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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Lion]
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As for the first part, I agree. I would actually go out on a limb and say LSD is the most subjective psychedelic you could take, or at least in my experience. As for the second part, I was just ranting and thinking about the history of LSD pisses me off because people were irresponsible. It sort of connects with the idea of taking 500 plus hits because that to me is a irresponsible way to use that. Sometimes more is less, the more you take, the less you remember or learn.


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"As I walk on through troubled times my spirit gets so downhearted sometimes so where are the strong and who are the trusted? And where is the harmony? Sweet harmony. Cause each time I feel it slippin' away, just makes me wanna cry. What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?" - Nick Lowe

"Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change your character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...” - Sasha Shulgin

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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TheGreenArrow said:
If you believe that about Tim Leary your a :puppet: thats bought the official stories.  Do some research, actually read what the man researched and had to say.  He was the fuckin fall guy.




so this is fake?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/leary-explains-his-decision-snitch?page=0


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"As I walk on through troubled times my spirit gets so downhearted sometimes so where are the strong and who are the trusted? And where is the harmony? Sweet harmony. Cause each time I feel it slippin' away, just makes me wanna cry. What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?" - Nick Lowe

"Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change your character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...” - Sasha Shulgin

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
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mindgnome said:
TheGreenArrow said:
If you believe that about Tim Leary your a :puppet: thats bought the official stories.  Do some research, actually read what the man researched and had to say.  He was the fuckin fall guy.




so this is fake?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/leary-explains-his-decision-snitch?page=0


You realize none of the "information" he gave them resulted in any convictions right?

Read Robert Anton Wilson "The Cosmic Trigger Vol. 1"  he kind of delves into the subject.  I used to lean towards your way of thinking, but Leary was in a "Damned if you do, Damned if you dont" sort of situation.


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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I just don't believe the message he was sending to people. I still see him as being a major factor in the demonization of psychedelics because most of the things he was telling people were complete nonsense besides maybe the "think for yourself and question authority" bit...Terence McKenna did a lot of psychedelics but he was actually sane.


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"As I walk on through troubled times my spirit gets so downhearted sometimes so where are the strong and who are the trusted? And where is the harmony? Sweet harmony. Cause each time I feel it slippin' away, just makes me wanna cry. What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?" - Nick Lowe

"Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change your character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...” - Sasha Shulgin

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
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:doublefacepalm:


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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Have you heard him talk about "Timewave 0"?  Y'know what, no. I'm not going there.  :speechless:


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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I will have to read about it when I get back from work. Terence McKenna's ideas and philosophies always impressed me far more than Timothy Leary's did. Terence McKenna seems like a alien when I listen to him sometimes, that is how intelligent he is to me.


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"As I walk on through troubled times my spirit gets so downhearted sometimes so where are the strong and who are the trusted? And where is the harmony? Sweet harmony. Cause each time I feel it slippin' away, just makes me wanna cry. What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding?" - Nick Lowe

"Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change your character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...” - Sasha Shulgin

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: memes]
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or perhaps the consistency of doses. i do not have experience with lsd but have always been under the impression dosages can very wildly?

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
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anyone have any thing else to contribute to this topic?  i feel like it's pretty self-explanatory.  if you're in the right circles, and it's determined that you can handle it, you're given the opportunity.  not everyone is gonna have a Syd Barrett type of reaction, that's usually determined by the state of your mental health and not the drugs.  so yes, i'm a believer.  any developments on this?


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Steal your bass right off your head.  :stoner:

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: bass head]
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Well, we've not had another chinacat72 so....no developsments yet :shrug:

But with crystal 1P-LSD, u could do it yourself now! :holyfuckdude:

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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I remember reading about a documented case of some dude injecting 300mg of crystal (approximately 3,000 doses) thinking it was meth and dying.

edit: interesting erowid page
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml
There was one entry where 8 people snorted enough lsd to achieve blood concentrations of 1000-7000ug/100ml and did not die. The averge person having 6 liters of blood would mean the 7000ug guy consumed almost half a gram of LSD crystal or 5k doses assuming 100% purity and bioavailability.

Quote:
lock JC, Boerner U, Becker CE. "Coma, Hyperthermia, and Bleeding Associated with Massive LSD Overdose, A Report of Eight Cases". Clin Toxicol 1975;8(2):191-203.

    "Eight patients were seen within 15 min of intranasal self-administration of large amounts of pure D-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) tartrate powder. Emesis and collapse occurred along with sign of sympathetic overactivity, hyperthermia, coma, and respiratory arrest. Mild generalized bleeding occurred in several patients and evidence of platelet dysfunction was present in all. Serum and gastric concentrations of LSD tartrate ranged from 2.1 to 26 ng/ml and 1000 to 7000 ug/100 ml, respectively. With supportive care, all patients recovered."


I can see a thumbprint being possible considering it would be less than 10% of that.

Edited by luvdemboomers (05/30/16 11:55 AM)

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: luvdemboomers]
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i remember that too.

Why was crystal in a needle thou? Maybe for laying a sheet perhaps? :strokebeard:

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
i remember that too.

Why was crystal in a needle thou? Maybe for laying a sheet perhaps? :strokebeard:


I'm assuming he thought it was crystal meth and prepared it himself

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Or an easy way to measure out mL for vials.  Sweet breath and visine vials differ in size sometimes

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: maynard] * 2
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I will say this, after you take large doses of LSD, you're never the same again.  I saw someone mention Syd Barrett above, well he obviously had underlying mental health issues, and as many of us know psychedelics can bring out these issue and make them more noticeable, but large doses do change the way you view the world, and should be approached with caution if you're given the chance to do so.

LSD was the first psychedelic I ever tried, so will always hold a dear spot in my heart.  If you take a massive dose, lets say 50+ hits, be prepared to change, at least this is what I have come to understand.  If you allow the substance to work its magic on you, you will be forever changed, the veil is lifted from your eyes, and you see the world for what it is, and you realize just how integral love is for growth, and how we must have love guide us in all our actions in this world, we must roll away the dew.

The day begins with the dew on the grass, and when we roll away the dew we allow ourselves to start new, to begin our day, to start new chapters in our lives, to be reborn.  Large doses are a death/rebirth scenario for those that partake, this can often be harrowing to say the least, but many things which are beneficial are stressful.


It's easy to say we have allowed love to motivate our actions, but many times we only show love to the things which benefit us first, we're all one family on this planet.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has its beaches, its homeland and thoughts of its own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has its seasons, its evenin's and songs of its own.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Lucis]
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:smugjerry:

Have you taken one of these massive doses?

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
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To be honest I am amazed that people don't die from 50+ mg doses, but not to the point of disbelief.

I'd certainly not be cut out for laying acid with the Family. Given the ultimatum to do a thumbprint I'd reject it, but that's me.


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Anyone got a lowpass filter in this biiiiash?

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: ModestMouse]
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take it from someone whos been around I have been puddled many many times and know a few people that have been printed it is real only for the true of heart or maybe as Robert Hunter puts it maybe some people brains are just wired with a heavier guage that can handle it DMT for example is not for everyone

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: HostilisHead]
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I wouldn't say higher doses of LSD are subjective.  They break thru any realm of human thought.  It's more like death.  A power found in death.  A life that needs respected for certain.  It's hard to have a relationship with that force, but we all do.

Problem is you can lose reality.  I've seen a few really wild people at gatherings.  People totally off the grid so to speak.  Well beyond Pluto!


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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