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ferrel_human
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Lophophora Growers Unite! 26
#12646227 - 05/28/10 03:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread is for the most sacred of all cacti.
Anything you ever wanted to ask about the Lophophora genus, ask here.
If you got a scratch on your button and want to post a pic of it, go for it.
If you have a nagging suspicion about something, nag about it here.
If you just want to show off your beauty, do it here.
This is gonna be where Loph Growers Unite!
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Edited by naum (11/03/11 06:34 PM)
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ferrel_human
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the 2 i did just now. i don't mean to brag but i'm pretty fucking good at grafting. at least with lophs. haven't done any others except some baby astros that did take.
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karode13
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: quack23] 4
#12647930 - 05/28/10 09:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok. Here's my contribution:
Lophophora williamsii
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Description: Solitary or (rarely) caespitose spineless cactus, normally unicephalous but becoming polycephalous with age or injury, Stem: Glaucous green, dull bluish or greyish green, very succulent, globular, top-shaped, or somewhat flattened up to 6 cm tall, 12 cm diameter, with a woolly top; The subterranean portion of the stem, which is as wide as the aerial portion, extends several cm below the surface of the ground and transitions smoothly (through a thin hypocotyl) into a large taproot which may extend over 25 cm below ground level. Ribs: (5 when young) 7 to 13 (very rarely 4 or 14 ) broad, rounded, straight, or spiralled, often tuberculate, sometimes irregular and indistinct, with transverse furrows forming more or less regular, polyhedral tubercles; Roots: Napiform, usually 8-11 cm long Areoles: Round spineless, bearing flowers only when young with some bunches of long erect, matted, wooly greyish hairs, up to 1 cm long. Flowers: Solitary, campanulate, 1.5-2.5 cm across when open usually pink (rarely whitish) outer perianth segments and scales ventrally greenish. They emerge from the mass of hairs at umbilicate centre of crown each surrounded by a mass of long hairs. Stigma-lobes 5-7, linear, pink. Blooming season: Flowers sporadically throughout summer. Fruit: Club-shaped, red to pinkish, 2 cm long or shorter which can be very delectable and sweet-tasting when eaten. Seeds: Small and black up to1 mm in diameter, with broad basal hilum, tuberculate-roughened.
Whole plant out of soil showing exposed taproot and the fine feeding roots that take up water and nutrients:

Development of the flower:
Emerging bud:

Flower about to open:

Flower open:

Development of fruit and resulting seed:
The start of two fruits:

Seeds from one fruit next to a matchstick for size comparison:

Cultivation and other information:
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Cultivation: All Lophophora species are extremely slow growing, often taking up to thirty years to reach flowering age in the wild (about the size of a golf ball, not including its root). Human cultivated specimens grow considerably faster, usually taking from six to ten years to go from seedling to mature flowering adult. Because of the tap root they are very rot prone, so use highly gritty compost with much drainage. Requires half shade to part sun. Waterings should be rather infrequent to keep the plant compact and not to become excessively elongated and unnatural in appearance, watering it properly is often difficult because this plant tends to crack open or rot if over-watered. The fact that the plant retracts into the soil and assume a grey-green colouring between watering, is perfectly natural and doesn’t cause any damage.
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Overwintering: Keep completely dry and cool in winter (An unheated greenhouse would be perfect) or when night temperatures remain below 10° C, it can survive low temperatures (appr. -7°C) for a short period. Assure a good ventilation.
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Propagation: Easy to propagate from seeds. The seeds require warm and humid conditions to germinate. 20°C+ (70°F+). Propagation by vegetative means is possible by removing the top of the plant and grafting or re-rooting on its own, but to ensure the rootstock survives some areoles must be left on the rootstock to let new emerging "pups" somewhere to grow from.
All quotes were taken from cactus-art's article on Lophophora with a few edits by myself. The full page can be found here
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Ieponumos
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13] 1
#12648293 - 05/28/10 11:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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What does a completely mature loph fruit look like?
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karode13
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: Big L] 2
#12648382 - 05/28/10 11:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ieponumos said: What does a completely mature loph fruit look like?
Pretty much looks like this. From here it start to dry out and shrivel up until dry. Most people wait until the fruit has dried before harvesting the seed but I find you can harvest the seed as soon as the fruit is mature and just before it starts to shrivel.

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haymaker
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: KBG1977] 1
#12649030 - 05/29/10 03:55 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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They taste lovely - i always eat mine after i've taken all the seeds out. If you have a few fruits at once, say 4, you actually get a decent amount. Very delicate, sweet, perfumed flavour.
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They're around 15-25mm long. These are both in the middle of that range.
My fruits usually contain somewhere between 6 and 20 seeds. I've never had more than 20, occasionally I've had less than 6 - once just 3 seeds!
Hope this is of some use.
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ferrel_human
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the top is lophophora fricii and the bottom are lophophora decipiens. just babies at a couple weeks old. ihad to separate the trays this time to avoid confusion.
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: kergan] 1
#12650450 - 05/29/10 12:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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how old are the babies in the middle, kergan? those are very nice by the way.
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kergan



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ferrel_human said: the top is lophophora fricii and the bottom are lophophora decipiens. just babies at a couple weeks old. ihad to separate the trays this time to avoid confusion.

They look good for only a couple weeks old. They look like my one year old's.
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Ieponumos
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13] 1
#12652225 - 05/29/10 07:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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karode13 said: The mescaline content in the fruit I would guess is negligible to none and you would have to eat a wheelbarrow full to maybe get any effects. If you want mescaline grow a Trichocereus.
It must be. Sugar ants love it. I came home this morning to my Loph covered in sugar ants with the flesh of one fruit almost completely missing.l They had just started to work on the other. so I pluck it off and manged to get 16 seeds out of the ordeal. Needless to say I was surprised.
I wonder if that is one of their methods of seed dispersal. Next time it fruits, I'll see if I can film the phenomenon
Yeah ants love them. I'm sure this is one method the plant uses to disperse the seed as the fruit itself just dries up and retains the seed until something either eats it or a torrential downpour knocks them loose. What I do to protect them from ants is to put the plant on a brick in the middle of a water filled saucer. The brick raises the container above water level and the water creates a moat which which ants will not cross as they aren't keen on getting wet.
That suggestion, sir, is epic win. Now I have to germinate those seeds.
Please pardon my reposting, but this is a loph thread:
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ferrel_human
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: redeyesmj] 1
#12656003 - 05/30/10 02:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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redeyesmj said: ferrel please elaberate on the demascus earth at auto zone?? brand name??? what is that pic of in your avatar?
its the oil absorbant little rocks in the big bag. its about 5bucks and good for all types of uses. its called Ultrasorb Oil Absorbant.
"%100 diatamaceous earth". google this "uses for diatamaceous earth"
its kills and and fleas and ticks and those dreaded gnats. they way i see it. when it dries out, its at its most useful. kills little pest by drying them up.
when watered they absorb good amounst of moisture.
my avatar was changed because that is who i am an iron roughneck. it breaks drill pipe with tungsten carbide teeth.
i'm a damn roughneck you see. and in no way affiliated with BP.
anywho, here are some grafts i have made this year.
bottomlefthand corner is for KBG. its the astro graft that snuck into the pic. way off subject.

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crested graft. loph also.

i stepped on this guy when i transplanted it. it had no pups and i though it was a gonner. lo and behold it put out, and FTW, 5 pups.
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Mostly_Harmless
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Awesome thread keep 'em coming!
Here is some of my faves atm.
2 diffusa, one in bud :
  
2 koehresii :
  
williamsii, one in bud for the first time :
 
williamsii :

Edited by Mostly_Harmless (12/29/11 09:13 AM)
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ferrel_human
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kergan



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Mostly_Harmless said: Awesome thread keep 'em coming!
Here is some of my faves atm.
2 diffusa, one in bud :
  
2 koehresii :
  
williamsii, one in bud for the first time :
 
decipiens :
 
Beautiful plants.
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: kergan] 2
#12668565 - 06/01/10 07:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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L.W. Babies... Almost three years old:
Before repotting, getting quite cramped:

Nice taproots:

All happy in their new pots:
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ferrel_human
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: JB201] 1
#12668591 - 06/01/10 07:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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JB201 said: L.W. Babies... Almost three years old:
Before repotting, getting quite cramped:

Nice taproots:

All happy in their new pots:

nice and beautiful tap roots.
i may be the only fool on here that gets excited seeing that.
edit- try and get some clay pots. nothing against plastic but clay pots seem to wick away water much better. just a tip.
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Edited by ferrel_human (06/01/10 07:38 PM)
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ferrel_human
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Re: Loph Growers Unite! [Re: karode13] 1
#12671682 - 06/02/10 10:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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the first 2 are of a loph that pupped from the center. the 3rd is of the top in root. lophophora fricii
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here are my babys the only 3 out of 10 that germinated  there my little miracles lol
no san pedro sprouted witch ticked me off


 3 or 4 weeks old they are this is there first transplant
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Thanks, gonna get to that immediately. Here's the best pic I have of it:

I hope it's ok 
While I'm takin pics anyway, most of my peyote are a bit more white than most people's seem to be, here's a sample(looks a bit more white of course due to the flash):

Is that anything I can help with, or should be concerned about? I'm growing them under a bright CFL, I kinda figured that might be the cause.
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