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I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax.
    #19586964 - 02/18/14 10:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So I was reading through reports on "heroic" doses of various substances and came across something linked with LSD called "thumb printing". After reading this I am almost certain that these people did not get nearly the amount that they thought they did. Claiming to have ingested at least 500 hits of lsd. This seems impossible to me. If you have ever done legitimate lsd it should seem pretty obvious that 500 hits of the real thing would ruin you for life. I don't believe these people's claims to have done that much. Don't take their advice, and don't do a amount even remotely close to this because you will be fried. I usually advocate the use of psychedelics as a tool for the mind, but condoning this kind of excess is irresponsible when these people haven't even come close to what they claim they have. I would like to hear the thoughts of the people who know what this is. I call bullshit.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 9
    #19586970 - 02/18/14 10:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

welcome to the shroomery.  your thoughts are incorrect.



here

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1429025#1429025


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: memes] * 2
    #19586980 - 02/18/14 10:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: peace of mind 1] * 2
    #19587013 - 02/18/14 10:11 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: memes]
    #19587020 - 02/18/14 10:12 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I have also read that along with other reports of this through google  that link back to the same person. You are incorrect. Everything described here is indicative of more like 3-4 hits of a strong liquid solution. It might be the equivalent to 10 hits of todays blotter but back in the 60's doing a "thumbprint" was probably like doing 3 hits of acid.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587033 - 02/18/14 10:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I personally believe thumbprints have been done. I'm not saying I'd believe anyone who ever tells me they've tried one, but regardless, I think they are done out there.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 2
    #19587036 - 02/18/14 10:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
I have also read that along with other reports of this through google  that link back to the same person. You are incorrect. Everything described here is indicative of more like 3-4 hits of a strong liquid solution. It might be the equivalent to 10 hits of todays blotter but back in the 60's doing a "thumbprint" was probably like doing 3 hits of acid.




OK well your math sucks


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 2
    #19587039 - 02/18/14 10:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
I have also read that along with other reports of this through google  that link back to the same person. You are incorrect. Everything described here is indicative of more like 3-4 hits of a strong liquid solution. It might be the equivalent to 10 hits of todays blotter but back in the 60's doing a "thumbprint" was probably like doing 3 hits of acid.



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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #19587051 - 02/18/14 10:15 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

it's legit, but what a lot of people fail to realize, or just flat out want to acknowledge was,

every time someone thumbprinted, a new series of rc drugs that mimicked the effects of mdma and lsd were released to the public.

when the lsd missile silo lab was busted, the jwh series was created.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587053 - 02/18/14 10:16 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
I have also read that along with other reports of this through google  that link back to the same person. You are incorrect. Everything described here is indicative of more like 3-4 hits of a strong liquid solution. It might be the equivalent to 10 hits of todays blotter but back in the 60's doing a "thumbprint" was probably like doing 3 hits of acid.





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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Dr.Dankhead] * 3
    #19587054 - 02/18/14 10:16 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

LSD is a hoax


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: SpecialEd] * 2
    #19587059 - 02/18/14 10:16 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587084 - 02/18/14 10:21 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe a giant dose doesn't feel like a lot of average doses put together?


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: CodeLion] * 1
    #19587100 - 02/18/14 10:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

No one seems to think it is ironic that the only place they have ever heard of this is from china cat. I read a lot of articles and even have read books on lsd and have had experience with it first hand. If it was a liquid, that means that the lsd was highly diluted before hand.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587107 - 02/18/14 10:24 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

chinacat isn't the only place we've heard about LSD crystal.  and you're the only person talking about liquid.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587124 - 02/18/14 10:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:dancingbear::dancingbear::dancingbear::dancingbear::dancingbear::dancingbear::dancingbear:

Look at it this way. Someone out there has crystal, it comes from somewhere, no? Is it really far fetched to think people out there exist that are willing to do shit like that? As crazy as it is, there's way crazier shit that happens every day. Someone that deep in the circle who has access to LSD in that quantity, just so happening to dose that much wouldn't shock me. You can even account for tolerance overtime. Who says it was done with a set zero tolerance? Shit, if I had access to crystal, I'd gain a pretty hefty tolerance personally.

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587129 - 02/18/14 10:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Gnome youre just wrong...its a widely known initiation technique. Get over it


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: memes]
    #19587132 - 02/18/14 10:31 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Choose to believe what you believe, you will not change my opinion. I know people haven't done that much without some major long term cognitive impairment. I know people who have done too much acid, it fucked them up and it was because of doing a strip and a half.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587140 - 02/18/14 10:32 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I know people who've dosed 20 hits and are still okay. That is subjective to the individual. The fragility of the mind isn't universal.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: peace of mind 1] * 1
    #19587146 - 02/18/14 10:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I know people who've dosed 20 hits and are still okay. That is subjective to the individual. The fragility of the mind isn't universal.




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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: peace of mind 1]
    #19587150 - 02/18/14 10:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sorry guys I just fail to believe your mind could come back from something like that. I took a lot of hallucinogens in highschool and am still working things out. Not that it wasn't positive, but there were some negatives that came with it because of my overindulgence. Even I didn't come close to what some of these claims are. Not even close.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587154 - 02/18/14 10:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Chinacat72 is the only person I'll ever believe actually did it . He just lived that deadhead life and was pretty straight fowardwith the posts. It's possible he did it but :shrug:


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19587158 - 02/18/14 10:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Chinacat72 is the only person I'll ever believe actually did it . He just lived that deadhead life and was pretty straight fowardwith the posts. It's possible he did it but :shrug:



whiterasta too. 

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: memes]
    #19587173 - 02/18/14 10:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

maybe it is possible. MAYBE but I am still skeptical.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587176 - 02/18/14 10:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm sorry guys I just fail to believe your mind could come back from something like that. I took a lot of hallucinogens in highschool and am still working things out. Not that it wasn't positive, but there were some negatives that came with it because of my overindulgence. Even I didn't come close to what some of these claims are. Not even close.



Nobody is saying your mind comes back from it; and if you've read any of china cat's posts, he says you're never the same again.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587183 - 02/18/14 10:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
maybe it is possible. MAYBE but I am still skeptical.



does it serve a purpose?


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: memes] * 1
    #19587188 - 02/18/14 10:41 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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memes said:
Quote:

Seriously_trippin said:
Chinacat72 is the only person I'll ever believe actually did it . He just lived that deadhead life and was pretty straight fowardwith the posts. It's possible he did it but :shrug:



whiterasta too. 

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Damn I missed that, yeah I believe him too, only certain people can get into that level of detail


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: berdinwall] * 1
    #19587196 - 02/18/14 10:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Gnome youre just wrong...its a widely known initiation technique. Get over it




This heard this several times


Dead family, lsd circles

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: theRAPeutic] * 1
    #19587205 - 02/18/14 10:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
I'm sorry guys I just fail to believe your mind could come back from something like that. I took a lot of hallucinogens in highschool and am still working things out. Not that it wasn't positive, but there were some negatives that came with it because of my overindulgence. Even I didn't come close to what some of these claims are. Not even close.



Nobody is saying your mind comes back from it; and if you've read any of china cat's posts, he says you're never the same again.



This.  Chinacat72 says in his posts in that thread that there times every single day that he feels like he's tripping.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19587226 - 02/18/14 10:48 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

i remember hearing something similar about the stories being all a hoax, but i wouldn;t know.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #19587242 - 02/18/14 10:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Can't remember which one but one of the members of the grateful dead's kids found a vial of crystal  backstage during a show.  Thought it was coke and snorted it.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Kief Ledger] * 1
    #19587245 - 02/18/14 10:53 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Can't remember which one but one of the members of the grateful dead's kids found a vial of crystal  backstage during a show.  Thought it was coke and snorted it.




think it was mickey's.  the vial was labeled "C' and they thought it meant 'coke'.  lol definitely stood for crystal!



can you imagine snorting a fat line of crystal and then being like OH SHIT


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: memes] * 2
    #19587267 - 02/18/14 10:58 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

The whole my buddy did a strip and is fried... :facepalm:
My buddy ate $175 worth of acid, (which at the time was 150 hits of the Learys from 99-00..very good LSD (and yes it was really that cheap then)  ), I ate a meal he prepared 3 days later and as a matter of fact just crashed at his house two weekends ago. He's totally fine. He was a little tweaked for like 4 or 5 days, but maintained.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587279 - 02/18/14 11:00 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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No one seems to think it is ironic that the only place they have ever heard of this is from china cat. I read a lot of articles and even have read books on lsd and have had experience with it first hand. If it was a liquid, that means that the lsd was highly diluted before hand.




I have seen people lay sheets with crystal and lick up the mess. Easily several hundred hits. High dosage reports arent that rare. Even Pickard admits to accidentally exposing himself to very large amounts of lsd


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: I_was_the_walrus] * 2
    #19587313 - 02/18/14 11:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Pretty sure this is legit.

And from what I've read, taking huge amounts of LSD will only get you so high. and then after that, more LSD just makes the trip longer, instead of more intense.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #19587624 - 02/19/14 12:17 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

yeah....I haven't heard that, but I could see that being true. There is a story of Dennis McKenna being in the Amazon and eating so much psilocybin he had a psychotic break for a couple of weeks or something. I have yet to read the book it was described in. I couldn't even imagine what hundreds of hits of acid would be like. If I eat two I feel like it is almost to the breaking point. I think maybe I must just be more susceptible to that state of mind. I have always had a wild imagination and maybe that has something to do with it. Mushrooms don't make me feel crazy like that though, they definitely make my mind feel open in a literal sense.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 2
    #19587645 - 02/19/14 12:22 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

There's an official medical report wherein multiple people accidentally ingested hundreds of thousands of micrograms, maybe more (serum/gastric levels are indicated). The individuals were soon released from the hospital and a follow-up was done later on and some of them said they continued to use LSD. So, this this thread is now officially over. :smile:

The full report is available for free.


Coma, Hyperthermia and Bleeding Associated with Massive LSD Overdose: A Report of Eight Cases. John C. Klock, MD, Udo Boerner, MS, and Charles E. Becker, MD. West J Med. 1974 March; 120(3): 183–188.


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    #19587665 - 02/19/14 12:25 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I love how you always cite sources.


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    #19587666 - 02/19/14 12:25 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I have dosed 70+ hits of silver in a single dose, my mind is fine.
I know people who have done thumbprints, they are fine.

Psilocybin is not Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.

Just because you refuse to believe it does not mean it does not exist.

The CIA even experimented with bathing people in LSD to try and make supersoldiers. They went crazy. Because they were in a laboratory being probed by scientists and CIA.. being bathed in LSD.. you'd go crazy too. Set and setting.

LSD does not damage your DNA or whatever it is you think

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    #19587677 - 02/19/14 12:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Not quite. One of the DEA agents that was involved with the Picard(sp?) lsd lab actually ingested hundreds of thousands of hits. He shaved his neck before handling all of the lsd and the lsd went through his freshly opened pores. He had ingested some ridiculous quantity of lsd. He was rushed to the hospital and started having seizures and convulsions. He actually did recover quite well but he cannot read because it impaired his focus so much. It was part of a video I watched. Sorry for no source I can't seem to find it. So while you say that it didn't harm people, that is sort of relative. It might not have killed them, but it permanently effected their brain function, I guarantee that. Also my aunt who was a doctor in the 70's saw a lot of people go crazy from doing too much. I am not trying to sound like a anti-psychedelics person, because I am definitely not, but acid is definitely the riskiest traditional psychedelic you can ingest. Research psychedelics are worse though because the ld50 is so much lower on rc's.


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    #19587694 - 02/19/14 12:31 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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    #19587708 - 02/19/14 12:34 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Not quite. One of the DEA agents that was involved with the Picard(sp?) lsd lab actually ingested hundreds of thousands of hits. He shaved his neck before handling all of the lsd and the fumes went through his freshly opened pores. He had ingested some ridiculous quantity of lsd. He was rushed to the hospital and started having seizures and convulsions. He actually did recover quite well but he cannot read because it impaired his focus so much. It was part of a video I watched. Sorry for no source I can't seem to find it. So while you say that it didn't harm people, that is sort of relative. It might not have killed them, but it permanently effected their brain function, I guarantee that. Also my aunt who was a doctor in the 70's saw a lot of people go crazy from doing too much. I am not trying to sound like a anti-psychedelics person but acid is definitely the riskiest traditional psychedelic you can ingest. Research psychedelics are worse though because the ld50 is so much lower on rc's.




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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587710 - 02/19/14 12:34 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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The CIA even experimented with bathing people in LSD to try and make supersoldiers. They went crazy. Because they were in a laboratory being probed by scientists and CIA.. being bathed by LSD.. you'd go crazy too. Set and setting.




LSD baths? More info, please.

I gave him some medical documentation, so I'm sure he's convinced now.

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He actually did recover quite well but he cannot read because it impaired his focus so much.




That's from Nat Geo's Hallucinogen's episode of their series, Drugs Inc. Did he say that now he can't read? I don't recall that. If it's true, it's just HPPD, which can happen with any psychedelic in standard doses, the exact mechanism of which is unknown. What point are you trying to make? I already provided evidence of people who did massive doses of LSD and did not report not being able to read.


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    #19587720 - 02/19/14 12:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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    #19587724 - 02/19/14 12:37 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm also pretty sure that that DEA agent never said anything about seizures and convulsions! The only thing I remember him saying is taht he was in the back of an ambulance and one or several of his fellow officers were with him and he said something like "you wouldn't believe what I'm seeing right now."


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    #19587728 - 02/19/14 12:38 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Also on the topic of research chemicals, Alexander Shulgin is a genius, no one can argue that, but research chemicals are far less safe than their parent molecules. Take for instance, mescaline which has a ld50 of about 1200mg/kg and compare that to 2c-e which has a ld50 of 14mg/kg.


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    #19587734 - 02/19/14 12:39 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

no he said they had to give him valium because he was convulsing and he claimed he would have died if he hadn't received it.


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    #19587744 - 02/19/14 12:40 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)



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    #19587746 - 02/19/14 12:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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no he said they had to give him valium because he was convulsing and he claimed he would have died if he hadn't received it.




Lol because he's a medical doctor.

No he accidentally dosed a lot of acid and was a noob with a weak mind and was having a panic attack and thought he was dying. Happens a lot to noobs that take too much. Valium did not save his life. :lol:


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    #19587749 - 02/19/14 12:42 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Take for instance, mescaline which has a ld50 of about 1200mg/kg and compare that to 2c-e which has a ld50 of 14mg/kg.




From what I understand, LD50s for psychedelic drugs are highly questionable. Consider the following two posts.

Thanks, Shroomism. And lol.

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LD-50's for animals mean nothing when talking about LSD.
As my professor Dr. David Nichols(www.heffter.org.) said they are completly worthless. The neurological differences between different animal species and humans makes testing LSD on animals unreliable. A mouse can consume a amount of LSD that will kill an elephant. Also it seems that some of these studies were done giving the LSD by IV. By giving LSD IV you then have to calculate what that amount is in terms of an oral dosage because taking 5mg. by injection is vastly different than 5mg. oraly in bioavailability.

As Dr. Hoffman says we just don't know the LD-50 of LSD in humans.
I don't see how we ever will. The one person to die from shooting LSD IV'd 320,000 mcg.* ,this is the equivelent of many grams orally. His case can't be considered though becuase he was a junkie and possibly had other drugs in his system.

Also the case about the elephant. The elephant had recieved many different drugs over its life as a test animal. Including a dose of amphetamine some hours before the LSD dose and a massive dose of thorazine after the LSD dose.
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Though you can overdose on anything including water I havn't seen any info that would show mescaline to be more dangerous. I think your stomach would explode from to much cactus before you could consume enough too "overdose" on mescaline.

Like I said if you have any valid data to prove otherwise I would be very interested in seeing it. :thumbup: 
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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587750 - 02/19/14 12:42 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

A lot of people say they're going to die, even on low doses :shrug:

What the fuck are we even discussing anymore? People gave personal experiences of cases where heavy dosing didn't cause permanent damage, didn't this answer your question? Nobody's saying it "can't" happen.

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    #19587752 - 02/19/14 12:42 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I guess that is a good point to some extent, but he also was having seizures?


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    #19587763 - 02/19/14 12:45 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I was gonna ask, what's the LD50 for LSD Mr. Guru, since RCs have a higher LD50? Lol

Not sure how you can make that claim, when there is no established LD50 for humans.


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    #19587765 - 02/19/14 12:45 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

That wasn't even my point in saying the ld50 of the two. I was pointing out that people take something like acid and think they are taking lsd when in actuality they are taking something that does have a registered ld50 and has killed people in the past. That is the point I was making.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587767 - 02/19/14 12:46 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I guess that is a good point to some extent, but he also was having seizures?




Yes and I provided documentation of other people who had seizures, but what's common to both these incidents is that they weren't even expecting to trip on LSD at all! So, it wouldn't be farfetched to say that their seizures and other symptoms were specifically catalyzed by panicking when they started to feel the effects -- a direct result of freaking out on such a high dose.


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    #19587772 - 02/19/14 12:46 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

People on bad acid trips can freak out and hyperventilate themselves and THINK they are dying. I've seen it before. That doesn't mean they ARE dying. They are just psyching themselves out for the most part. How you handle an acid trip is all in the mind for the most part. Super high dose or not.

People can't handle the reality shift or mindfuck or whatever, and freak THEMSELVES out by getting stuck in negative thought patterns loops or whatever. It's completely reversible and only in the mind. In essence they give themselves a panic attack.


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    #19587775 - 02/19/14 12:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I guess that is a good point to some extent, but he also was having seizures?




Yes and I provided documentation of other people who had seizures, but what's common to both these incidents is that they weren't even expecting to trip on LSD at all! So, it wouldn't be farfetched to say that their seizures and other symptoms were specifically catalyzed by panicking when they started to feel the effects -- a direct result of freaking out on such a high dose.



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    #19587778 - 02/19/14 12:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I was pointing out that research chemicals have a extremely lower ld50. I have read a lot of books including Stanislav Grof so I'm no dummy.


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    #19587791 - 02/19/14 12:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I would do a thumbprint if ever offered without thinking twice about it... So why wouldn't other people?


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    #19587795 - 02/19/14 12:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I have dosed 70+ hits of silver in a single dose, my mind is fine.
I know people who have done thumbprints, they are fine.

Psilocybin is not Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.

Just because you refuse to believe it does not mean it does not exist.

The CIA even experimented with bathing people in LSD to try and make supersoldiers. They went crazy. Because they were in a laboratory being probed by scientists and CIA.. being bathed in LSD.. you'd go crazy too. Set and setting.

LSD does not damage your DNA or whatever it is you think




No it doesn't damage DNA, but:

Your definition of "fine" could substantially differentiate from those who could provide actual evidence of cognitive disorders through neurology  before and after tests..

Yeah he may look and seem fine, but the only person that can tell weather or not he suffered any psychological, cognitive or  neuropathy impairment from that thumb print,  is him alone, and most the time they won't notice..


Believe it or not, taking too much of anything can be potentially life altering, in May ways or aspects not just spiritually... Not saying if you take one hit, you'll be fucked for ever, but merely just saying that an overload from too much serotonin has been known to cause people to become "stoic" per say.. Unattached. Messing with short memory, basic motor skills, alertness, and being able to adequately keep basic communication structure while having a conversation..

If you think you can't fuck yourself you from LSD.. Go ahead, be dumb and take as much as you can, you won't remember if it effected your cognitive abilities afterward anyway..By that time it's too late anyway.

I'm not dissing on you big high dosing people, I'm just saying that some psychs have the potential to impair cognitive abilities without the users knowledge or understanding.


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    #19587796 - 02/19/14 12:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

max I've taken is 16 hits with a little tolerance, or 8-9 with no tolerance

took a few weeks/months to come down fully

have since taken 1 hit(dalai lama) that was more intense than the 16hits trip (merging with everything the whole trip, 10 hours)

less is often more :-)
there seems to be a dose where serotonin gets saturated, some say 1200ug, some say 2000ug or so
it should be tehre somewhere

more would just give longer trip likely

a thumbprint would probably take a few months to come back from/deal with, I imagine it would take a lifetime to deal with

even 2-3 strong hits can take a lifetime to deal with, egodeath
but people usually don't regret, they wish they had done it earlier

high doses are no joke, but if you got what it takes you will come down
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    #19587799 - 02/19/14 12:51 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I bet it wasn't pure. There is no way those "thumbprints" are 100 percent pure because a hit of acid is literally a grain of sand. How many grains of sand fit on your thumb. I am starting to sound like a asshole, which I am not, so I will stop arguing now.


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    #19587804 - 02/19/14 12:52 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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    #19587807 - 02/19/14 12:53 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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    #19587809 - 02/19/14 12:53 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I don't even trust the LD50s for stuff like 2C-B. Hell, I didn't know we had LD50s for a lot of that stuff. We're talking about animal testing, which can be practically dismissed in this territory, according to chinacat's explanation, quoted above. I would imagine that thumbprint-level doses of most psychedelic drugs can be taken without intrinsic harm (imagine 100,000 mg of psilocybin?).


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    #19587824 - 02/19/14 12:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Just for the record I think psychedelics are a great thing. I like natural things more than man made things though. I sort of do have something against acid though because first off, the people who sell it are deceiving and say it is good when it is completely a different chemical from lsd and also a lot of people take it just so they can say they took it and say it is fun. It is a fucking psychedelic. Idk, I just get pissed at how these things will never be taken into society seriously to help people because pop culture is like "ohhh lets trip out maaaaan" when they don't even know what the hell it means to find happiness, or what it means to actually have a worthwhile experience.


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    #19587826 - 02/19/14 12:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I already abused the fuck out of LSD as much as was possible for me in my 20s. I've taken thousands of hits. 
Now I'm just whatever, I haven't even seen it in 2 years. I'll do it whenever it pops up. But I'm not taking it every day like I used to. 

Whatever "damage" was done is done.. I don't feel any less from it. I don't regret anything.
Yes you can get "fried" from taking way too much acid too often. I have witnessed it, experienced it myself to some degree after dosing constantly for 3 months straight. I was a bit spacy for 6 months or so. But I recovered.

But yeah, that tends to happen when you warp your entire perception of reality for multiple days / weeks at a time... it takes a while to get back to "baseline". True for anything but especially for a powerful mind-altering chemical like LSD.

I absolutely do not for one second believe that LSD causes permanent chromosome or brain damage or limits cognitive abilities like some people claim. Any "spacey" after-effects are for the most part completely temporary and even after extremely heavy binges and doses your normal perception does eventually return to baseline. In my experience and from the people I've been around.

I will hold one exception for that and that may be someone under a heavy dose and experiencing a very traumatic event or similar could suffer from longterm issues or PTSD or whatnot.


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I will actually say psychedelics are less harmful than any legal drug you can buy. When I first started doing drugs I did cough medicine at least 80 times and that definitely is still something I recover from.


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    #19587868 - 02/19/14 01:09 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Just for the record I think psychedelics are a great thing. I like natural things more than man made things though. I sort of do have something against acid though because first off, the people who sell it are deceiving and say it is good when it is completely a different chemical from lsd and also a lot of people take it just so they can say they took it and say it is fun. It is a fucking psychedelic. Idk, I just get pissed at how these things will never be taken into society seriously to help people because pop culture is like "ohhh lets trip out maaaaan" when they don't even know what the hell it means to find happiness, or what it means to actually have a worthwhile experience.



LSD synthesized by a human in 1943


Nothing natural about that my friend lol..maybe ergot:shrug:

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    #19587890 - 02/19/14 01:16 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

LSD is far from the "riskiest" traditional psychedelic out there.  In fact I'd argue that its the safest.  Sounds like you've been swallowing the rhetoric, acid is actually the most well researched of all psychedelics.  There is no more potential for risk than say psilocybin or DMT.


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    #19587906 - 02/19/14 01:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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LSD is far from the "riskiest" traditional psychedelic out there.  In fact I'd argue that its the safest.  Sounds like you've been swallowing the rhetoric, acid is actually the most well researched of all psychedelics.  There is no more potential for risk than say psilocybin or DMT.




Very true, exactly what my point is.. I'm not saying LSD is or isn't safe, but i do know that ergot is dangerous, one small fuck up on a chemists part can kill.. Not saying that people need to be worried about every hit they take, but at least have it in the back of your mind that there is an "ultimate" risk in ingesting chemicals, whose creator and process is almost always unknown.. A fun russian roulette of sorts


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    #19587913 - 02/19/14 01:22 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I was pointing out that research chemicals have a extremely lower ld50. I have read a lot of books including Stanislav Grof so I'm no dummy.




What research drugs are we talking about?

I'd argue that any well researched drug is safe.  Also IMO LSD could still be considered a research drug.  I can't think of any drugs that are done being researched.


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    #19587917 - 02/19/14 01:23 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I was pointing out that research chemicals have a extremely lower ld50. I have read a lot of books including Stanislav Grof so I'm no dummy.




What research drugs are we talking about?

I'd argue that any well researched drug is safe.  Also IMO LSD could still be considered a research drug.  I can't think of any drugs that are done being researched.




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    #19587932 - 02/19/14 01:28 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I will actually say psychedelics are less harmful than any legal drug you can buy. When I first started doing drugs I did cough medicine at least 80 times and that definitely is still something I recover from.




I'm sorry but you're not cut out for this.  I'm not sure if you're dramatic or just very sensitive.  I'd consider microdoses if you have had trouble with typical LSD doses.  There is no shame in that.  I take alot of very small doses when I am feeling addled.


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    #19587935 - 02/19/14 01:29 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Just for the record I think psychedelics are a great thing. I like natural things more than man made things though. I sort of do have something against acid though because first off, the people who sell it are deceiving and say it is good when it is completely a different chemical from lsd and also a lot of people take it just so they can say they took it and say it is fun. It is a fucking psychedelic. Idk, I just get pissed at how these things will never be taken into society seriously to help people because pop culture is like "ohhh lets trip out maaaaan" when they don't even know what the hell it means to find happiness, or what it means to actually have a worthwhile experience.





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    #19587955 - 02/19/14 01:33 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Just for the record I think psychedelics are a great thing. I like natural things more than man made things though. I sort of do have something against acid though because first off, the people who sell it are deceiving and say it is good when it is completely a different chemical from lsd and also a lot of people take it just so they can say they took it and say it is fun. It is a fucking psychedelic. Idk, I just get pissed at how these things will never be taken into society seriously to help people because pop culture is like "ohhh lets trip out maaaaan" when they don't even know what the hell it means to find happiness, or what it means to actually have a worthwhile experience.




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    #19587982 - 02/19/14 01:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen the video you're talking about but I can't remember the name off the top of my head. There was a TON of bs fear mongering and propaganda about LSD in that video...


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I've seen the video you're talking about but I can't remember the name off the top of my head. There was a TON of bs fear mongering and propaganda about LSD in that video...




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    #19588016 - 02/19/14 01:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I've seen the video you're talking about but I can't remember the name off the top of my head. There was a TON of bs fear mongering and propaganda about LSD in that video...




Who are you talking to, OP?



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    #19588043 - 02/19/14 02:01 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Not quite. One of the DEA agents that was involved with the Picard(sp?) lsd lab actually ingested hundreds of thousands of hits. He shaved his neck before handling all of the lsd and the fumes went through his freshly opened pores. He had ingested some ridiculous quantity of lsd. He was rushed to the hospital and started having seizures and convulsions. He actually did recover quite well but he cannot read because it impaired his focus so much. It was part of a video I watched. Sorry for no source I can't seem to find it. So while you say that it didn't harm people, that is sort of relative. It might not have killed them, but it permanently effected their brain function, I guarantee that. Also my aunt who was a doctor in the 70's saw a lot of people go crazy from doing too much. I am not trying to sound like a anti-psychedelics person but acid is definitely the riskiest traditional psychedelic you can ingest. Research psychedelics are worse though because the ld50 is so much lower on rc's.




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    #19588048 - 02/19/14 02:05 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I always thought a thumbprint was thousands of hits at once.

I never second guessed that even. People do HUGE amounts of psychedelics sometimes.

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    #19588070 - 02/19/14 02:10 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I always thought a thumbprint was thousands of hits at once.




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1)  What is thumbprinting? (sounds to me that it involves taking a high dose of LSD)

2)  What is the point of thumbprinting?
 




1. It's a little tradition were people who work with crystal stick there thumb in it and lick it off.  Dose can be from 50mg-1/2gram. My largest was probably around 1/10th of a gram, though whiterasta has me beat by far as do alot of people. A dose this size is like no other. It's a huge difference between taking a couple mgs. The so called saturation level of LSD is quickly toasted at this level. WR can explian this hypothesis better than me. It's also very exhausting and shattering. Something i'm glad I did, but wouldn't do again.

2. The point. It's mostly a ritual of trust.  The upper levels of the LSD network are not like any other. There's a level of dedication and trust between each other that isn't found elsewere. This is why the DEA has been so unsuccessful in busting it up. The purpose of a thumbprint is to make sure that someone is on the level and there heart is in the right place. It's a shattering experiance. To explain anymore I would have to get into the whole LSD family philosophy. Some of it is explained in this thread. If your interested read it, though it appears to have gotten kind of long. 
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    #19588084 - 02/19/14 02:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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No one seems to think it is ironic that the only place they have ever heard of this is from china cat. I read a lot of articles and even have read books on lsd and have had experience with it first hand. If it was a liquid, that means that the lsd was highly diluted before hand.




How is that ironic?

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    #19588098 - 02/19/14 02:24 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Another report of an accidental massive dose and a report of an intentional one.

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Robert Hunter said he took 250,000mcg. or 1/4 gram This is verified by Bear and other Dead family.
10,000 mcg. is a sheet.
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    #19588220 - 02/19/14 03:01 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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No one seems to think it is ironic that the only place they have ever heard of this is from china cat. I read a lot of articles and even have read books on lsd and have had experience with it first hand. If it was a liquid, that means that the lsd was highly diluted before hand.




No man, Ive been using LSD since late 8th grade (1994) and on through highschool and the infamous thumbprint stories did circulate since. Im just saying that this phenomenon is far older than the shroomery. Also even if this is a neurotoxic dose...human beings are resliliant and can heal remarably if not miraculosy from far more dangerous things than giant LSD doses.


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    #19588307 - 02/19/14 03:43 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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So I was reading through reports on "heroic" doses of various substances and came across something linked with LSD called "thumb printing". After reading this I am almost certain that these people did not get nearly the amount that they thought they did. Claiming to have ingested at least 500 hits of lsd. This seems impossible to me. If you have ever done legitimate lsd it should seem pretty obvious that 500 hits of the real thing would ruin you for life. I don't believe these people's claims to have done that much. Don't take their advice, and don't do a amount even remotely close to this because you will be fried. I usually advocate the use of psychedelics as a tool for the mind, but condoning this kind of excess is irresponsible when these people haven't even come close to what they claim they have. I would like to hear the thoughts of the people who know what this is. I call bullshit.




It is not a hoax. Word is that in some of these hippie communities, taking the thumbprint dose is supposed to be some type of ritualistic, almost hazing type of thing.

Additionally, the come-up is supposed to be so intense that you literally shit your pants with feces as you start tripping. Then for a full week or so you are tripping balls, and go on an intense journey and see god and all your friends from the universe.


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    #19588315 - 02/19/14 03:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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So I was reading through reports on "heroic" doses of various substances and came across something linked with LSD called "thumb printing". After reading this I am almost certain that these people did not get nearly the amount that they thought they did. Claiming to have ingested at least 500 hits of lsd. This seems impossible to me. If you have ever done legitimate lsd it should seem pretty obvious that 500 hits of the real thing would ruin you for life. I don't believe these people's claims to have done that much. Don't take their advice, and don't do a amount even remotely close to this because you will be fried. I usually advocate the use of psychedelics as a tool for the mind, but condoning this kind of excess is irresponsible when these people haven't even come close to what they claim they have. I would like to hear the thoughts of the people who know what this is. I call bullshit.




It is not a hoax. Word is that in some of these hippie communities, taking the thumbprint dose is supposed to be some type of ritualistic, almost hazing type of thing.

Additionally, the come-up is supposed to be so intense that you literally shit your pants with feces as you start tripping. Then for a full week or so you are tripping balls, and go on an intense journey and see god and all your friends from the universe.





Ya don't need a whole thumbprint for that to happen:tongue:


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    #19588338 - 02/19/14 03:56 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I can't find the post but I read you feel it almost instantaneously and most likely start throwing up.


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    #19588564 - 02/19/14 07:00 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

man OP clutched to his beliefs HARD.  ive never seen someone put up such a cognitive fight against so many countering opinions and info sources


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    #19588577 - 02/19/14 07:10 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

In his defense, once you take a 10 strip or a wash-out it seems fucking ludicrous that somebody would or even could withstand a thumbprint.  In fact before this thread was started I kinda leaned heavily in his direction.  Figured it was all Chinacat's delusions of grandeur trying to cement his claim on the internet's psychedelic recordbook.
But a ten pound biscuit sops alot of gravy.  There are some fucking crazy heads out there.  And you bastards cited sources. :shrug:
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    #19588581 - 02/19/14 07:12 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Here is my question.  Didn't Grof find out that LSD has a saturation point?  Where is that point? When do you stop getting higher?


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19588592 - 02/19/14 07:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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And you bastards cited sources. :shrug:
Can't fucking argue with that.




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    #19588651 - 02/19/14 07:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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    #19588665 - 02/19/14 07:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19588671 - 02/19/14 08:01 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I always guesstimated a thumbprint to be around 20 mg, equaling a couple hundred hits or so depending on the values you used to define a "dose".

As has been mentioned previously, that isn't a lethal dose, nor would it necessarily cause permanent damage.


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    #19588673 - 02/19/14 08:03 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

haha, people have been doing crazy fucked up shit since the beginning of time. nothing is safe

i would be really suprised if no-one had ever done a thumbprint


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    #19588690 - 02/19/14 08:16 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, I can honestly say I never though about it that way.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19588706 - 02/19/14 08:24 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

me either, but it makes perfect sense


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    #19588747 - 02/19/14 08:43 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

LSD used to be really cheap, and it used to be a lot easier to find people selling grams of crystal.  People used to eat thumbprints as a form of dick sizing.  It really doesn't make much sense as eating more LSD past a point has a ceiling effect (as already mentioned).  2 of my friends did thumbprints when they were touring with the dead.  I've also personally seen both of them eat entire sheets (though they did have a tolerance at the time.)  I personally think LSD is too damn expensive now to piss it away, but that's just my opinion.


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    #19588894 - 02/19/14 09:46 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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So I was reading through reports on "heroic" doses of various substances and came across something linked with LSD called "thumb printing". After reading this I am almost certain that these people did not get nearly the amount that they thought they did. Claiming to have ingested at least 500 hits of lsd. This seems impossible to me. If you have ever done legitimate lsd it should seem pretty obvious that 500 hits of the real thing would ruin you for life. I don't believe these people's claims to have done that much. Don't take their advice, and don't do a amount even remotely close to this because you will be fried. I usually advocate the use of psychedelics as a tool for the mind, but condoning this kind of excess is irresponsible when these people haven't even come close to what they claim they have. I would like to hear the thoughts of the people who know what this is. I call bullshit.




Prior to the Shroomery I had never heard of a thumbprint, not even from the junkies and the acidheads here.

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    #19589045 - 02/19/14 10:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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So I was reading through reports on "heroic" doses of various substances and came across something linked with LSD called "thumb printing". After reading this I am almost certain that these people did not get nearly the amount that they thought they did. Claiming to have ingested at least 500 hits of lsd. This seems impossible to me. If you have ever done legitimate lsd it should seem pretty obvious that 500 hits of the real thing would ruin you for life. I don't believe these people's claims to have done that much. Don't take their advice, and don't do a amount even remotely close to this because you will be fried. I usually advocate the use of psychedelics as a tool for the mind, but condoning this kind of excess is irresponsible when these people haven't even come close to what they claim they have. I would like to hear the thoughts of the people who know what this is. I call bullshit.




Prior to the Shroomery I had never heard of a thumbprint, not even from the junkies and the acidheads here.

Overindulgence :shrug:




Yeah me either. Maybe it is true. I don't know. People seem to think there is a threshold for how intense a trip can be but even if you did that much you would be in another world for who knows how long. Even the people who claimed to have done it say they never came down completely/were completely changed for life...I really don't see the point in doing that much. To me a psychedelic is something you should only do a couple times a year so you don't have to resort to taking a massive dose like that. I usually take enough to figure out my problems and if it were fun I wouldn't be learning anything from it. That is my point of view. Fun and interesting are two completely different things to me.


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    #19589072 - 02/19/14 10:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

OP has no idea what hes talking about

hes wrong, just leave it at that. he doesnt understand the dead scene or rainbow family


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    #19589363 - 02/19/14 12:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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OP has no idea what hes talking about

hes wrong, just leave it at that. he doesnt understand the dead scene or rainbow family




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    #19589370 - 02/19/14 12:43 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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it's legit, but what a lot of people fail to realize, or just flat out want to acknowledge was,

every time someone thumbprinted, a new series of rc drugs that mimicked the effects of mdma and lsd were released to the public.

when the lsd missile silo lab was busted, the jwh series was created.




Every time someone thumbprinted an rc is created? :rofl:


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    #19589378 - 02/19/14 12:45 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Every time someone thumbprinted an rc is created? :rofl:



yeah man.  duhhhhhhhhh

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    #19589393 - 02/19/14 12:50 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I was completely unaware. Can someone do another thumbprint?


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    #19589446 - 02/19/14 01:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)



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    #19589451 - 02/19/14 01:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl:

You rock sir.


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    #19589453 - 02/19/14 01:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Bassfreak]
    #19589907 - 02/19/14 03:19 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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OP has no idea what hes talking about

hes wrong, just leave it at that. he doesnt understand the dead scene or rainbow family




I don't understand overindulgence. I understand learning from the experience. I don't understand misusing the substance so it stays illegal because of the image it portrays in pop culture. I don't understand people saying they have good acid when it is in fact just a research chemical put on a blotter. I don't understand a lot of things, but I do understand traditional psychedelics.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19589923 - 02/19/14 03:24 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

As stated earlier.  It's used today more as a precautionary tactic against undercovers I'd suppose.
One thing is for sure you're a dedicated motherfucker if your down for a thumbprint.
But givin the chance, now that I'm halfway convinced they actually are done,  I'd definitely do a thumbprint to be part of a never ending LSD fraternity. 
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    #19589942 - 02/19/14 03:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

No I don't think you do understand. I mean at first you thought it was a complete hoax, now it's you just don't understand.
It's overindulgence for the sake of it, and in some circles the thumbprint is a sort of ritualistic hazing thing.
As was mentioned LSD has a threshold or ceiling, you can only take so much before taking more doesn't really do anything.
Not to mention, an LSD tolerance builds up extremely fast and has almost an exponential curve.
If you take 2 hits one day, you will have to take 4-5 the next day to get to the same level. When acid used to be super cheap and everywhere, it was common for people to be taking a lot.

Don't know why you keep referencing people taking RCs and thinking it's acid. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about. We are talking about LSD.

I agree that LSD should be taken in moderation and I despise anyone who tries to sell an RC as LSD and believe there should be a special kind of torture invented for them, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the thread.

If you've never experienced it then I don't understand why you feel the need to talk bad about it? How many times have you dosed LSD?

Yeah maybe my super doses of acid may have been overkill, but I still enjoyed the fuck out of them. Judge not lest ye be judged and whatnot.


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    #19589964 - 02/19/14 03:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Here is my question.  Didn't Grof find out that LSD has a saturation point?  Where is that point? When do you stop getting higher?




Yes but what "they" know is different from what clandestine chemists and their aicd freak friends know and have expereinced. With the scientific bunch they only know what they know from lab expereince with fairly responsible dosing.

From anecdotal evidence there seems to be a saturation level at "responsible doses". Chinacat said something to the effect of "at 1000 mics and 3000 mics there seems to be no difference, but when you reach 20,000 mics its a whole different experience". He mentioned that its possible when you reach heroic levels it "spills over" into many other receptor groups. I mean we really dont know what happens when one is to take that fucking much. Theres no research into that and there probably never will be with good reason. Whos going to fund research on thumbprint sized dosing ?

Im no scientist but I have one hypothesis; does tolerance and saturation point have any connections neurologically? I mean think about it, once you are fully emmersed in the LSD expereince you gain a pretty gnarly tolerance. WHy? Is that a saturation of seratonin? Perhaps if you take enough LSD before it begins working in you system it may have the time or ability to work differently. Perhaps this saturation is sort of a defense mechanism of the brain? Who knows, its just speculation. Science is wrong all the time, and many laypeople stumble upon accidental discoveries and cause people to have to rethink and reevaluate science quite often.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Shattered Reality]
    #19589992 - 02/19/14 03:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Anecdotally, I've found the saturation point somewhere around 1500 mics or so personally. When I was experimenting heavily I didn't really feel any major difference between a 10 strip of geltabs or 3/4 a vial of silver except maybe lasting a bit longer. Once you get into those SUPER high doses I'm sure things change.

Kinda like DMT I guess..There's a certain plateau you reach... but reach above a certain threshold and you "break through" to the other side...

LSD is probably one of the most studied psychedelics yet there is still so much we don't yet "know".


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    #19590041 - 02/19/14 03:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

It has everything to do with what I'm talking about because people don't understand up from down anymore. If you have to take that much acid you aren't learning from it. I don't see how you could. I understand everything about lsd, I understand tolerance and cross tolerance. I know what there is to know. I just think it is stupid talking about "dead family". What did they accomplish? What did Timothy Leary accomplish. Well one accomplishment was getting LSD banned and demonized in society as a drug that makes you kill yourself. Timothy Leary was full of shit. He ruined something that could have made everything better, like that preacher in Dallas that had the DEA start looking at MDMA because he was just giving it out to people. These things are for therapy. I don't believe people when they have to take psychedelics every week. They must not understand the message.


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    #19590048 - 02/19/14 03:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

You are ranting. It's ok. Everything will be ok. There there now.


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Yeah maybe these people understand peace but once you get there your mind is already there. If you know yourself the easiest place to be is on the ground, in reality.


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    #19590078 - 02/19/14 03:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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What did Timothy Leary accomplish. Well one accomplishment was getting LSD banned and demonized in society as a drug that makes you kill yourself. Timothy Leary was full of shit.





He promoted the use of LSD, which was just the natural thing to do. Leary was awesome.

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    #19590088 - 02/19/14 04:01 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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It has everything to do with what I'm talking about because people don't understand up from down anymore. If you have to take that much acid you aren't learning from it.


That is your perspective and has nothing to do with reality, I am afraid.  Your experiences with a substance don't represent the limits of possible experience with that substance.  I really wish people would stop assuming that their personal experiences with a given substance have anything to do with its potential uses, or the experiences that others have or might have with it.  They don't. 

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I understand everything about lsd, I understand tolerance and cross tolerance. I know what there is to know. I just think it is stupid talking about "dead family". What did they accomplish? What did Timothy Leary accomplish. Well one accomplishment was getting LSD banned and demonized in society as a drug that makes you kill yourself. Timothy Leary was full of shit. He ruined something that could have made everything better, like that preacher in Dallas that had the DEA start looking at MDMA because he was just giving it out to people. These things are for therapy. I don't believe people when they have to take psychedelics every week. They must not understand the message.


What does any of this have anything to do with whether an LSD thumbprint is a real and valid experience? :confused:


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19590094 - 02/19/14 04:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

If you believe that about Tim Leary your a :puppet: thats bought the official stories.  Do some research, actually read what the man researched and had to say.  He was the fuckin fall guy.



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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Lion]
    #19590101 - 02/19/14 04:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

As for the first part, I agree. I would actually go out on a limb and say LSD is the most subjective psychedelic you could take, or at least in my experience. As for the second part, I was just ranting and thinking about the history of LSD pisses me off because people were irresponsible. It sort of connects with the idea of taking 500 plus hits because that to me is a irresponsible way to use that. Sometimes more is less, the more you take, the less you remember or learn.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19590114 - 02/19/14 04:08 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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If you believe that about Tim Leary your a :puppet: thats bought the official stories.  Do some research, actually read what the man researched and had to say.  He was the fuckin fall guy.






so this is fake?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/leary-explains-his-decision-snitch?page=0


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19590131 - 02/19/14 04:12 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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If you believe that about Tim Leary your a :puppet: thats bought the official stories.  Do some research, actually read what the man researched and had to say.  He was the fuckin fall guy.






so this is fake?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/leary-explains-his-decision-snitch?page=0



You realize none of the "information" he gave them resulted in any convictions right?

Read Robert Anton Wilson "The Cosmic Trigger Vol. 1"  he kind of delves into the subject.  I used to lean towards your way of thinking, but Leary was in a "Damned if you do, Damned if you dont" sort of situation.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19590185 - 02/19/14 04:26 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I just don't believe the message he was sending to people. I still see him as being a major factor in the demonization of psychedelics because most of the things he was telling people were complete nonsense besides maybe the "think for yourself and question authority" bit...Terence McKenna did a lot of psychedelics but he was actually sane.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19590202 - 02/19/14 04:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:doublefacepalm:


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19590208 - 02/19/14 04:32 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Have you heard him talk about "Timewave 0"?  Y'know what, no. I'm not going there.  :speechless:


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19590233 - 02/19/14 04:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I will have to read about it when I get back from work. Terence McKenna's ideas and philosophies always impressed me far more than Timothy Leary's did. Terence McKenna seems like a alien when I listen to him sometimes, that is how intelligent he is to me.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: memes]
    #19590276 - 02/19/14 04:46 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

or perhaps the consistency of doses. i do not have experience with lsd but have always been under the impression dosages can very wildly?


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
    #23287729 - 05/30/16 12:22 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

anyone have any thing else to contribute to this topic?  i feel like it's pretty self-explanatory.  if you're in the right circles, and it's determined that you can handle it, you're given the opportunity.  not everyone is gonna have a Syd Barrett type of reaction, that's usually determined by the state of your mental health and not the drugs.  so yes, i'm a believer.  any developments on this?


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: bass head]
    #23287878 - 05/30/16 01:15 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Well, we've not had another chinacat72 so....no developsments yet :shrug:

But with crystal 1P-LSD, u could do it yourself now! :holyfuckdude:


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23287956 - 05/30/16 01:45 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I remember reading about a documented case of some dude injecting 300mg of crystal (approximately 3,000 doses) thinking it was meth and dying.

edit: interesting erowid page
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml
There was one entry where 8 people snorted enough lsd to achieve blood concentrations of 1000-7000ug/100ml and did not die. The averge person having 6 liters of blood would mean the 7000ug guy consumed almost half a gram of LSD crystal or 5k doses assuming 100% purity and bioavailability.

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lock JC, Boerner U, Becker CE. "Coma, Hyperthermia, and Bleeding Associated with Massive LSD Overdose, A Report of Eight Cases". Clin Toxicol 1975;8(2):191-203.

    "Eight patients were seen within 15 min of intranasal self-administration of large amounts of pure D-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) tartrate powder. Emesis and collapse occurred along with sign of sympathetic overactivity, hyperthermia, coma, and respiratory arrest. Mild generalized bleeding occurred in several patients and evidence of platelet dysfunction was present in all. Serum and gastric concentrations of LSD tartrate ranged from 2.1 to 26 ng/ml and 1000 to 7000 ug/100 ml, respectively. With supportive care, all patients recovered."




I can see a thumbprint being possible considering it would be less than 10% of that.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23287969 - 05/30/16 01:47 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

i remember that too.

Why was crystal in a needle thou? Maybe for laying a sheet perhaps? :strokebeard:


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    #23287979 - 05/30/16 01:52 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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i remember that too.

Why was crystal in a needle thou? Maybe for laying a sheet perhaps? :strokebeard:



I'm assuming he thought it was crystal meth and prepared it himself


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23287987 - 05/30/16 01:53 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Or an easy way to measure out mL for vials.  Sweet breath and visine vials differ in size sometimes


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    #23288063 - 05/30/16 02:20 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I will say this, after you take large doses of LSD, you're never the same again.  I saw someone mention Syd Barrett above, well he obviously had underlying mental health issues, and as many of us know psychedelics can bring out these issue and make them more noticeable, but large doses do change the way you view the world, and should be approached with caution if you're given the chance to do so.

LSD was the first psychedelic I ever tried, so will always hold a dear spot in my heart.  If you take a massive dose, lets say 50+ hits, be prepared to change, at least this is what I have come to understand.  If you allow the substance to work its magic on you, you will be forever changed, the veil is lifted from your eyes, and you see the world for what it is, and you realize just how integral love is for growth, and how we must have love guide us in all our actions in this world, we must roll away the dew.

The day begins with the dew on the grass, and when we roll away the dew we allow ourselves to start new, to begin our day, to start new chapters in our lives, to be reborn.  Large doses are a death/rebirth scenario for those that partake, this can often be harrowing to say the least, but many things which are beneficial are stressful.


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    #23288070 - 05/30/16 02:22 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

:smugjerry:

Have you taken one of these massive doses?


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    #23288128 - 05/30/16 02:47 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

To be honest I am amazed that people don't die from 50+ mg doses, but not to the point of disbelief.

I'd certainly not be cut out for laying acid with the Family. Given the ultimatum to do a thumbprint I'd reject it, but that's me.


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    #24843193 - 12/13/17 04:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

take it from someone whos been around I have been puddled many many times and know a few people that have been printed it is real only for the true of heart or maybe as Robert Hunter puts it maybe some people brains are just wired with a heavier guage that can handle it DMT for example is not for everyone


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    #24843414 - 12/13/17 10:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't say higher doses of LSD are subjective.  They break thru any realm of human thought.  It's more like death.  A power found in death.  A life that needs respected for certain.  It's hard to have a relationship with that force, but we all do.

Problem is you can lose reality.  I've seen a few really wild people at gatherings.  People totally off the grid so to speak.  Well beyond Pluto!


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