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Re: "Long live file sharing, death to bland culture" [Re: ]
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Real men use IRC.

And that is never going to die. A place where its easy to rip those $10,000 microsoft programs and it hasent really created any big complaints. yet tho i assume


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Re: "Long live file sharing, death to bland culture" [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ writes:

Don't make it sound as if it was Nirvana's intention to gouge fans, because it wasnt.

Nor is it necessarily the intention of the record companies to gouge fans and pay the artists peanuts.

Leaving the morality of the issue aside for the moment and looking strictly at the economics, there is an obvious point which has yet to be mentioned in this thread.

Record companies take a risk when they buy product for resale (which is all they are doing when they pay an artist for her product). The perceived level of risk determines the price paid for the product (advances and royalties) the price paid for marketing, and the price charged for the packaged product.

If a company determines that a given product has a potential market of ten million copies, there is a lot of potential money available to pay to the artist and promote the product. If that figure of ten million is split into nine million actual sales and one million pirated copies, the money available is still pretty good. If that same number is reversed -- one million sales and nine million pirated copies -- the advance money paid to the artist (presuming it was determined on a fair estimate of ten million units) can never be recouped by withholding royalties.

It doesn't take many instances like this for the record companies to realize that paying decent front money to the artist is dumb. Result -- the next artist signed gets a weeny little advance -- one that can be covered by the royalties of the weeny little sales which result from nine out of ten of the "buying" public not buying at all. Who suffers more, the company or the artist?

Another point no one seems to mention... without the promotion the record companies do, how will you ever know what music you want to own? Radio stations play them free. Hear a song you like, buy it. Guess which songs the radios play? The ones the record companies spent money bringing to their attention.

There may be a few fanatics for whom music is their whole life who are willing to download song after song from artists they know nothing about on the off chance that the song they are downloading is worth listening to, but it's a safe bet those people are few and far between.

"Hmmm...'Charcoal Tostitos' by Piranha River. Let's give that a listen.... *twiddles thumbs while downloading*... Yuck! That suxxors. Okay, how about 'Morning After Anguish' by Drippings of Dishrags.... *picks nose while downloading, examines findings*... Blaaahgh! Crap, total crap. Okay, how about 'Soup and Dope' by The Truss....*pokes cat with fork for several minutes while downloading*.... Aaaargh! These guys stink! Okay, let's try 'Grampa's High Yaller Ho' by Bakelite...."

If there were no record companies, how would you know what was worth downloading?

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Re: "Long live file sharing, death to bland culture" [Re: Phred]
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If there were no record companies, how would you know what was worth downloading?



I have not voluntarily listened to the radio or watched MTV for the past 3 years and I hear about new music all the time. Its called: "Social skills".

I know several DJs in my area that keep me informed about the latest techno. If I lose touch with them, I can always go to the local vynl shop and listen to their latest stuff. I can go to the arts district in my town and hear bands play. I can get internet radio ( www.bassdrive.com ) and find out about new artists and releases that way. I have friends in New York, LA, and the UK that keep me informed about whats goin on there.

Its too bad small record shops are being driven out of business by Blockbuster. Its too bad people are ignoring macrobiotic music in favor of mainstream crap promoted by a unified national media. Its too bad the RIAA is shutting down internet radio stations by forcing them to pay huge liscensing fees (while at the same time promoting their crap on radio waves with pay-per-play contracts). Its too bad "journalists" like the people at Rolling Stone dont look for good music and instead promote whatever they are paid to.

And yes, I do take chances downloading stuff I've never heard and only know about through word of mouth. If its crap (and 90% of it is), I delete it.

Physical distribution of media is obsolete. Mass media marketing of music is obsolete. Anyone with a $2,000 computer can produce professional quality recordings and production if they know what they are doing. Record labels have found themselves without a job and are desperately struggling to maintain their positions as unneccessary middle men.

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Re: "Long live file sharing, death to bland culture" [Re: Phred]
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If there were no record companies, how would you know what was worth downloading?

Maybe using programs like iRate, or sites like mp3.com? Admittedly these are fairly new concepts, but these ideas show that cartels like the RIAA are not really needed any more. With broadband becoming the norm, it's really not that much of an inconvenience to experiment with random tracks in the hope of finding something you like. If not, there are plently of blogs, shoutcast stations and websites to show you new music too.


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.

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Re: "Long live file sharing, death to bland culture" [Re: Edame]
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"Make it difficult to rip data straight from a CD and I garuntee you it will greatly curtail piracy."

They've done that, and it's nothing more than an inconvenience


really? last new CD I bought I was able to rip to mp3 format and share on the interet in a matter of minutes.

Maybe you're refering to software? Yeah, software with anticopy protection on it gets out there but it takes someone with knowlkedge and inclination to hack it, and they dont always do a good job (ie- Deviance- gotten a lot of bad hacked games from this group)

Anyway, putting the same anticopy technology on audio CDs thats on most games and SW already will make home piracy a lot more difficult. It wont stop it completly, but it will take piracy out of the intellectual range of just anybody. I mean come on, point and click MP3 rippers are a lot easier than line out recordings and reconversion to data. It wouldnt eliminate piracy, but it would raise the bar of intelligence, so to speak.

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Re: "Long live file sharing, death to bland culture" [Re: DoctorJ]
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They haven't done it on all CDs, but quite a few major label albums released recently have it.


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Re: "Long live file sharing, death to bland culture" [Re: Phluck]
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how does that work with the hardware?  do you need a special CD player to decrypt and play the music?

just curious.  havent studied encryption since 128 bit was top o the line :smile:

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Re: "Long live file sharing, death to bland culture" [Re: DoctorJ]
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I think the most recent ones cram the CD with useless noise and data that (some) hardware CD players will ignore, but PC's will read as faulty. Then the CD's have a second set of DRM'd windows media files that can only be played with software on the CD.

This does cause some problems and there have been complaints that all kinds of stereos won't play the CD's. Philips (creators of the CD) have quite rightly argued that these new copy protected 'CD's' aren't actually CD's at all, because they no longer conform to the agreed standards (by not playing on all CD hardware).


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The above is an extract from my fictional novel, "The random postings of Edame".
:tongue:

In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.

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Re: "Long live file sharing, death to bland culture" [Re: DoctorJ]
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I would like to see what happens when mp4 format comes out. It will be better quality and music files that are around 5mb now in mp3 format will then be less than 500kb.


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