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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: clock_of_omens]
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clock_of_omens said:
Health care should be free. I don't see how any decent person would think that health care is some kind of privilege.

Edit: I didn't see the second page before posting this.


Free?  Health care is never free.  Somebody has to pay for it and I would rather not pay for yours.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: clock_of_omens]
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clock_of_omens said:
Shins said:
clock_of_omens said:
Health care should be free. I don't see how any decent person would think that health care is some kind of privilege.

Edit: I didn't see the second page before posting this.



Theonly wsy health care would be free is if doctors work for free.  Do you think they ever will?


I didn't mean literally free, just provided by the government. I only said free in response to whoever sarcastically said that we should vote for whoever is offering the most free stuff.


It isn't provided by the government.  It is provided by taxpayers.  Regular people who you would to stick up and take from in order to provide you with something you want.  Fuck that.  I'd rather light a cigar with a C-note than buy you anything with it.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
On the flip side most americans would not support shops that push racial segregation.


But Americans would support racial segregation.  Even though most Americans claim they're against it, they supported it while it existed.  Hence, the Civil Rights Act was passed because free markets didn't fix things on their own.  That's why most laws are passed.


They support it now

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/new-york-schools-segregated_n_5034455.html

The Nation's Most Segregated Schools Aren't Where You'd Think They'd Be


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: zappaisgod]
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As usual the left is bleating on about how they love their handouts and will keep voting for them no matter how immoral it is or who it hurts. Until the whole pyramid scheme comes falling down, they will support it. When it does collapse, they will blame it on gop just like they blame everything now.

There is no free lunch.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Stonehenge]
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Quote:
There is no free lunch.


You're wrong there. Food stamps gives me a free breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: BlackWidow]
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Free to you is not free.  Some schmuck paid for your lunch and it probably had vast societal costs because otherwise productive people had to expend effort to make sure you got your dole and that you were eligible.  I was going to write that you they worked to make sure you weren't a scamming fuck but that would be silly.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Free to you is not free.  Some schmuck paid for your lunch and it probably had vast societal costs because otherwise productive people had to expend effort to make sure you got your dole and that you were eligible.  I was going to write that you they worked to make sure you weren't a scamming fuck but that would be silly.


Was being sarcastic.

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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: BlackWidow]
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Why should employers pay a living wage when they can rely on Government assistance to cover their shortfall?  (was also being sarcastic)


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Why should employers pay a living wage when they can rely on Government assistance to cover their shortfall?  (was also being sarcastic)


It may be sarcastic but it also makes sense. I see no reason every employer should have to guarantee the good life for all those who work for them. Govt is in the business, apparently, of doing handouts and freebies to get votes. Business is in business to make money, if they dont they have to close up shop. Some people do not produce enough value to justify a high wage and if govt wants to make up the difference thats up to them. We have too much of the entitlement mentality in this country.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
It may be sarcastic but it also makes sense. I see no reason every employer should have to guarantee the good life for all those who work for them. Govt is in the business, apparently, of doing handouts and freebies to get votes. Business is in business to make money, if they dont they have to close up shop. Some people do not produce enough value to justify a high wage and if govt wants to make up the difference thats up to them. We have too much of the entitlement mentality in this country.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
I see no reason every employer should have to guarantee the good life for all those who work for them.


No.  Not the good life, a living wage.

Government shouldn't be in the business of giving everyone the good life either.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Please define "living wage"


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Please define "living wage"


Enough to cover food, shelter, utilities, clothing, and healthcare in the area where a person lives.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Please define "living wage"


Enough to cover food, shelter, utilities, clothing, and healthcare in the area where a person lives.


Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Please define "living wage"


Enough to cover food, shelter, utilities, clothing, and healthcare in the area where a person lives.


If that worker is so useless that he can't even produce enough for a corporation to justify a living wage society would be better off without him.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Please define "living wage"


Enough to cover food, shelter, utilities, clothing, and healthcare in the area where a person lives.


Cable (or was that included in utilities) too? What about a car?  Anything else you think useful people should be raped to provide for bums?

Do you think anybody should be responsible for providing anything at all for themselves?


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Please define "living wage"


Enough to cover food, shelter, utilities, clothing, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, a big screen TV, cable, an i-phone, steak and lobster meals, a nice car, car insurance, the lifestyle of a doctor, and healthcare in the area where a person lives.


There, fixed it for ya.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: starfire_xes]
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Lol, what would we do without fal to beat on? He gives us such setups its hard to resist.

>Enough to cover food, shelter, utilities, clothing, and healthcare in the area where a person lives.

What if they choose to live in a high cost area like nyc or san fran? We should subsidize their choice of venue as well as everything they want whether they produce enough to justify it or not? Is that socialism or communism? I get confused between the two.

You do realize that if laws were passed to bring about what you want, companies simply would not hire anyone who was not a high level producer. Your bum on min wage would be a bum without a job. Now the govt has to subsidize the whole thing, according to you. Where does it end?

Companies might choose not to locate in high cost areas, they figure in all factors and that would be one of them. The more you use govt to bully business into paying more than they should, not only does that produce more offshoring but it also eliminates jobs and raises prices. Someone has to pay for your pie in the sky, who do you think it will be? You, along with all consumers.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
If that worker is so useless that he can't even produce enough for a corporation to justify a living wage society the corporation would be better off without him.


Fixed that for you.  Corporations would be foolish to keep useless people.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Stonehenge]
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Not for nothing but fal is way better than the run of the mill bum panderer.  He keeps me sharp.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Cable (or was that included in utilities) too? What about a car?  Anything else you think useful people should be raped to provide for bums?


I didn't include any of those things, do think they should be?

zappaisgod said:
Do you think anybody should be responsible for providing anything at all for themselves?


Of course.  I think everyone should provide for themselves.  But they can't do it if they're not paid a living wage.  If a corporation doesn't think they're worth that little, then the corporation shouldn't keep them.


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