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Offlinefresh313
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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5584467 - 05/03/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dna is not the mind u say..
is dna not the building blocks of life??
if we all come from the same twisting double helix configurations
then how is anything about us physically or mentally different, in the real sense, im not talking about your fingerprints or eye color or skin color, thats not real stuff.

if you want to argue environmental factors thats another story, then be an environmentalismist but dont call it racism.


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: fresh313]
    #5585903 - 05/03/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What in hell does DNA have to do with racism anyway? One can argue that racism is a weakness of mind which may be genetic? Is that the thing?

Avoid putting too much faith in science solving mankind's filthiest habits and desires. It would be much like fighting the drug war I'm afraid.


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5586538 - 05/03/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
I am a racist, and proud of it




Your proud of your failure to have an open mind?


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5587249 - 05/03/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

What is open-minded about thinking yourself "non-racist"?

You are all kidding yourself if you believe that you are not a racist.

Lets say you are driving on the interstate, and someone cuts you off in the lane, nearly making you wreck, as you pass them honking and flipping them off you notice it is a woman on her cell phone. Wouldn't you at some point call her a dumb bitch? Well, if you saw a black person in that car, rather than a woman, what is the difference between calling him a nigger and her a dumb bitch? but if she was a black woman, and I thought/said "that dumb nigger", how would that be "worse"? It is merely a societal hype word with a conditioned reaction.

Like I have said many, many times before, Racism is just a weighted word that describes a certain stereotype. No one can present any reason why disliking someone based on the stereotype of their race, is worse than disliking someone based on the stereotype of their religion.

Notice that is it socially acceptable in America to say "French people suck goat balls", but if I were to say "Niggers suck goat balls" I would have a huge social backlash.

Let me ask you all this: what is more "ignorant" (read: hypocritical), hating someone based on their race, or hating someone because they hate someone because of their race?

Can't most of you PLUR hippies say that Hate=Hate no matter what the origin of it is?


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5587311 - 05/03/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just because people oppose racist views, does not mean that they "hate" the racist (or at least I don't). Hating racism is as useless and ignorant as hating a particular ethnicity.

It may be the natural reaction of the average person to call a woman a dumb bitch when one cuts him/her off, but that doesn't validate it. You don't live entirely by your instinct, do you? People have the ability to rationalize.

Rationally, it's impossible for every black person in the world to fit the black stereotype, and therefore it's useless and inaccurate to hate a black person for their color.


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5587334 - 05/03/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Go Lenny Bruce!


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5589404 - 05/04/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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What is open-minded about thinking yourself "non-racist"?

You are all kidding yourself if you believe that you are not a racist.





I would never claim to be non racist. I'm an American, and a product of American culture, therefore I am racist.

I'm not, however, proud of this, as you claimed to be. I'm just honest about it. Yeah, I'm prejudiced. But I find that admitting it is the first step to overcoming it. The more you realize that prejudices enforce themselves and a racist outlook breeds more racism, the more you realize the opposite and that you have the power to confront racism and make it less real if you want to.

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Racism is just a weighted word that describes a certain stereotype. No one can present any reason why disliking someone based on the stereotype of their race, is worse than disliking someone based on the stereotype of their religion.




I can actually present a very simple reason. Race is something you are born with that carries with it no inherent ideology or behavior. Race is assigned significance through culture. The only things that everyone of a race have in common are physical. Religon on the other hand is an ideology that people adopt, and can be considered an extension of many internal things such as morality, worldview, or even politcal orientation.
Personally I am much more comfortable disliking someone based on what they think than I am disliking someone based on how they look. I just don't think the way a person looks really betrays the important aspects of their soul.

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Notice that is it socially acceptable in America to say "French people suck goat balls", but if I were to say "Niggers suck goat balls" I would have a huge social backlash.





Why are you so scared of social backlash? If you really are proud of being racist, then flaunt it without apology. Just don't be surprised if people call you an asshole. Besides, what kind of a reaction do you expect to get from black people if you go around calling them niggers? "Oh yes massah you sho are right about me bein a nigga. I hates myself just as much as you do"

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Let me ask you all this: what is more "ignorant" (read: hypocritical), hating someone based on their race, or hating someone because they hate someone because of their race?

Can't most of you PLUR hippies say that Hate=Hate no matter what




This is a good point. And brings me back to my original point about recognizing hate and then trying to overcome it. Its just hard for me not to hate bigots because it seems like they are creating most of that original hate. Instead of trying to destroy socially constructed frameworks of hate, they celebrate them. And that gets me mad, just like when people celebrate President Bush.

So no I don't hate you, PLUR dude, I just get mad, and would like to see you realize as long as you believe black people are all the same and they are worthless nigger criminals, that is all you will see them as. But if you can force yourself (to make your world better) to try and see examples of black people as human beings I think you will be amazed just as I was.


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5589599 - 05/04/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Black people are human beings. Therefore they suck just as bad as anyone else.


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5589630 - 05/04/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

psilocyberin said:
I am a racist, and proud of it.

I have to agree with you there, Im racist against mexicans. I dont have a problem with blacks, or asians...although I realy dont like cubans. and dont get me started on towel heads. I realllly dont like pakastanians. they always call for bills wanting money, and you cant understand a damn word they say.


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Man takes advantage of who he is,nature is his home, where he evolved from. So why does he turn it down, defy, and mutalate his birth ground? why does he spread disease, murder his native animals,rape and torture his land, and still feel descent of who he is? live a life that is not true? excepts an artificial home?


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5589632 - 05/04/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
Racism is just a weighted word that describes a certain stereotype. No one can present any reason why disliking someone based on the stereotype of their race, is worse than disliking someone based on the stereotype of their religion.




I can actually present a very simple reason. Race is something you are born with that carries with it no inherent ideology or behavior. Race is assigned significance through culture. The only things that everyone of a race have in common are physical. Religon on the other hand is an ideology that people adopt, and can be considered an extension of many internal things such as morality, worldview, or even politcal orientation.
Personally I am much more comfortable disliking someone based on what they think than I am disliking someone based on how they look. I just don't think the way a person looks really betrays the important aspects of their soul.





What about Jewish people?


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #5589742 - 05/04/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a german jew

also, I'm blackanese

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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5590450 - 05/04/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Don't generalize, not all mexicans are like the ones working there.

Mexican society is a complex subject, mainly cause of the european influences, race mixing and other important ingredients. I have mainly portuguese / french blood but i was born here (an so was my family for at least 3 generations above).

People here don't know what to feel of themselves, it is something serious because we are talking about social identity loss. Many have written about it but there is no easy solution as "The nation of Mexico should rise and be the proud brook of the world that it is capable of being. "

This is third world and many phenomena manifest in this lands, economical and political interestes are above all.

peace

BTW. America is the whole continent. The USA are on North America and so is Mexico. I know u use America to name ur land but technically speaking im american too ^_^


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5590839 - 05/04/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ShrooMinToXicate said:
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Fucknuckle said:
I will not apologize for 1,000,000 of evolution. Fact is we are beasts that will fear other beasts. We will hold deep predjists against things we do not understand. We will protect what we are comfortable with and reject things that are not. When the cave man of one valley walked into the valley of another...........they did what they were programed to do. Hate, fear, kill, protect etc...........



I don't believe that at all. If the cave man was that hateful and fearful, we wouldn't exist. They would have killed each other off and become extinct and we wouldn't be here to talk about it.





they were that hateful. and they were that fearful. the fear is what kept them from getting into too many brawls n shit. people would travel where they wouldnt be attacked while others would attack anyone who entered their territory...  :thumbup:
its the balance of hate and fear which has made us survive this long.


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Re: a public apology to all those of native/south american descent [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5590892 - 05/04/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:kiss:


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