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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I (along with every other liberal I know) would have much preferred a single payer system to the Romneycare model, so no one would be stuck with premiums. :shrug:


Which is also the antithesis of freedom


So we're more 'free' when a lot of us can't afford health care?


What does what you can afford have to do with freedom?


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: zappaisgod]
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I suppose it gives you the freedom to die a lot younger.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I don't think you know the meaning of the word freedom falcon.  Makes sense.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I suppose it gives you the freedom to die a lot younger.


I should be able to have that freedom if I want it.

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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Shins]
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The libertarian definition of freedom is definitely different from my own.  Theirs is freedom to pollute, freedom to discriminate, freedom to be uneducated, freedom to be oppressed...

That's not freedom to me. :shrug:


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: BlackWidow]
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BlackWidow said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I suppose it gives you the freedom to die a lot younger.


I should be able to have that freedom if I want it.


What if I don't want to die young?  Tough shit, huh?


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
BlackWidow said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I suppose it gives you the freedom to die a lot younger.


I should be able to have that freedom if I want it.


What if I don't want to die young?  Tough shit, huh?


Not my fucking problem.  I suggest you endeavor to provide for your own needs.  I paid for enough children.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The libertarian definition of freedom is definitely different from my own.  Theirs is freedom to pollute, freedom to discriminate, freedom to be uneducated, freedom to be oppressed...

That's not freedom to me. :shrug:


Freedom to pollute?

Okay you have no idea what libertarianism is.

Your rights end where others begin. Sure, some issues are not clear cut, but pollution is not of them.

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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: BlackWidow]
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BlackWidow said:
Freedom to pollute?

Okay you have no idea what libertarianism is.

Your rights end where others begin. Sure, some issues are not clear cut, but pollution is not of them.


So would I be forced to drive a smog free vehicle in a libertarian society?


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
BlackWidow said:
Freedom to pollute?

Okay you have no idea what libertarianism is.

Your rights end where others begin. Sure, some issues are not clear cut, but pollution is not of them.


So would I be forced to drive a smog free vehicle in a libertarian society?


Of course not.  Nobody is going to make you drive anything.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Of course not.  Nobody is going to make you drive anything.


That dodges the question.  If I want to drive a car, can I drive a car without all the expensive smog controls in it?


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Of course not.  Nobody is going to make you drive anything.


That dodges the question.  If I want to drive a car, can I drive a car without all the expensive smog controls in it?


Of course you can.  They sell them at auctions all the time
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The libertarian definition of freedom is definitely different from my own.  Theirs is freedom to pollute, freedom to discriminate, freedom to be uneducated, freedom to be oppressed...

That's not freedom to me. :shrug:


You don't seem to know the meaning of libertarian either...


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
BlackWidow said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I suppose it gives you the freedom to die a lot younger.


I should be able to have that freedom if I want it.


What if I don't want to die young?  Tough shit, huh?


No, you work to better yourself like any other self respecting person.

theft does not count as freedom.

your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins.

I don't know where you get the twisted idea that depriving the rights and freedoms of others to benefit you or your constituents counts as freedom.  Theft is depriving another of freedom.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
BlackWidow said:
Freedom to pollute?

Okay you have no idea what libertarianism is.

Your rights end where others begin. Sure, some issues are not clear cut, but pollution is not of them.


So would I be forced to drive a smog free vehicle in a libertarian society?


No, but if your smog negatively affects me or my property Id be able to claim damages against you.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
zappaisgod said:
Of course not.  Nobody is going to make you drive anything.


That dodges the question.  If I want to drive a car, can I drive a car without all the expensive smog controls in it?



You do whatever you want as long as you aren't harming others.

Now im 100% sure you don't know the meaning of freedom as I just had to spell it out for you above.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So would I be forced to drive a smog free vehicle in a libertarian society?


No, but if your smog negatively affects me or my property Id be able to claim damages against you.


My one car isn't going to effect your health one bit.  But if millions of cars are emitting smog, your health will be effected a lot.  So if I drive my smog emitting car, can you claim damages against me?


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (06/11/14 01:06 AM)

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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Shins said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So would I be forced to drive a smog free vehicle in a libertarian society?


No, but if your smog negatively affects me or my property Id be able to claim damages against you.


My one car isn't going to effect your health one bit.  But if millions of cars are emitting smog, your health will be effected a lot.  So if I drive my smog emitting car, can you claim damages against me?


Then there is reason to put smog restrictions like we have today. Not that complicated.

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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: BlackWidow]
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BlackWidow said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Shins said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So would I be forced to drive a smog free vehicle in a libertarian society?


No, but if your smog negatively affects me or my property Id be able to claim damages against you.


My one car isn't going to effect your health one bit.  But if millions of cars are emitting smog, your health will be effected a lot.  So if I drive my smog emitting car, can you claim damages against me?


Then there is reason to put smog restrictions like we have today. Not that complicated.


Cool.  Then we're not as far apart as everyone seems to think.


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Re: Florida Libertarian US House Candidate Polling at 31℅ [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Health care should be free. I don't see how any decent person would think that health care is some kind of privilege.

Edit: I didn't see the second page before posting this.


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