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DoctorJ


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a public apology to all those of native/south american descent
#5578343 - 05/01/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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In the past, I have been predjudice against mexicans. I didn't realize this until I took a job in a mexican neighborhood. Every day, I would drive through this place and think: "Wow, what a bad neighborhood."
Then, I realized, this isn't such a bad neighborhood, it just happens to have a lot of mexican residents. Then I realized, boy I'm predjudice.
At first, I thought that this predjudice was justified. Mexicans seemed inconsiderate and slow witted to me. Also, I have theories about the genetics of mexicans. You see, Mexicans and native americans and south americans all came from china. They hiked across Siberia, crossed the Bering strait, hiked through Canada, and eventually settled in the Americas. By the time they got here, there probably weren't a whole lot of them left, due to the treacherous arctic conditions. IMO, it wasn't a very good idea for them to leave the fertile climate of china so they could come here.
But perhaps they undertook this trek because they were heeding the call of God. Because of mexicans, we have cheap labor in America. Mexicans do jobs that no one else will do. They pave roads, they paint houses, and they construct buildings. They stay in places loathed by men, and thus they come near the Tao. How humble, how noble. And their spirits are always high, despite the hardships they face. How arrogant and ignorant it was of me to judge them the way I did.
And so, I apologize, to all of you. You all have a special place in my heart, and I'm quite sure your hardships will be rewarded in the next life.
However, I do believe that Mexicans need to fix their country, for it is in ruins. The nation of Mexico should rise and be the proud brook of the world that it is capable of being.
Also, I think those Mexicans who are catholic should abandon the European culture that was forced on them at gunpoint, and go back to the rich cultural heritage of Aztecs, Toltecs, Incans, and Mayans. The last thing we need in this country is more proletarian Jesus freaks. So, Native Americans, South Americans, Central Americans, educate yourselves! Rise up and provide! You have my full support.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
#5578377 - 05/01/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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And their spirits are always high, despite the hardships they face.
this is what i loved the most about growing up in ecuador... no matter how shitty the situation they always had a smile on their faces... always good for a joke and a laugh... always singing and dancing... it is no wonder i feel more like a latino than a german (despite the color of my skin)... that country has given me so much... it has made me what it is... and hence i always feel more like myself when i speak spanish and hang around hispanic people than when i speak german and hang around with germans...
and you are right... they should abandon their imposed belief and go back to their roots... the wierd thing is, that the belief in south america has become a mix of a lot of religions... starting from mayan/incan/aztec over voodoo and catholicism...
so... this is for the people of the sun!
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
#5578398 - 05/01/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Racism is lame, any way you look at it, its a diseas of the mind.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
#5578443 - 05/01/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have lived in latino areas before (currently do as well). And I have found that they are proud people and work hard. rarely do you see homeless latinos in chicago, if ever - it's mostly black people and every once in awhile whites. I am under the impression that latinos would go labor for cash (if not find a steady job) than beg for change on the corner.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: Vvellum]
#5578476 - 05/01/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I will not apologize for 1,000,000 of evolution. Fact is we are beasts that will fear other beasts. We will hold deep predjists against things we do not understand. We will protect what we are comfortable with and reject things that are not. When the cave man of one valley walked into the valley of another...........they did what they were programed to do. Hate, fear, kill, protect etc...........
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5578499 - 05/01/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with not trusting....... nothing wrong with also coming to realise the fear based reactions of hate being part of the human nature. Same reason most animals segregate themselfs. Ethnic groups of all nationalities first stick together out of the common bonds and heritage then after time disperse into the mix of population wich is america, depends on how cultured you become.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
#5578537 - 05/01/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hum..............maybe you right. We have evolved as humans realizing our past is not our future.........I hope we make it
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5578574 - 05/01/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know at least I will for a while..... Dont know though, we really like to fuck with life, so why would life grant us life.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
#5578586 - 05/01/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: In(di)go]
#5580802 - 05/02/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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so... this is for the people of the sun!
I totally agree, mad props for Mexicans, Colombians, etc. and all the immigrants who help contribute to American society. Thanks! Also I agree that Mexico could be such a great country, if only it's people rallied around their shared cultural heritage.
I'm rambling now...
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: ToolTroll]
#5581110 - 05/02/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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forget the jesus thing, people have been jesusized across the world the only place that isnt corrupted is north korea and china probably.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
#5581122 - 05/02/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why go on the internet to apologise to a race of people who are for the most part out picking fruit and mowing lawns and don't even own calculators, let alone computers?
Other than that all the rich Mexicans who also like magic mushrooms and so were here to read that say "Aw shucks, don't worry about it man!"
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: Microcosmatrix] 1
#5581131 - 05/02/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is the worst thread ever.... for a multitude of reasons.
Also, worst posts ever.
Sometimes I wonder if you people ever go outside and try to get some reality on a situation.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5581472 - 05/02/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i enjoyed it, takes a real man to admit when hes wrong
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: fresh313]
#5581670 - 05/02/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been wrong many times, but as I get older, I find it happens less and less often.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
#5581714 - 05/02/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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its a learning process that game of life
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: fresh313]
#5581803 - 05/02/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The only thing I have witnessed relevant to this thread so far is that someone believes there is a universal truth that racism is wrong.
It is only another stereotype. I would urge you then to apologize to every person that you see walking down the street which you have a reaction to due to an instant stereotype you have perceived. Apologize to that guy running towards you in the dark alley with a crowbar. Apologize to that person who is in your back yard looking suspicious. Apologize to that person you honked at for driving slow.
I am a racist, and proud of it, because I don't bullshit myself into thinking that there is some universal truth. I don't feel like I need to bend to the eggshell emotions of society, nor should I change my perceptions and attitude towards people because it is deemed "unfair".... well what aspect of life has ever lead you to believe that life is in any way fair?
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5581821 - 05/02/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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racism is wrong, we're all the same your a scientologist dont u believe in DNA.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5581826 - 05/02/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I agree, practiacally everyone in north america hides behind a shell of toleration and multiculturalism. I have a lot of intolerant and predjudiced views, and I don't hide them irl.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: fresh313]
#5581992 - 05/02/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: racism is wrong, we're all the same your a scientologist dont u believe in DNA.
1) im not a Scientologist.
2) DNA is not the self, the ego, nor the mind.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5584467 - 05/03/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dna is not the mind u say.. is dna not the building blocks of life?? if we all come from the same twisting double helix configurations then how is anything about us physically or mentally different, in the real sense, im not talking about your fingerprints or eye color or skin color, thats not real stuff.
if you want to argue environmental factors thats another story, then be an environmentalismist but dont call it racism.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: fresh313]
#5585903 - 05/03/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What in hell does DNA have to do with racism anyway? One can argue that racism is a weakness of mind which may be genetic? Is that the thing?
Avoid putting too much faith in science solving mankind's filthiest habits and desires. It would be much like fighting the drug war I'm afraid.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5586538 - 05/03/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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psilocyberin said: I am a racist, and proud of it
Your proud of your failure to have an open mind?
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: gluke bastid]
#5587249 - 05/03/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What is open-minded about thinking yourself "non-racist"?
You are all kidding yourself if you believe that you are not a racist.
Lets say you are driving on the interstate, and someone cuts you off in the lane, nearly making you wreck, as you pass them honking and flipping them off you notice it is a woman on her cell phone. Wouldn't you at some point call her a dumb bitch? Well, if you saw a black person in that car, rather than a woman, what is the difference between calling him a nigger and her a dumb bitch? but if she was a black woman, and I thought/said "that dumb nigger", how would that be "worse"? It is merely a societal hype word with a conditioned reaction.
Like I have said many, many times before, Racism is just a weighted word that describes a certain stereotype. No one can present any reason why disliking someone based on the stereotype of their race, is worse than disliking someone based on the stereotype of their religion.
Notice that is it socially acceptable in America to say "French people suck goat balls", but if I were to say "Niggers suck goat balls" I would have a huge social backlash.
Let me ask you all this: what is more "ignorant" (read: hypocritical), hating someone based on their race, or hating someone because they hate someone because of their race?
Can't most of you PLUR hippies say that Hate=Hate no matter what the origin of it is?
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5587311 - 05/03/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just because people oppose racist views, does not mean that they "hate" the racist (or at least I don't). Hating racism is as useless and ignorant as hating a particular ethnicity.
It may be the natural reaction of the average person to call a woman a dumb bitch when one cuts him/her off, but that doesn't validate it. You don't live entirely by your instinct, do you? People have the ability to rationalize.
Rationally, it's impossible for every black person in the world to fit the black stereotype, and therefore it's useless and inaccurate to hate a black person for their color.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5587334 - 05/03/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Go Lenny Bruce!
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5589404 - 05/04/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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psilocyberin said: What is open-minded about thinking yourself "non-racist"?
You are all kidding yourself if you believe that you are not a racist.
I would never claim to be non racist. I'm an American, and a product of American culture, therefore I am racist.
I'm not, however, proud of this, as you claimed to be. I'm just honest about it. Yeah, I'm prejudiced. But I find that admitting it is the first step to overcoming it. The more you realize that prejudices enforce themselves and a racist outlook breeds more racism, the more you realize the opposite and that you have the power to confront racism and make it less real if you want to.
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psilocyberin said: Racism is just a weighted word that describes a certain stereotype. No one can present any reason why disliking someone based on the stereotype of their race, is worse than disliking someone based on the stereotype of their religion.
I can actually present a very simple reason. Race is something you are born with that carries with it no inherent ideology or behavior. Race is assigned significance through culture. The only things that everyone of a race have in common are physical. Religon on the other hand is an ideology that people adopt, and can be considered an extension of many internal things such as morality, worldview, or even politcal orientation. Personally I am much more comfortable disliking someone based on what they think than I am disliking someone based on how they look. I just don't think the way a person looks really betrays the important aspects of their soul.
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psilocyberin said: Notice that is it socially acceptable in America to say "French people suck goat balls", but if I were to say "Niggers suck goat balls" I would have a huge social backlash.
Why are you so scared of social backlash? If you really are proud of being racist, then flaunt it without apology. Just don't be surprised if people call you an asshole. Besides, what kind of a reaction do you expect to get from black people if you go around calling them niggers? "Oh yes massah you sho are right about me bein a nigga. I hates myself just as much as you do"
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psilocyberin said: Let me ask you all this: what is more "ignorant" (read: hypocritical), hating someone based on their race, or hating someone because they hate someone because of their race?
Can't most of you PLUR hippies say that Hate=Hate no matter what
This is a good point. And brings me back to my original point about recognizing hate and then trying to overcome it. Its just hard for me not to hate bigots because it seems like they are creating most of that original hate. Instead of trying to destroy socially constructed frameworks of hate, they celebrate them. And that gets me mad, just like when people celebrate President Bush.
So no I don't hate you, PLUR dude, I just get mad, and would like to see you realize as long as you believe black people are all the same and they are worthless nigger criminals, that is all you will see them as. But if you can force yourself (to make your world better) to try and see examples of black people as human beings I think you will be amazed just as I was.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: gluke bastid]
#5589599 - 05/04/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Black people are human beings. Therefore they suck just as bad as anyone else.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#5589630 - 05/04/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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psilocyberin said: I am a racist, and proud of it.
I have to agree with you there, Im racist against mexicans. I dont have a problem with blacks, or asians...although I realy dont like cubans. and dont get me started on towel heads. I realllly dont like pakastanians. they always call for bills wanting money, and you cant understand a damn word they say.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: gluke bastid]
#5589632 - 05/04/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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gluke bastid said:
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psilocyberin said: Racism is just a weighted word that describes a certain stereotype. No one can present any reason why disliking someone based on the stereotype of their race, is worse than disliking someone based on the stereotype of their religion.
I can actually present a very simple reason. Race is something you are born with that carries with it no inherent ideology or behavior. Race is assigned significance through culture. The only things that everyone of a race have in common are physical. Religon on the other hand is an ideology that people adopt, and can be considered an extension of many internal things such as morality, worldview, or even politcal orientation. Personally I am much more comfortable disliking someone based on what they think than I am disliking someone based on how they look. I just don't think the way a person looks really betrays the important aspects of their soul.
What about Jewish people?
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5589742 - 05/04/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm a german jew
also, I'm blackanese
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
#5590450 - 05/04/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't generalize, not all mexicans are like the ones working there.
Mexican society is a complex subject, mainly cause of the european influences, race mixing and other important ingredients. I have mainly portuguese / french blood but i was born here (an so was my family for at least 3 generations above).
People here don't know what to feel of themselves, it is something serious because we are talking about social identity loss. Many have written about it but there is no easy solution as "The nation of Mexico should rise and be the proud brook of the world that it is capable of being. "
This is third world and many phenomena manifest in this lands, economical and political interestes are above all.
peace
BTW. America is the whole continent. The USA are on North America and so is Mexico. I know u use America to name ur land but technically speaking im american too ^_^
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
#5590839 - 05/04/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fucknuckle said: I will not apologize for 1,000,000 of evolution. Fact is we are beasts that will fear other beasts. We will hold deep predjists against things we do not understand. We will protect what we are comfortable with and reject things that are not. When the cave man of one valley walked into the valley of another...........they did what they were programed to do. Hate, fear, kill, protect etc...........
I don't believe that at all. If the cave man was that hateful and fearful, we wouldn't exist. They would have killed each other off and become extinct and we wouldn't be here to talk about it.
they were that hateful. and they were that fearful. the fear is what kept them from getting into too many brawls n shit. people would travel where they wouldnt be attacked while others would attack anyone who entered their territory...  its the balance of hate and fear which has made us survive this long.
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
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