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Growing mushrooms on firs?
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Hello,


here, where I live there are almost only firs ( softwood ) and therefore I would like to grow the mushrooms on this substrate.
I have heard that some strains of the oyster mushrooms (Pleurotus pulmonarius), the Enoki (Flammulina velutipes), the Brown-Gilled Woodlover (Hypholoma capnoides), Changing Pholiota (Kuehneromyces mutabilis) and the Honey mushroom (Armillariella mellea) are growing on firs ( Are there some other species ? ).
Has someone experience with growing mushrooms on firs or sawdust derived from firs ?


cheers,

ragadingks


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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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I would say that you have a pretty good list of species that will work right there. Try a few of those, just like you would a hardwood sawdust. Let us know how it progresses.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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From what I know, Flammulina velutipes definitely grows on coniferous trees.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: Anno]
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Recently I have found some species of Brown-Gilled Woodlover (Hypholoma capnoides) and the Honey mushroom (Armillariella mellea) that were growing on firs. I will make some tests with them and let you know, but it will take some time.
If someone here has found mushrooms that where growing on firs (softwood), please let me know, I would like to trade for them ...


ragadinks



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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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Has anybody seen the Cauliflower Mushroom growing on firs ?


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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Cauliflower mushrooms (Sparassis crispa) grow at the base of firs not out of the trunk itself.


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: Bi0TeK]
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But can they be grown on sawdust ?


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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Yes.


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: Bi0TeK]
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Many other mushrooms can be grown on firs besides those that occur there naturally. But the yields are smaller so it's not a suitable substrate for commercial cultivation.

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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: zeronio]
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zeronio said:
Many other mushrooms can be grown on firs besides those that occur there naturally.


Like what ?


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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I'd have to check Stamets GGMM, but I think that most of woodloving species featured in that book can be grown also on soft wood. All Pleurotus species, Pholiota nameko, F. velutipes, Hypholoma sublateritium, H. capnoides, Sparassis crispa and even Lentinus edodes.

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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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There's an article at mushworld about using conifer sawdust, 20% ricebran, pine sawdust and whole rice as a substrate for cultivating Sparassis crispa.

It's well worth checking out and registration is free !

www.mushworld.com



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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: Bi0TeK]
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Bi0TeK said:
There's an article at mushworld about using conifer sawdust, 20% ricebran, pine sawdust and whole rice as a substrate for cultivating Sparassis crispa.

It's well worth checking out and registration is free !

www.mushworld.com




I went there to see the article, but i had no luck with the registration. Was able to register, but in spite of that I could not log in to the website. Do not know why ...

Could you possibly give an excerpt of the article here ? ( I know I ask for much ... )


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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Cultural Characteristics of Sparassis crispa

Writer: Ki Won Ban / Date :1999-08-01 / hits: 98
Ki Won Ban, Ji Yeon Kim, Jae Ouk Shim, Ji Yul Lee,
and Tae Soo Lee, Min Woong Lee


Abstract: This study was carried out to obtain the basic data for making fruiting body of Sparassis crispa in artificial conditions. The mycelia of Sparassis crispa grew favorably in the media of cornifer sawdust +20% ricebran and pine sawdust+rice medium for 6 months of incubation at 25'c It is compact mass of mycelium under the microscopic observation (400x), and it is carefully considered to be the first mecelial mass to form a mature fruiting body of S. crispa.


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: Anno]
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Thank you anno ...


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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Has somebody got the cauliflower mushroom (Sparassis crispa) and would trade with me ?


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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I'm on my second attempt at cloning Sparassis crispa and Grifola frondosa from wild specimens. My first attempts just rotted on the agar. I'll let you know if I have success this time round.


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: Bi0TeK]
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thanks a lot. would help me a lot  :laugh: 


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: Anno]
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Hmm..
question: why was it incubated for 6 months? also, "and it is carefully considered to be the first mecelial mass to form a mature fruiting body of S. crispa" - this suggests that it is rather hard to cultivate, does it not?

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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: ]
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According to GGMM it takes considerably less time.

Spawn run:
Incubation temperature: 70-75f (21-25c)
relative humidity: 90-100%
duration: 20-25days
co2 : >5,000ppm
fresh air exchanges: 1 per hour
light requirements: n/a

Primordia formation:
Initiation temperature: 50-60f (10-16c)
relative humidity: 95-100%
duration: 7-14 days
co2: 500 - 1,000 ppm
fresh air exchanges: 5-7 per hour
light requirements: 1,000-1,500(2,000) lux


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Re: Growing cauliflower mushrooms on firs? [Re: Bi0TeK]
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ah
silly me
i should have checked my copy.. the details of that abstract interested me though..

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Re: Growing King Stropharia on firs? [Re: ]
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in Staments GGMM it says that some strains of King Stropharia (Stropharia rugosoannulata) are also growing on coniferous wood, especially firs. Has anybody ever seen one growing on firs, or tried to grow this species on coniferous wood himself ?


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Re: Growing King Stropharia on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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Why dont you just do something man.
I find hands on is a more fulfilling way to learn than asking questions.

Edited by walk (11/02/03 04:33 AM)

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Re: Growing King Stropharia on firs? [Re: walk]
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Why dont you just do something man.
I find hands on is a more fulfilling way to learn than asking questions.

walk, I think that both is very important and how come you think I do not do anything ?
Anyway, I am not going to make a flame war with you, have got something  else to do  :crazy: 


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Re: Growing King Stropharia on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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Yeah sorry, i have juvenile moments.

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Re: Growing King Stropharia on firs? [Re: walk]
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:thumbup: 


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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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I'll dredge this one up because I just nailed some dowels into fir logs. Hericium abietis grows naturally on firs.

FH


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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: Fungushead]
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The dowels were grown through with mycelium of Herecium abietis, or something else ?
I am looking for Herecium abietis now for a long time on the board, but it seems that no one has ever tried that species out.
Keep us updated !

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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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Quote:
The dowels were grown through with mycelium of Herecium abietis, or something else ?




They were grown through with H. Abietis mycelium (they had better be at least, I bought enough of them). I've been taking a "vacation" from work trying to get all my wood innoculated. I'm trying to stack them vertically using some moisture trickery (rather than having to half bury every single one)



We'll see if that works. I hope it does.

FH


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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: Fungushead]
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Where did you buy the dowels from ?

Do you have to do the water bottle trick now with every single log ?
Guess, no - would be the same work as burying them.

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Re: Growing King Stropharia on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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>in Staments GGMM it says that some strains of King Stropharia (Stropharia
>rugosoannulata) are also growing on coniferous wood, especially firs. Has
>anybody ever seen one growing on firs, or tried to grow this species on
>coniferous wood himself ?

I grew it on fir chips outdoors.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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I bought the dowels from FP. And yes, I drill a bottle hole in the end of every log. It's much less work than burying them, imo. That, and I don't have the room to bury them right now in the basement where I have some rough control over the temp.

FH


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Re: Growing King Stropharia on firs? [Re: Anno]
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Quote:
I grew it on fir chips outdoors.



And ? Did it work ? What were the results ? Did you use the tek described in GGMM for growing them outdoors ?
Did you use a specials strain which was adapted to that medium ?

A lot of questions ...

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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: Fungushead]
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Please, keep us updated. I am really curious if this is going to work.

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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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Also Ganoderma lucidum grows naturally on firs.
(Thanks for the culture, BTW.  :thumbup:)


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Re: Growing mushrooms on firs? [Re: Speeker]
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Nice pic !
I thought that it is a different subspecies of Ganoderma lucidum that is growing on firs - just like Herecium erinaceus and Herecium abietis. But I cannot find that link anymore - have to do some more searching.

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Re: Growing King Stropharia on firs? [Re: ragadinks]
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>And ?
>Did it work ?
Yes.

>What were the results ?
Good.

>Did you use the tek described in GGMM for growing them outdoors ?
Yes.

>Did you use a specials strain which was adapted to that medium ?
No, I used the strain from Hawlik
http://www.pilzshop-online.de


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