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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: intelligentlife]
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Well both are sat in pretty much the same place in a window, northern hemisphere. So I've stopped watering now and will start again around march. This year neither have had fertilizers, cause I seem to have misplaced my cactus feed.... Guess it's just nature doing it's thing of being random. :crazy2:

Edited by DaveC (09/17/14 01:52 PM)

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: DaveC]
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In such small pots, even slow growing plants like Lophophora will quickly use up all available nutrition. Not fertilizing a whole year will not promote flowers, I assure you. Besides, if you're growing them in a soilless medium (peat, coir, perlite, vermiculite, sand, lava, etc.) you're pretty much starving your plants. :wink:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
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LSoares said:
In such small pots, even slow growing plants like Lophophora will quickly use up all available nutrition. Not fertilizing a whole year will not promote flowers, I assure you. Besides, if you're growing them in a soilless medium (peat, coir, perlite, vermiculite, sand, lava, etc.) you're pretty much starving your plants. :wink:


At what age do you begin to give fertilizer to seedlings?


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: prismism]
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prismism said:
At what age do you begin to give fertilizer to seedlings?


Whenever they get out of their baggies (or whenever I remove the cling film from the trays where I group my pots). I follow a regime of feeding lightly every watering, ~50 p.p.m. N. Since I adopted it I have noticed improved growth with no ill effects (e.g. no bloating, elongating, etc.)


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
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You feed them with Hydro Blooming nutes that are low in the nitrogen, correct?


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: total]
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I used to favour a low N fertilizer, yes. But now I go for more balanced types, I think the old advice of low N ferts was mostly used to keep people from feeding too much nitrogen in times when cacti nutrition was not very well known. With today's specialty formulations and general understanding of plant nutrition, a balanced fertilizer seems a better choice to me (and usually a cheaper one, too). And when you dose it to a precise (more or less) amount of nitrogen, using a low N fertilizer means feeding more P and K than needed. Probably not a problem for me, since I water from the top and let it flow through until it comes out of the bottom, but people that water by immersion may have salt buildup issues if they don't flush the substrate a couple of times per year.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
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ferrel_human said:



That's is just so..
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Edited by intelligentlife (09/20/14 01:28 AM)

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
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In this forum post, a grower shares their diverse approach to fertilizing various plants, including cacti and trichocereus. They emphasize the importance of using appropriate NPK ratios and experimenting with different combinations. The grower uses organic fertilizers for most plants but opts for synthetic high PK fertilizers for trichocereus, applying them at night to avoid sun scorch. They carefully monitor UV radiation levels, as indoor plants are often exposed to significantly lower levels than outdoor ones. The post highlights the use of various "Grow" and "Bloom" fertilizers with different ratios, as well as combination bottles like "A" and "B." The grower suggests mixing fertilizers with proper calculations and starting with low doses when using multiple brands. They also touch on the issue of salt buildup, which depends on the quality of tap water used. Overall, this post offers valuable insights into the customizable nature of plant fertilization and the need to consider specific plant needs and environmental factors.

I would add here about: you people can buy several different NPK-ratio fertilizers and try mix them or use as it is. There are probably as much fertilizing habits as there are growers.

I use cannabis grow fertilizers to cactus, but only Grow-ferts to trichocereus. All fertilizers are organic except high PK-Fertilizer, it's synthetic and colorless stuff.. Sometimes I just spray PK-fertilizers to skin of cactus at night when their skin have cool down from scorching sun event It's hard to believe sun scorch indoors cactus trough 3-layer glass in there arctic where UV-radiation levels are 10-20% compared to Spain or other southern EU countries. I follow UV-radiation maps to see when sun isn't anymore powerful at all or when it's power starts to warm up there. But nature effects to my indoor grow many ways, cloudy days, sunny days, etc.

Some of those are "Grow" and "Bloom" fertilizers and so on with different ratios. There are also combination fertilizers like bottle "A" and "B"

I have for example tens of bottles. Some have 4-0-4 or 0-4-8 or 0-17-18 or high N 8-2-5...

These can be mixed if you know how to calculate fertilizers.

I usually add some cannabis bloom fertilizer, naturally low L but enough for cactus.. Anyway, I add few drops of high amount PK-fertilizer there. It's actually designed to cannabis water grow afaik. I still don't see why not to add it to increase PK but no N anymore.

Sometimes I just test out with small doses to mix even strong N fertilizers etc. But Always when you use those several brand fertilizers, read manual and use it first very low percent what manual have text about.

What comes to salt build up.. That's a matter of how bad tap water is. So far in my area Tap water is pretty clear, some people take tap water from nature, not from purification plants. There can be measured those tap waters. IF it's <7pH it's from bottom water directly. If pH is >7pH there is likely purification chemicals. Sometimes I take big cans of water, go to my grandparents and take tens of liters tap water from them, it's under 6pH and very rich with minerals, Cactus plants really enjoy that water. There are some minerals dissolved to it underground over millions of years and they benefit cactus.

Fertilizers fix the pH but don't help with these purification plant chemicals or salts what can build up to soil.

My way of watering is basically same, I water so much water goes away from bottom holes, sometimes before winter I just let water run trough small pots to remove excess fertilizers. I have used also chicken egg shells, washed and dried, then crushed.. Cactus roots attach to them as hard as they attach to rocks. But I add only crushed egg shells very small amount. I am 100% sure that stuff are in nature too, depends where birds do their nest or do another mammal steal eggs and break them somewhere else.

What I have read books it acts as low release fertilizer. It acts faster if you can get it to very powder form. There are also in stores ~50Liter bags of 100% pure crushed egg shells sold as fertilizer for plants. And it's not small company, they sell products all over EU.  I wasn't obviously wanted to buy those so I took egg shells when I do some food, then I wash them and dry. Later on I broke them by add those and some rocks to bowl, take my hand and took some and crush them inside my fist with rocks to get nice stuff. But I have to say not all containers have any of egg shells in soil. Some pots may have 2-3year old soil from times I was't used them.. Also I add ash from my bong to surface of soil when I need to clean my bong and fill it again to smoke moar..:lol:

This year I have done in purpose late summer fertilizing, I'll see how they behave over winter or do I even see any problems without sun event here is some ferts in soil. Today at 6AM was only +16C(indoors at my plant table)
Seems flower buds of plants probably doesn't turn to flowers till early summer... Echinopsis may put out flower out before full winter comes but I don't use artificial light during autumn. It dry air too much and can cause dry skin to cactus.

It's said if +1C more room temperature increase ~3-5% indoor humidity decrease and anotherway, so bottom heat doesn't work without sun heating above windowsill plants and their skin may crack like human skin at winter in frosts. Mid-winter humidity at -30C or lower is obviously low humidity because humidity freeze directly to ice crystals. It sounds crazy but winter heating in cold climate is a problem because humidity can really go so low cactus skin can't tolerate ANY pressure without cracking, especially peyote and other lophophora.

But I have obviously seen low humidity constantly over the day is not good for cactus, they need low night time temps to let humidity increase. And this is about indoor plants at cold climate, even there are sun few hours, no need to use excess heat even it speed up growth speed of lophophora and allow more constant watering(if grower want to) ...Those plants tolerate +50C temps no problem, as long as temps don't stay high over night time. Fluctuating temperatures are basically key to all cactus, indoor growers may have hard time with this but regular room temp can be be turned at summer to "night" and with heat mat during the day gives them "normal day" ...This works with adult mexican miniatures as well as seedlings..

I am sure heat promote lophophora flowering. Water may have something to do this as well but I have said few times here. At mid summer lophophora diffusa did flower bud in 24hour dark because of heat radiator was too high on. Even plant didn't had water for months, it still flowered, flower never opened because light control most flowers when to open. At that point I realize it's not just watering promote floweing of peyote, they need water also but heat waves after watering cause lophophora to flower, if they spent good winter, better flowering the following summer is going to be. Peyote isn't so picky about winter, they seems to flower some but I have two peyote plants, flowered in the past but this year not a single flower on those two. Fricii also didn't flower this year. I have changed apartment almost every year past 4 years so I have had to keep plants under lights because how funny it sounds, I don't have much room where are enough cool to let cactus go hibernation.. Now I have more permanent apartment and can keep plants at same pot over the year and they got cold winter and hot summers indoors.

Most positive effect my windowsill gives are the fact: sun heats my apartment without any electricity even today, if it's not cloudy. Only coldest winter time I need to get my apartment. At summer I need A/C because temps are indoors +30..+35C without it, still I avoid to use it because I barely spent long time in my apartment at summer, I like spent time outdoors when it's warm...:thumbup:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: intelligentlife]
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intelligentlife said:
ferrel_human said:



That's is just so..
:Awemazing:


:sunny:

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: kactus.brand.g]
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@ IL, i rarely water my cacti with tap water. Sometimes they spend months and no water. Then if i must water with my tap water i let it sit out for like 2 days then use it. The majority of my cacti get little to no water when it rains so i save buckets of rain water and then i water them. Its hard to believe but there was this one year i did not water them because it did not rain that entire year. And i rarely, if ever, fertilize them. I assume they get all they need from rock. They look pretty darn healthy and you know what they say, if it aint broke, dont fix it. :shrug:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
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ferrel_human said:
@ IL, i rarely water my cacti with tap water. Sometimes they spend months and no water. Then if i must water with my tap water i let it sit out for like 2 days then use it. The majority of my cacti get little to no water when it rains so i save buckets of rain water and then i water them. Its hard to believe but there was this one year i did not water them because it did not rain that entire year. And i rarely, if ever, fertilize them. I assume they get all they need from rock. They look pretty darn healthy and you know what they say, if it aint broke, dont fix it. :shrug:


True.. I also tend to keep plants rather dehydrated than constantly firm and plump.

even young peyote survive LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time without a drop of water.

Anyway, I can't even water atm, it's snowing atm outdoors and it's so fucking cold now.:lol:

Peyote will turn very cool cactus when it have massive tap root. Those one foot tap roots in habitat isn't even bullshit..

I have always know about there are spots around lophophora habitat it may not rain in whole year. plants just shrink and go underground hide from sun and some wind may blow sand to those holes lophophora leave. When rainfall comes they will grow above ground level again. That what I have understand of lophophora.

Anyway, have you watered trichs at all? how about condensation water at morning after cool night? There are some species of dry area plants what basically grow only by taking condensation water etc.. I don't remember that tree name it collects condensation water every night.

I have kept also some peyote like 2-3months without water above heating mats, they are very ok.:dancer:

It may be possible the large area of desert at north mexico/south texas there can be areas without rain for years... it's just a matter of luck, many people I have given some peyote or so.. They really doesn't understand the peyote and it survival abilities. Dammit they have very good nasty tasting underground water reserve for these kind of hard periods...

It's good to know, I may test next year to keep some old peyote long time before first drink... I want see how small it can go.:tongue2:

About my seedling thread I have keep updating, I haven't think about to give water for them anymore.. Don't remember when I watered them last time but those are going to be without water over winter.. I probably update pics there when plants are very shrink and show how they do underground. :yesnod:


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: intelligentlife]
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intelligentlife said:
Peyote will turn very cool cactus when it have massive tap root. Those one foot tap roots in habitat isn't even bullshit..




Amazing little fact here.

i work with a man that is native to a city in Mexico, Cuatro Cienegas in the state of Coahuila. El Oso, Coahuila is home to the to the largest peyote. His brother lives only miles from there location. He told me his brother has pulled out a peyote with an almost 1 meter long tap root. No joke. :eek: I couldnt even believe such a thing. I was just amazed at the possibility.  I new that the El Oso peyote were big but never imagined one could grow to such immense size.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
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ferrel_human said:
intelligentlife said:
Peyote will turn very cool cactus when it have massive tap root. Those one foot tap roots in habitat isn't even bullshit..




Amazing little fact here.

i work with a man that is native to a city in Mexico, Cuatro Cienegas in the state of Coahuila. El Oso, Coahuila is home to the to the largest peyote. His brother lives only miles from there location. He told me his brother has pulled out a peyote with an almost 1 meter long tap root. No joke. :eek: I couldnt even believe such a thing. I was just amazed at the possibility.  I new that the El Oso peyote were big but never imagined one could grow to such immense size.


Peyote grow like "upide-down" columnar creating massive vater storage underground and let only growth tip be able to photosynthesis.. :thumbup:

That's why constant watering cause peyote cactus etiotale like columnar but it's too fast and cause plant go ugly caused by human. IF same lenght happens over years, growth is different and plant have nice underground skin, like "rings" around the tap root. It's just actually dead skin from past.

Plant need droughts to do the rough dead skin underground and same time creating new one from center.

What we mostly see as potted plant those roots are pretty small and young compared to peyote in habitat..

I am not sure about this but they can be hundreds of years old.

Everyone who grow peyote they probably know they grow length as well diameter and go underground when shrinking and fill up it's own hole again as firm cactus when rainfall comes.

They sure grow even they have not got water for weeks as well.. Tap root, especially in habitat can grow so massive small button may have water for several years.

1Meter = 3foot.. not bad.:bow2: ...and I am sure there may be even more massive peyote roots, impossible to even take away from ground... Probably harvested also and root is not just one long section, several buttons in habitat may be attached to same big massive tap root because of human consumption of peyote. It may take long time to peyote grow like this but it's sure plant have been used as sacrament long long time, thousands of years.. And they have been very old at times when Europeans was invade the American continent.

Who know how big peyote can really grow... And how old...:pipesmoke:

Edited by intelligentlife (09/21/14 10:40 AM)

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: intelligentlife]
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No sources allowed!


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: ken1993]
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Hey guys sorry for not attaching images (I don't have a camera, at least not one good enough to be of any use)

I've never  grown lophs nor have I grown any cactus from seed but I have some loph seeds germinating at the moment. Today I noticed some tiny cotyledons emerging from the media but can't find information nor photos of loph cotyledons, I assumed they would pop up as globular tiny cacti, but cacti are dicots so I'm now confused as to whether I have some unwanted guests or success.

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: elborito]
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elborito said:
Hey guys sorry for not attaching images (I don't have a camera, at least not one good enough to be of any use)

I've never  grown lophs nor have I grown any cactus from seed but I have some loph seeds germinating at the moment. Today I noticed some tiny cotyledons emerging from the media but can't find information nor photos of loph cotyledons, I assumed they would pop up as globular tiny cacti, but cacti are dicots so I'm now confused as to whether I have some unwanted guests or success.


They look like tiny bright green blobs, and usually still have the tiny black seed coat stuck to them.


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: elborito]
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well I have 4 very tiny cotyledons so maybe something else got in :frown: must have been during media prep as they are in a sealed environment.

Just checked again and noticed that there are in fact  some green blobs emerging :laugh:.

-Day off
-Lophs germinated
-Warmest day in months
:megusta:

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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: elborito]
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All the best with your seedlings elborito  :thumbup:



Some flowers from last season that i never got a chance to put up


         
     


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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: olive]
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They look good mam :thumbup:


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