dakaen said:

luvdemshrooms said:

dakaen said:

At no time did I say anyone should pay restitution. I said that such an act would not ever be able to make up for what happened. Now I did suggest that the Federal Government cede over more land to the tribes, which I believe is completely reasonable.

I'm uncertain how you could have read what I wrote and misunderstood so greatly.

I think you may be letting your emotions override you reasonable commonsense.

I'm not asking for anyone to pay for anything. I'm just asking for respect. Just as I would hope you respect the veterans who serve this country I would ask you respect those countless lives lost and destroyed for this country in the past as well. Can't you understand that?

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So giving them land and the admittance fees from parks isn't something you'd consider restitution?  Imagine that!

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That said I still think the tribes should be granted MUCH more land (perhaps just give them all the national parks; I think that would be a good start and give them a way to earn a living via tourism via entrance fees etc.; because as I've said most tribes hold the record for the highest poverty rates in America)

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Well look no private citizens own the national/state parks yes? The land was originally tribal land was it not? The native people use to take care of the land with much more care then we do today. I see no harm in ceding this land to them. Hell we just had to close down all the parks as a result of the government foul-up last year (or whenever the government shut down was; I believe it was last year though yes? lol) so I think that would be one of the easiest and smoothest restitution we could come up with. Rather then just giving the tribes money or organizing some kind of other bullshit lol. Come on man is there no way we can see eye to eye?

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dakaen said:

I totally hear what you're saying. But couldn't there be some way to have both? Perhaps cede the land to the tribes but maintain some kind of oversight (at least initially) to insure corruption doesn't lead to the destruction of the land.
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dakaen said:

BlindSophist said:

Parkland is leased out to ranchers, and park rangers and volunteers do tremendous amounts of conservation and maintenance work on those parks to keep their ecosystems vibrant and robust. It's typical for them to adapt the practices of the natives to the changing circumstances brought by the modern world. I've actually been learning about this a lot lately and it seems better to leave conservation of our parkland to volunteers than to corruptible institutions. We wouldn't want to be like Canada, trust me.

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I totally hear what you're saying. But couldn't there be some way to have both? Perhaps cede the land to the tribes but maintain some kind of oversight (at least initially) to insure corruption doesn't lead to the destruction of the land. (which I wouldn't put past some of the tribal elders; however I know many would rather die then let the land be destroyed/molested further)

It wouldn't be as easy as 1,2,3, here you go, here's all the parks, but more of a gradual shift of power and responsibility over to the tribes.

These are just ideas. But I don't see why they couldn't be implemented to help ease these problems as well as balance out the situation for the tribes a bit. As it is most of the tribal land is quite desolate if I'm not mistaken.

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dakaen said:

BlindSophist said:

Parkland is leased out to ranchers, and park rangers and volunteers do tremendous amounts of conservation and maintenance work on those parks to keep their ecosystems vibrant and robust. It's typical for them to adapt the practices of the natives to the changing circumstances brought by the modern world. I've actually been learning about this a lot lately and it seems better to leave conservation of our parkland to volunteers than to corruptible institutions. We wouldn't want to be like Canada, trust me.

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I totally hear what you're saying. But couldn't there be some way to have both? Perhaps cede the land to the tribes but maintain some kind of oversight (at least initially) to insure corruption doesn't lead to the destruction of the land. (which I wouldn't put past some of the tribal elders; however I know many would rather die then let the land be destroyed/molested further)

It wouldn't be as easy as 1,2,3, here you go, here's all the parks, but more of a gradual shift of power and responsibility over to the tribes.

These are just ideas. But I don't see why they couldn't be implemented to help ease these problems as well as balance out the situation for the tribes a bit. As it is most of the tribal land is quite desolate if I'm not mistaken.

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While were at it lets give back the land we won from Mexico to. Give me a break they lost and we won. Sorry thats how it goes.

Juicin said:

ThatKidWithTheFace said:

luvdemshrooms said:

Juicin said:

Are you fucking serious? There are black, brown, and red men and women all over this fucking country living who are owed because of harm due to racist policies.

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Those that actually owned slaves or killed Indians should of course pay reparations to those who actually were slaves or who were actually killed.

Other than that, years of special programs are enough.

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The Ecstatic said:

ThatKidWithTheFace said:

I don't believe anyone owes anyone anything, man. Not just this particular incident.

Lazy fuckers wantin' handouts.

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Have you ever been so lazy that you got sterilized and sent to an abusive foster home?

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Nah, but I've got some weed that made me almost that lazy

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Your ignorance is obvious already

What makes you think you have any idea what should happen, or that I care what you think?

You're demonstrably wrong

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akira_akuma said:

the Americans took slaves they were bigots.

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Gilgamesh18 said:

akira_akuma said:

the Americans took slaves they were bigots.

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Oh Akira did you watch that doc I recommended?

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akira_akuma said:

Gilgamesh18 said:

akira_akuma said:

the Americans took slaves they were bigots.

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Oh Akira did you watch that doc I recommended?

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it had been slow, i gave up trying to DL it. get me a link, online, an i'll watch it. otherwise, fuck my stupid ISP is stupid, and for some reason if i am downloading something on Utorrent i can't use my browser, as it doesn't load. so yeah, i dunno, i might try again later tonight, and i'll see if it downloads through the night. i tried, though... so i'll give it another go, and see we'll see then.

did you watch Titticut Follies. lol

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