methadone, now)

He experienced clinical brain death on 3 separate occaisions.

he told me the experience was indescribable. It definitely wasnt nothing.

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Mixomatosis]
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If our consiosness was to go on after death, then death would be just an expierence


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Mixomatosis]
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so let me get this straight. You get high on mushrooms, think that you are dying (but you aren't), and because you mistakenly believe you are dying you propose that you have died many times before and are reincarnated?

I think that because you're foolish enough to believe you are dying when you aren't you never have experienced death in a past life or ever. If you had experienced death you wouldn't be confused and think you were dying when you weren't

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Mixomatosis]
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"you never have experienced death in a past life or ever"

How do you know?

"If you had experienced death you wouldn't be confused and think you were dying when you weren't "

If I had expiercned death I wouldnt be confused, I d know I was dying when I was


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Edited by Sole_Worthy (11/15/03 07:21 PM)

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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hehe this is a joke right?

"How do you know?"

Because you aren't dead. And I know you haven't experienced it in a past life because you tell me that you have had death experiences on mushrooms, which is not true because you are not dead, therefore those "death" experiences where you felt you were dying were hallucinations. If you had experienced death ever before then you would have recognized that you weren't having a death experience.

"If I had expiercned death I wouldnt be confused, I d know I was dying when I was"

Well if you are the expert on what it is like to die, then please explain why you thought you were dying on shrooms but actually weren't. Why the mistake?


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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when the silence hits you,  no more thoughts,  jsut you are.  you're concerned with nothing else, but the experience..  jsut like the screen you see, is just another form of input.  when there is no more input,  but just what IS.  no words can describe because there are no words.  :grin:


:nut: 


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: kaiowas]
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kaiowas said:
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when the silence hits you,  no more thoughts,  jsut you are.  you're concerned with nothing else, but the experience..  jsut like the screen you see, is just another form of input.  when there is no more input,  but just what IS.  no words can describe because there are no words.  :grin:


:nut: 



Something like that...... :cool:
 


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: sirreal]
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The experience of death is all I have to look forward to.
I've already tripped and skydived, I've done it all accept died.

I think birth and death are two neat moments


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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"Yes I am alive, I think you can be approching death, yet come back. It was the build up to death, but I did not die."

If you truly were approaching death, wouldn't there be a risk of going too far? Why haven't lots of people died by tripping too hard?

"AS you can walk up to a tree, recognise it as a tree, but you may not climb it."

A tree is an object, not an experience. You have definately experienced what it is like to see and feel a tree. You can only speculate about what the experience of death is, you have no way to connect the feelings you have while tripping hard, to the feelings you experience when actually dying other than assumptions.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: SpecialEd]
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I think in death, we will be able to experience the lack of everything. and to know what that lack is. true peace


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Phluck]
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"Why haven't lots of people died by tripping too hard?"

Dude! Lots of people have died by tripping too hard...and they all came back to tell their tale :wink:

I think theres a confusion over what death is.  Im saying death is an experience, death is not the end.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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Sole_Worthy said:
I think theres a confusion over what death is. Im saying death is an experience, death is not the end.



I kinda like how you said that.


Birth is also an experience. And to tie it in with what you said before: Your current last birth, was preceeded by your past final death experience.

So why don't you remember? Could it be a result of trauma? Thinking that you are dying is rather traumatic. Sometimes the sub-conscious hides traumatic events from your conscious mind so that you are not overwhelmed.

Can such a memory ever be accessed? Can one recall a past life?

If cycling through the physical realm is considered.. Would it be possible to do something or leave behind some kind of signs so that you, in the future, may recognize them as being your signs/symbols that you left behind for yourself?

Perhaps if they "spoke" to you..

If so.. Then the ultimate question may be... To what extent would you go, in order to do something for yourself?




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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Deiymiyan]
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Quote:
If so..  Then the ultimate question may be...  To what extent would you go, in order to do something for yourself?


And to what extent would you go to search for a message from a previous life? :laugh:

(I know it's the same question, but just helping with the logical extension) :smile:

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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"Dude! Lots of people have died by tripping too hard...and they all came back to tell their tale"

That's my point... how would you know if that's the same experience as actual death?

The end or not, having your heart stop permenantly might be an entirely different experience than when you take a lot of mushrooms and think you're experiencing death.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Phluck]
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Back to my original point. Why do so many people belive the expierence on a trip to be death?

Yes, non of us can know that the ego death expierence is the same as the death we shall expierence at the end of our lives, so why does it feel like death?


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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Sole_Worthy said:
Back to my original point. Why do so many people belive the expierence on a trip to be death?


I've always figured my ego tells me I'm dying, when in fact I fail to percieve reality as ME for a span of time. Which you can equate to temporary "death" if you want to. /shrug

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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"so why does it feel like death?"

You mean, why do we THINK it feels like death.

Probably because in our minds, death seems like a very huge and important transition, and it's a huge fear.

Why do so many people think that the government or the CIA is conspiring against them when they go crazy?


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Phluck]
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Considering how our brains release all that DMT when we're dying, I think that a high dose DMT trip would be a lot like dying.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: silversoul7]
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Yeah that damn DMT release is the one that made humans belive in all spiritual stuff. If what you consider to be your life is the energy that flows through your body then yes we technacly do end up back here over and over agin as we die. I guess you can call it reincarnation.. However i highly doubt this energy has any memories cells so im lableling all after-death experiences as just "pre death tripping".


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: sirreal]
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here are my death experiences....
first as a kid i nearly died of pnemonia twice, i've nearly drowned atleast twice, nearly been hit by several cars(missed by inches), i was in a truck wreck, as a kid i used to walk on top of the monkey bars in my socks at a day care, nearly fell a couple times, saw my whole life flash before me at age 5. Been in a few other situations that could have went bad in a heart beat too. And on my first shroom trip i thought i might be dead, then eventually became sure of it, and that the after life was me and my 2 friends driving down country roads Forever.
In all those experiences and probably some more i've forgotton, i had to face the possibility of death, except maybe the pnemonia because i was to young to really know what was going on. The shroom trip was the most intense because it was the only time i actually thought i was dead. I had to confront forever and really face what that word means. The experience was as real as anything i've ever experienced. I'd say it also set the bar a lil higher in regards to what can get to me now too. I've always been pretty laid back and unaffected by things, and i've never seemed to have the fear of death that many people do, maybe because it almost happened several times when i was young, and everytime it has almost happened i always remember thinking, hmmm that wasn't that bad. I mean it wasn't fun, but it wasn't unbearable either. Also a few years ago i was sitting on the couch watching tv and it suddenly occured to me i was going to die. Now we all know this...but we dont all really KNOW this. Unlike usual and most people this time i didnt' let myself ignore it or not think about it. I intentionally tried to face it that time. And after felt like i had even less fear of death then before. NOw the trip where i thought i died was the hardest to cope with, earlier i thought i might be going insain, then thought i might be dead, then believed we were dead. That was the hardest thing to cope with, but i did.
I sat there for almost an hour alternating every few seconds between a state of horrible anxiety and fear and a state of acceptance and contentment. Back and forth, back and forth, every couple of seconds. My friends could tell i was agitated but however much they thought i might be freaking out, i promise that i was indeed 100 times more freaked. like i said before that experience permantely set the bar higher, from there on it has taken even more to begin to bother me then ever. Also having survived it without loosing my mind, which i sincerely thought was going to happen at the time, has kinda given me a lil confidence boost. I simply cant imagine experiencing anything worse then i did, and i survived it, and stayed sain. Go me! Anyways after that first trip and in part because of it, i eventually became motivated to start meditating regularly. Very soon i experienced a moment that i can only describe to be like the accounts i have read of satori or kensho. i'm not saying it was that, i dont know. But what i am sure of even more then the thinking i was dead experience, it was the most profound experience of my life. in literally a few seconds my entire perception of reality changed.
Everything around me literally looked different. The lighting in the room changed, and i felt like i was seeing everything for the first time, as it really was. A feeling washed over me unlike anything i even knew was possible, and in that instant i just knew that everything was exactly as it should be(and it was good), and that there was never any reason to fear anything ever. For two weeks i walked around in a state of after glow and near complete fearlessness. Eventually the experience began to fade, even though i still meditated, but that has pretty much leveled off and i've kept a good deal of the fearlessness, increased confidence, peace of mind, and everything still literally looks different, occasionally it seems to go back to the way it was before, but as soon as i notice that, it all comes right back. Watching a movie in a theater is especially surreal now. Before the experience, through most of my life i felt like i was about to wake up at any moment and that none of this was real, ironically after.. everything was hyper real, but still somehow easier to cope with. Anyways i'm mentioning this experience because it was kinda like dying, or being born, its hard to say, maybe they are the same, i dont know, i just know that my life before that moment seems like the memory of a dream, and my memories after seem like memories of real life. there was more to the experience then all that but that was the stuff most impressed upon me. I changed as much in those few seconds as a person then i had in the last 10 years probably. The point is that experiece took even more of my fear of death away.(and everything else too).
The most recent experience i can remember right off hand relating to death was a dream i had awhile back where i was in a car wreck in the dream and the car caught on fire and i was being burned alive inside of it. Atfirst i was a lil scared but then noticed that the fire stopped hurting, and that even though it was still all around me i was ok, and it occured to me that i was dead...but i was still there and everything was the same and ok, and then i woke up. Just kind of an intresting experience. Anyways now the only fears related to death that i seem to have left is the fear of any pain associated with how i die, and how my death will affect others. other then that i'm kind of curious about it, and though this may sound strange to some, i'm almost looking forward to it. but i'm not in any hurry just yet to die.
Sincerely,
That which is, and has no choice but to be

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: ZenGecko]
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Sole worthy, is english your first language? Not that what you are saying would make sense in any language..

"Why do so many people belive the expierence on a trip to be death?"

There are dozens of possibilities. What do you think it proves that people mistakenly believe they are dying on shrooms?

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Mixomatosis]
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Thanks for your input ZenGecko :smile: nice read, man youved diced with death often eneough to be a pro :wink:

MIxomatosis - English is my second language, I am yet to find my first.

"There are dozens of possibilities. What do you think it proves that people mistakenly believe they are dying on shrooms?"

I dont know about "mistakenly" beliveing they were dying. They were dying, I think it is only when you come face to face with death you realise how damn profound that event is. 

Maybe I should claify what I mean by death. This is all relating to the ego death experience, which I belive mimics the death we will expierence at the end of our lives. This ego death is not the end for us, we do return in a way that imitates rebirth.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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When the ego finds itself in a situation when it is being forcefully shoved aside to unblock the discourse between wisdom and love, one of the last-ditch efforts it attempts is to exploit the survival instinct and suggest to the Self that death is imminent, thus creating a motivation on the part of the self to engage the ego in an ego-sustaining dialogue.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Ped]
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Cheers Ped :laugh:


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: SpecialEd]
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ive felt the very same thing on my 1st trip i ever took on mushrooms... ate about 180 liberty caps and it felt like i died.. i thought i was alone in the world... i looked around me and it was like i was stuck in a cartoon world i got scared.. felt i was alone then i thought that i would never come out of the trip at this point i was like shit am i dead ? felt like i died.. after that trip i was pretty fucking messed up didnt feel my usual self.. that was about a month ago but each day goes by i start to feel normal again ;/ anyways what is the EGO ? was it that my EGO that died that nite ? can the EGO b built up to the way it was b4 i took that trip.. EGO mmmmm wat exactly is it and how does it work

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Flare]
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now that is a good question. I have my own definition of what the ego is, and im fairly clear about it, dunno if it ties in with others beliefs though. I think at the core the ego is the sence of self. The sence of being a seperate single entity.

so youve found some this year then? I havnt been out on a proper hunt yet, might go the weekend, I have seen some about though.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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Sole_Worthy u live in the uk yeah ? and yeah found hunders of liberty caps this year.. but i see alot of them dieing off in some locations.. seaons nearly over here.. north east scotland.. hehe met soem dude from down england he said the libery caps that grow in north east scotland are the best in the UK coolies :P

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Flare]
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hehehe. This is pretty funny. Tripping and doing different drugs is fun, but don't take any crazy thoughts you have too seriously. I mean, it's not like mushrooms give you some sort of death dejavue or something. They just fuck with your head! plain and simple. It's one thing to be on mushrooms and be like "This is what death feels like!" But you should have the common sense when you're sober the next day to realise you thought that because of psycholdelic drugs!


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: clam_dude]
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i have actuly been "dead" at one point...i had an alergic reaction to somethign and i stoped breathing and my heart stoped and all that stuff and i woke up 3 days leter in the hospital.....and i have thought i was dyeing agin on mushrooms....and a few other things... it was almost the same feeling but when it was drug induced it was alot more stressfull...the last thing i rember when i really died was feeling very calm....

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Penroc3]
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that's documented a lot. the calmness. for when you die, do you you experience total silence. everything is noise IMHO and one reason for death is to experience what total silence IS. would you agree?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: kaiowas]
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kaiowas said:
that's documented a lot. the calmness. for when you die, do you you experience total silence. everything is noise IMHO and one reason for death is to experience what total silence IS. would you agree?


Maybe the silencing of our 5 senses which get replaced by _____?

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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Digs]
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i knew i was on drugs at the time, and i kept thinking because of that i might not have realized i died, but now was in fact dead. Anyways i felt different for awhile after my first trip too, i thought it was the drugs but now i'm not so sure. I get a similar feeling of increased differentness after meditating and after the satori or whatever it was experience mentioned earlier, actually that feeling has persisted since that life altering whatever it was, but its even stronger after meditation. I think it feels strange because we arent used to it, not because it isnt natural. I dont know, i feel now, and especially after meditation like things are more real now, and i'm seeing everything more how it really is, like i'm seeing it more for the first time, every time i see it. I think all the lil memes and opinions and beliefs literally effect how we see the world around us, and a shroom trip or meditation, clears some of that shit away, and for awhile everything is more real, or surreal if your not used to it, then more shit starts building up and if you dont meditate or something you start going back to sleep. Ofcourse when you have a profound enough experience it can permanetly clear some shit out i think. Its like hitting reset on a computer, starting from scratch, like being born again.
sincerely,
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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: ZenGecko]
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My defenition of the EGO is the diffrence built from a caveman with a stick, to a buisnessman in a suit. It appears to be the current state of our evolution. Where we have forgoten that we are animals controled by nature, and consider ourselves as a person or people that control nature to suit their will. The ego seperates each one of us as individuals, brings embarassment in nudity, tells us that there will be a life after this and that we are the chosen species by a "GOD" that will save us from the problems we ourselves create when we build seperation. It basicaly builds seperation between humans yet it connects itself by the rules and laws it creates. If in reality there is no self then the person that gets up eats brushes his teeth and goes to work is mearly just your EGO. While the animal that eats some mushrooms, sits back and contemplate life is truly the animal, the human, the natural YOU. And when the trip peaks, this realization comes about. The realization that their is NO SELF. Your mearly an organism on a rock and the EGO is considered dead. The ego doesent remain dead for long, but the brief experience will eat at your brain for the rest of the day.


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Re: The Experience of Death [Re: Spokesman]
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mixomatosis, one question?

Are you afraid of finding value in other other peoples ideas, or are you just an asshole?


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