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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: start25]
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start25 said:
I haven't read anything about the conspirator's trying to add chemicals to gas, but I think it's possible, and true that living in small enclosed places with poulltion changes your brain activity.  I also think that television is a complteley controlled mode of media designed specifically to dumb us down, and I mean both the tv set itself and the "programming." have you ever read any of the scientific reports about the early experiments with tv, well to sum them up they basically report that they turn us into mindless zombies with severely decreased mental capacities.  I still watch it though sadly. 


I'm reminded of this Far Side Comic I saw long ago, of two pics, one of a small group of cavemen sittin around a fire, just staring at the fire...and the adjacent pic of a small family of people sitting around a telivision...just staring at the telivision...lol

but anyways, on your quote, you said "  I also think that television is a complteley controlled mode of media designed specifically to dumb us down, and I mean both the tv set itself and the "programming." "
I think that telivision was created originally and soley for entertainment purposes...but as everything, it turned out to have its ups and downs, pros and cons...its cons being that it does, "Dumb us down" like you said, in a lot of ways...but what if you just watch nothing but Discovery channel, TLC, and PBS and the Animal Planet? :smirk: 


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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Even though i agree that alot of people are getting fucked in this economy it really isnt that bad of a system. I love music, videogames and movies. I know they take the money i work hard for but those things cost alot of money to make and im glad to work for them because without them life would suck. What i do hate is when economy takes priority over everything, life, goverment, laws ect. And thats in the country we live in now, driven by economy, the main reason why Marijuana is illegal. But if you hate to give your money out to these fat bastards then you always have the oportunity to start your own buisness in this country. If you want to drop out of school to sell drugs and get convicted its really no ones fault but yourself for playing it stupid.


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: whole9]
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Whole9, you are so right about city thinking vs. nature thinking. pollutants do cloud your mind and thoughts. i live in the heart of a major metropolitan city, but must leave every weekend to the country to relax and clear my head.

whole9 said:
Yup were fucked. Thats why im trying to convince my parents to live far away from civilization, and aquire a nice parcel of land that they can sustain life on then grow from the earth, and live free. Becuase seriously if you notice in large metropolitan areas people are crazy. The car exhaust, and airplane fuel all comes from the oil companies, which the rich elite controll. They put certain chemicals in the oil that eventually get into our system when we breath small ammounts of the exhaust. These chemicals do somthing to our thoughts, and somehow controll us into thinking less, but acting more. We are definatly not at our full potential in the cities. I gaurentee you, that you would feel smarter if you were closer to nature, and cleaner air. If you can die from standing in your garage while your car is running for a few minutes then why the fuck are we putting that shit in our atmosphere. God its so obvious is sickens me.


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Dgrepo]
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Dgrepo said:
Whole9, you are so right about city thinking vs. nature thinking. pollutants do cloud your mind and thoughts. i live in the heart of a major metropolitan city, but must leave every weekend to the country to relax and clear my head.



So, there is still an environment in Texas? I thought Bush took care of that a long time ago?! ?shrugs?

Reminds me of that Simpsons episdode, with the Republican meeting, with like Mr. Burns, Count Dracula, Raineer Wolfcastle, The Rich Texan, Krusty the Clown, and Bob Dole. Mr. Burns asks what act of true evil they should commit this month, and The Rich Texan is all like "Well, why don't we get rid of the environment? Hell, we got rid of it in Texas and everyone's happier for it!"
Muahaha. :grin:
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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: fireworks_god]
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On the assumption 'them' do not exist, here's a bunch of bastards that do:

Click here to meet them


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Alan Stone]
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We are slaves to our own fear of wildness. Our fear that if we stop being domestic, stop being workers and start living passionately, honestly and connected to ourselves and the world around us that we won't survive because our system will topple. Yeah, if we stop contributing to the farce of a system we've created it will indeed topple but that would hardly be a sad thing.

We're afraid to acknowledge what we really want (wild freedom and fulfillment) because if we take the time and strength to do so we won't be able to take part in the very thing we've come to depend on to live. Money is a huge part of this, but where the problem really lies is that we oppress ourselves and don't even realize it. We're unconcious supporters of what makes us sick.

If we want to stop this, we must take a step back from the lies we're dependant on and we must start building the communities we really want.

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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: NiamhNyx]
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Ok, lets pretend for a minute that we all buy up a piece of land to live off of and we quit our jobs and burn down everywhere we used to work/ buy stuff. Then you (bieng a greenthumb) have more food than youre family could possibly eat, so you trade some to another guy for a cow.
Still youre producing way more than you need so you open a small grocery store, you get tired of converting chickens to corn and milk to eggs so you develop a standard "money" to trade with, so you dont have to remember that 5 eggs = 11 ears of corn. youre business soars and you open new shops, as do others with various goods and services.

Economy is unavoidable. we would eventually end up right back where we are now, with lazy hippies that dont want to work and want to "live off the land". you wanna live off the land, become a forest ranger, you can earn your LIVEing OFF of helping THE LAND. For anyone with strong will and determination the sky is the limit in this country. If your job is so horrible DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO to be where you wanna be, even a hippie can find a rewarding and satisfying career here (I did, and Im a hippie)

>>But if you hate to give your money out to these fat bastards then you always have the oportunity to start your own buisness in this country.

Exactly, were tired of working jobs that we hate so we can buy shit we dont need. So we make soap from old lady fat and beat each other up at night, its the american dream.


>>If we want to stop this, we must take a step back from the lies we're dependant on and we must start building the communities we really want.

Be careful what you wish for.

weve all seen survivor right? people get pissed because some people work harder than others. Money makes it fair, I dont care if some guys too lazy to keep a job because hes not gettin as much money as those who are willing to work to help themselves. But then welfare comes in and fucks that up.

To all who read this entire post im sorry, and im sleepy. Please dont take my hippie ranting the wrong way, Id rather hang out with thirty hippies than one personal financial analyst.


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Fick_Duck]
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I don't think that you get the point my friend. First of all, to say that an economy such as the one we currently have is unavoidable is very naive. How old is our culture? 10,000 max. That's bringing it right back to the industrial revolution. How old is our species? Vastly older than 10,000 I can guarantee you. How long have we been exploiting the land for our own ends? Again,it began roughly 10,000 years ago (wasn't drastically serious until a few centuries/millenia later...) Civilization is very young and in its short lifespan it's almost completely wiped out all the "resources" of the planet. We've got maybe a century, if even, to continue our unrelenting rape of the Earth.

I'm not proposing we chill out on the materialism just because I think it's a silly distraction from what's truly important (even though it is.) I'm saying we need to slow down NOW because if we don't our crash will be so intense that it's unlikely our species, or many other complex species will survive. If you want a planet inhabited by nothing but bacterium fine, lets continue to rape and pillage the Earth, but I'm not looking forward to that era. Personally, I've made it my mission to at least make the fall of our civilization soft. It is going to eat itself out of house and home, but I'd like very much to have something left when we must face this facade and learn how to survive all over again.

Your comment was completely arrogant and uninformed using transparent fallacies as cannon fodder. You may want to rethink the way you present your arguments coz they're pretty ignorant as it stands.

Money makes it fair eh? Is it fair that children have to sell thier bodies for money, and at that don't even get enough to feed themselves? Is it fair that the VAST majority of the Earth's population is in poverty, subjugated by and for a tiny minority of the filthy rich? Money hardly makes anything fair.

If *you* were ever a hippie you sure sold out.

Our economy is a death-trap for every single living being that inhabits planet Earth. That isn't to say that we should have no economy, simply one that is drastically, severely different than the one we currently have.

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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: NiamhNyx]
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Yeah Native Americans survived for a long time without this economic system so i dont think its inevetible, well, maybe just for fat money hungry Americans....................


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Spokesman]
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Native Americans had wampum didnt they?

(I realize that it sucks to lump all the different tribes into one group since they all had their own thing, but what can you do)

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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Geeno]
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yeah im not saying they didnt have some kind of currency but compare it to the advertising frenzy that is our economy. What i was trying to prove that an economy in the state that ours is is not completly inevetible.


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Spokesman]
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The currency isn't the issue, it is our effects on our planet. The Native American's trading and monetary systems (sea shells, gems, furs, etc.... it was almost completely trading, basically) didn't adversely effect the environment. The Native Americans lived in perfect harmony with nature; they realized the part they should play to keep balance and they played that part skillfully.
Peace.


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: fireworks_god]
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Thats untill Christians came from the East!!! :devil: 


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Spokesman]
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there are so many myths about the native americans it's ridiculous.

one is that they didn't practice agriculture much (they did on a rather wide scale), they had little or no government (they did), and they didn't have much trade and commerce (they had highly developed trade networks).

most people are of the general impression that the natives were far less "advanced" then they really were.

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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Spokesman]
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Every institution of our culture, be it our economy, our religions, our education system, and on and on, serves the specific purpose of repressing our wild nature, our innate tribal knowledge, and making us become our own repressors. "I'd like to see the world [create art, pursue spiritual paths, grow a garden, dance in the streets] but I have to work this job I hate in order to survive and I don't have time for what I truly want to do." And through that repression we act out against each other and other life forms, repressing them so that they can't flaunt the freedom we no longer have. It's a vicious circle, and it starts at birth. We domesticate ourselves and all life surrounding us and then we think the problems of the world come from people or other creatures not being civilized *enough*.

Edited by NiamhNyx (10/05/03 01:00 PM)

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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: ]
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I was watching a movie in Anthro last week, and it was about the !Kung tribe in Africa. An anthropologist has been studying them since he was 17, so nearly 50+ years. Anyway, its remarkable to see how they went from a self-sufficiant, nomadic tribe to a greedy, money hungry group after whites introduced money into their lives. It was really depressing; where once a tribe had flourished on their way of life: sharing with everyone, hunting and gathering, now no one shard, no one hunted, and everyone argued over who had more money.



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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: ]
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mushmaster said:
there are so many myths about the native americans it's ridiculous.

one is that they didn't practice agriculture much (they did on a rather wide scale), they had little or no government (they did), and they didn't have much trade and commerce (they had highly developed trade networks).

most people are of the general impression that the natives were far less "advanced" then they really were.


Not really. I thought it was a more generally accepted idea now that we really screwed them over and their system, and that it was highly evolved and perfectly in balance... no one is denying their extensive trade and agriculture (some tribes more than others, like the Sioux would be mainly hunters, but like others were more involved with growing their food and hunting small game).

It all depended on the land that they were in. Native Americans adopted to the places they lived in. Perfect balance.
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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: whole9]
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Viewing an unfortunate paradigm as though we are it's victim is not logical. Our society has centered around itself around the ideal of competition, of dominating our peers through intimidation. It is a central objective to be the first to receive such prizes as food, luxury, and fertile women. The female and all things feminine are felt to be subservient to the nuts-and-bolts mentality of the masculine. It is much like the system upon which our primate cousins still thrive, and it has been with us since the dawn of human conciousness.

Humans have developed so rapidly and in such an emotive way that our growth has recently catylized the gradual obsolescence of the multi-tiered, class-based hierarchy of hunters, gatherers, leaders and followers. It's this which rests at the root of systemic problems like hunger, disease, poverty, crime, and war. If we analyze the history of our species backward through the lense of time, we'll discover that there is a parallel between the psycho-social phenomenon of each civil era to that of the maturation of an individual human child. It's my belief that human kind is struggling through a period of adolescence, wrought with confusion, egoism, and frantic self-grasping.

I believe that human kind is coming to grips with it's identity. The chaos this brings to an individual, when enlarged to the global scale, will bring immeasurably terrifying -- but necessary -- suffering. Everything is on track. The days ahead are beautiful, peaceful, symbiotic, and joyous. Instead of meditating on apprehension, let us celebrate our capacity to feel.


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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Ped]
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Great stuff, Ped!

Can't say much more to that. :grin:
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Re: We are definatly slaves to money. [Re: Ped]
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I don't think we're growing up, or on track like you claim. What I've observed is that we're consistantly becoming more isolated, more distracted and more psychotic. At the same time, there's a rift. There are people that are stepping back and rejecting this. Some call it evolving, I call it embracing our wild nature (which has always been part of us so how can that be evolution?)

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