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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Shroomism]
    #19587796 - 02/19/14 12:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

max I've taken is 16 hits with a little tolerance, or 8-9 with no tolerance

took a few weeks/months to come down fully

have since taken 1 hit(dalai lama) that was more intense than the 16hits trip (merging with everything the whole trip, 10 hours)

less is often more :-)
there seems to be a dose where serotonin gets saturated, some say 1200ug, some say 2000ug or so
it should be tehre somewhere

more would just give longer trip likely

a thumbprint would probably take a few months to come back from/deal with, I imagine it would take a lifetime to deal with

even 2-3 strong hits can take a lifetime to deal with, egodeath
but people usually don't regret, they wish they had done it earlier

high doses are no joke, but if you got what it takes you will come down
that is why they test you with a thumbprint I've heard :-)


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19587799 - 02/19/14 12:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I bet it wasn't pure. There is no way those "thumbprints" are 100 percent pure because a hit of acid is literally a grain of sand. How many grains of sand fit on your thumb. I am starting to sound like a asshole, which I am not, so I will stop arguing now.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Shroomism]
    #19587804 - 02/19/14 12:52 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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My brother's uncle's best friend's second mother took too much acid one time, and saw an orange.. ever since then he's been stuck in a corner and will scream in terror whenever someone comes near him and say not to peel him and he thinks everyone is trying to juice him and turn him into orange juice.. He's never been the same since.



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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TrentBoyett] * 1
    #19587807 - 02/19/14 12:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587809 - 02/19/14 12:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't even trust the LD50s for stuff like 2C-B. Hell, I didn't know we had LD50s for a lot of that stuff. We're talking about animal testing, which can be practically dismissed in this territory, according to chinacat's explanation, quoted above. I would imagine that thumbprint-level doses of most psychedelic drugs can be taken without intrinsic harm (imagine 100,000 mg of psilocybin?).


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19587824 - 02/19/14 12:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Just for the record I think psychedelics are a great thing. I like natural things more than man made things though. I sort of do have something against acid though because first off, the people who sell it are deceiving and say it is good when it is completely a different chemical from lsd and also a lot of people take it just so they can say they took it and say it is fun. It is a fucking psychedelic. Idk, I just get pissed at how these things will never be taken into society seriously to help people because pop culture is like "ohhh lets trip out maaaaan" when they don't even know what the hell it means to find happiness, or what it means to actually have a worthwhile experience.


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"Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change your character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...” - Sasha Shulgin


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #19587826 - 02/19/14 12:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I already abused the fuck out of LSD as much as was possible for me in my 20s. I've taken thousands of hits. 
Now I'm just whatever, I haven't even seen it in 2 years. I'll do it whenever it pops up. But I'm not taking it every day like I used to. 

Whatever "damage" was done is done.. I don't feel any less from it. I don't regret anything.
Yes you can get "fried" from taking way too much acid too often. I have witnessed it, experienced it myself to some degree after dosing constantly for 3 months straight. I was a bit spacy for 6 months or so. But I recovered.

But yeah, that tends to happen when you warp your entire perception of reality for multiple days / weeks at a time... it takes a while to get back to "baseline". True for anything but especially for a powerful mind-altering chemical like LSD.

I absolutely do not for one second believe that LSD causes permanent chromosome or brain damage or limits cognitive abilities like some people claim. Any "spacey" after-effects are for the most part completely temporary and even after extremely heavy binges and doses your normal perception does eventually return to baseline. In my experience and from the people I've been around.

I will hold one exception for that and that may be someone under a heavy dose and experiencing a very traumatic event or similar could suffer from longterm issues or PTSD or whatnot.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Shroomism]
    #19587836 - 02/19/14 01:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I will actually say psychedelics are less harmful than any legal drug you can buy. When I first started doing drugs I did cough medicine at least 80 times and that definitely is still something I recover from.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587868 - 02/19/14 01:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Just for the record I think psychedelics are a great thing. I like natural things more than man made things though. I sort of do have something against acid though because first off, the people who sell it are deceiving and say it is good when it is completely a different chemical from lsd and also a lot of people take it just so they can say they took it and say it is fun. It is a fucking psychedelic. Idk, I just get pissed at how these things will never be taken into society seriously to help people because pop culture is like "ohhh lets trip out maaaaan" when they don't even know what the hell it means to find happiness, or what it means to actually have a worthwhile experience.



LSD synthesized by a human in 1943


Nothing natural about that my friend lol..maybe ergot:shrug:

Idk I'm trying LSD for the first time this Friday


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587890 - 02/19/14 01:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

LSD is far from the "riskiest" traditional psychedelic out there.  In fact I'd argue that its the safest.  Sounds like you've been swallowing the rhetoric, acid is actually the most well researched of all psychedelics.  There is no more potential for risk than say psilocybin or DMT.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #19587906 - 02/19/14 01:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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LSD is far from the "riskiest" traditional psychedelic out there.  In fact I'd argue that its the safest.  Sounds like you've been swallowing the rhetoric, acid is actually the most well researched of all psychedelics.  There is no more potential for risk than say psilocybin or DMT.




Very true, exactly what my point is.. I'm not saying LSD is or isn't safe, but i do know that ergot is dangerous, one small fuck up on a chemists part can kill.. Not saying that people need to be worried about every hit they take, but at least have it in the back of your mind that there is an "ultimate" risk in ingesting chemicals, whose creator and process is almost always unknown.. A fun russian roulette of sorts


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587913 - 02/19/14 01:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I was pointing out that research chemicals have a extremely lower ld50. I have read a lot of books including Stanislav Grof so I'm no dummy.




What research drugs are we talking about?

I'd argue that any well researched drug is safe.  Also IMO LSD could still be considered a research drug.  I can't think of any drugs that are done being researched.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #19587917 - 02/19/14 01:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
I was pointing out that research chemicals have a extremely lower ld50. I have read a lot of books including Stanislav Grof so I'm no dummy.




What research drugs are we talking about?

I'd argue that any well researched drug is safe.  Also IMO LSD could still be considered a research drug.  I can't think of any drugs that are done being researched.




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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587932 - 02/19/14 01:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I will actually say psychedelics are less harmful than any legal drug you can buy. When I first started doing drugs I did cough medicine at least 80 times and that definitely is still something I recover from.




I'm sorry but you're not cut out for this.  I'm not sure if you're dramatic or just very sensitive.  I'd consider microdoses if you have had trouble with typical LSD doses.  There is no shame in that.  I take alot of very small doses when I am feeling addled.


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587935 - 02/19/14 01:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Just for the record I think psychedelics are a great thing. I like natural things more than man made things though. I sort of do have something against acid though because first off, the people who sell it are deceiving and say it is good when it is completely a different chemical from lsd and also a lot of people take it just so they can say they took it and say it is fun. It is a fucking psychedelic. Idk, I just get pissed at how these things will never be taken into society seriously to help people because pop culture is like "ohhh lets trip out maaaaan" when they don't even know what the hell it means to find happiness, or what it means to actually have a worthwhile experience.





you think this now, but your view will change over time and you will look back at this post and blush :blush:


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    #19587955 - 02/19/14 01:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Just for the record I think psychedelics are a great thing. I like natural things more than man made things though. I sort of do have something against acid though because first off, the people who sell it are deceiving and say it is good when it is completely a different chemical from lsd and also a lot of people take it just so they can say they took it and say it is fun. It is a fucking psychedelic. Idk, I just get pissed at how these things will never be taken into society seriously to help people because pop culture is like "ohhh lets trip out maaaaan" when they don't even know what the hell it means to find happiness, or what it means to actually have a worthwhile experience.




Come on, how old are you bud?

I think i just heard mom coming down the stairs, quick ! turn off your computer quick!!


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19587982 - 02/19/14 01:41 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've seen the video you're talking about but I can't remember the name off the top of my head. There was a TON of bs fear mongering and propaganda about LSD in that video...


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: theRAPeutic] * 1
    #19588012 - 02/19/14 01:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I've seen the video you're talking about but I can't remember the name off the top of my head. There was a TON of bs fear mongering and propaganda about LSD in that video...




Who are you talking to, OP?


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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Dr.Dankhead] * 1
    #19588016 - 02/19/14 01:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I've seen the video you're talking about but I can't remember the name off the top of my head. There was a TON of bs fear mongering and propaganda about LSD in that video...




Who are you talking to, OP?



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Re: I feel thumbprinting is a completely hoax. [Re: Dr.Dankhead] * 1
    #19588043 - 02/19/14 02:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Not quite. One of the DEA agents that was involved with the Picard(sp?) lsd lab actually ingested hundreds of thousands of hits. He shaved his neck before handling all of the lsd and the fumes went through his freshly opened pores. He had ingested some ridiculous quantity of lsd. He was rushed to the hospital and started having seizures and convulsions. He actually did recover quite well but he cannot read because it impaired his focus so much. It was part of a video I watched. Sorry for no source I can't seem to find it. So while you say that it didn't harm people, that is sort of relative. It might not have killed them, but it permanently effected their brain function, I guarantee that. Also my aunt who was a doctor in the 70's saw a lot of people go crazy from doing too much. I am not trying to sound like a anti-psychedelics person but acid is definitely the riskiest traditional psychedelic you can ingest. Research psychedelics are worse though because the ld50 is so much lower on rc's.




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