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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Phred]
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The problem is, you can only do whatever you want until whatever you want to do runs up against what the government says you can't do. All I point out is that you run up against that wall sooner in Canada than you do in the US.

No, see I really don't think that's the case. I don't know a lot of people who won't do something just because it's illegal. I don't mean that people go around breaking every law they can, but that the reason people don't do certain things here is more because it's what we feel is right and not because of what the government is telling us to do.

I think we let "them" do what they want, and we go and do what we want anyway.


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism writes:

I'd gladly pay higher taxes for free healthcare. The cheapest healthcare through my job was $50 a month, and I simply couldn't afford it after taxes and all my bills.

Your tax burden and payroll deductions to cover Canada's socialized healthcare will come to more than $600.00 a year. Far more.

pinky


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: trendal]
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trendal writes:

I don't mean that people go around breaking every law they can, but that the reason people don't do certain things here is more because it's what we feel is right and not because of what the government is telling us to do.

I think we let "them" do what they want, and we go and do what we want anyway.

Try running your own business in Canada for a year, then get back to me.

pinky


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Phred]
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The big difference I think in our views of Canada is that you seem to like and enjoy money, while I don't care for it much at all.

I don't want to be rich. The government takes about 1/7 to 1/5 of my paycheque. I don't make that much, granted, but I like it that way and I don't have to work very hard for what I do get. If I wanted to make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year...I would move to the US.

Losing 1/7th of my paycheque to be guaranteed access to health care, whether I'm working and paying taxes or unemployed, is perfectly fine for me.

Maybe it's not for everyone, that's fine. Don't move to Canada if you don't want to pay like this.

But personally, I'm fine with it. I'd gladly give even 1/3 of my paycheque (well if wages were higher, otherwise I couldn't survive on what I make) to know that my fellow citizens and human beings are getting the SAME health care that I am, no matter how much or little money they have. I do not believe that money, of all things, should determine the level and ammount of medical care a person gets.

And again, yes our system needs work...but I think the fact that we have such a large and universally accessible public health system is a huge starting point.


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Phred]
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pinksharkmark said:
Shroomism writes:

I'd gladly pay higher taxes for free healthcare. The cheapest healthcare through my job was $50 a month, and I simply couldn't afford it after taxes and all my bills.

Your tax burden and payroll deductions to cover Canada's socialized healthcare will come to more than $600.00 a year. Far more.

pinky


Didn't you read about my 2 hour trip to the emergency room? $900 for a couple pints of water. I should have gone to the hospital about seven other times that year, but I didn't cause I was broke. I'll happily pay far more than 600 a year for healthcare if it means free trips to the hospital.


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: trendal]
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trendal writes:

The big difference I think in our views of Canada is that you seem to like and enjoy money, while I don't care for it much at all.

Actually, I like and enjoy freedom. There is less of that in Canada than there is in the US.

I don't want to be rich. The government takes about 1/7 to 1/5 of my paycheque. I don't make that much, granted, but I like it that way and I don't have to work very hard for what I do get. If I wanted to make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year...I would move to the US.

If you add in the GST and PST charged on virtually everything you buy, you will find that far more than 20% of your annual income goes to the government. Here's an experiment that will shock you -- for one month, keep every receipt for everything you buy. At the end of the month, add up the amount of GST and PST. Add that to your payroll deductions, then run your percentage calculation again.

If you intend to have a family someday, or buy a house rather than pouring rent money down the drain for the next 50 or 60 years, or even simply provide for your own retirement, you will find that working a job where the taxes are that low just won't cut it. You can do it for a few years when you're young no problem. As a lifetime strategy, it's not the best -- unless you don't mind working 40 hours a week at age eighty.

pinky


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism writes:

Didn't you read about my 2 hour trip to the emergency room? $900 for a couple pints of water.

Yeah, I read it. How many hospital staff spent time with you? How many tests were run before they decided it was just food poisoning and all you needed was rehydration?

I should have gone to the hospital about seven other times that year, but I didn't cause I was broke.

New information. I didn't know you had a medical condition that required hospitalization eight times a year. However, it must be pointed out that even though you didn't go, you are still with us.

I'll happily pay far more than 600 a year for healthcare if it means free trips to the hospital.

How much more? Would you pay four times that, for example? What is your cost per hospital trip if you buy the $50 a month insurance you mentioned earlier?

pinky


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Phred]
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They didn't run any tests to my knowledge, just asked me a bunch of questions and hooked up to an IV. I saw two people..the nurse, and a doctor.

I don't have any medical condition, that was just a bad year for me medically, had a lot of accidents that I should have gone to the hospital for but didn't. I ended up healing myself.

Are you saying the US is easier to live in than Canada? What about the decriminilization of marijuana? I'd go just for that..but the people, and the healthcare are two of the other things high on my list.



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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Phred]
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GST and PST put together are a 15% tax.

Say I'm being charged about %15 off my pay. Not all of that goes to income tax, either. Some goes to Employment Insurance (I was just layed off and now qualify for some "free" money :smirk: ).

So yeah, 30% of my income is going to the the government.

So what? I'm fine with that. The services I get as a Canadian citizen, and which my taxes pay for, FAR outweigh the shitty deal of having 30% of my income "taken away" from me.

I've seen the roads in the US...they are mostly shit compared to most here. My taxes pay for that.

I have 24/7 access to any health care I should need. Yes sometimes there are waiting lines. Yes, in some places money can by "better" care. Well I don't have that money, nor would I likely have it even if I wasn't being taxed HALF as much.

And no, I don't plan on working as a line cook my whole life. That's silly  :wink:

I would not give up these rights that I have as a Canadian citizen just so I'd have some more money to spend on worthless shit. 


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Phred]
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Actually, I like and enjoy freedom. There is less of that in Canada than there is in the US.

I know a lot of Americans who are starting to argue differently...

And it certainly doesn't look like this to me. What freedoms do they have in the US that I don't have?

And don't say something silly like "less taxes". I've already told you I don't care about the tax here.  :smirk: 


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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i live in canada and damn proud i do. i was born and raised here.

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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Told]
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I hear that!!!!!

In-CA-Wanting-to-get-the-hell-out-of-the-Bush-regime


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Re: Moving to Canada [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Werd, I have lived all over Western Canada, and made my current home in Vancouver, B.C. Its all here, from skateboarding to snowboarding all within a half an hour. Barely snows in the city. A little to conservative fer my liking, but its also a center fer yer left wing liberal people. We have Marc Emmery here afterall, he went across Canada smoking out cities and being arrested fer his cause. Thanks Marc, for standing you ground. Metal scene here is okay, fer as much as I know, I'm more of a techno head myself. Clean air, sexy women, and lots of beaches. The city seems to run off of superficail bullshit sometimes, you just gotta steer clear of it. I can do anything and not really be paranoid.(knock on wood). I really feel for the american that can't have any say in the way their government is being run. Seems like you can buy the presidency there. I am furious of the American policy, but, it will come and bite them government officials in the ass soon enuff. The Vancouver Islands are where all the draft dodgers came to hide out. KNoiw them basterds gorw some of the most bad ass buds out there. Anyway, hope this helps. Vancouver has been the best place yet fer me. But I do want my own island, or my own farm on an island somewhere around here.

Peace Brutha's and Sisters,

Jater


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