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Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising.
    #19366408 - 01/03/14 11:45 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Does anyone have any information or experience growing this plant? I read a claim saying the active compound is more analgesic than morphine. Does anyone know anything about Incarvillea?


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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. [Re: BlackWidow]
    #19368152 - 01/04/14 01:05 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Woops. I meant to post this in the ethnobotanical garden. Can someone move this?


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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. [Re: BlackWidow]
    #19369837 - 01/04/14 07:06 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Stronger than morphine? But is it an opiate or are the subjective sedative effects stronger than morphine?


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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19377264 - 01/06/14 01:33 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

Here's from shamanis-Australis forum.

The highly substituted 1,3-dicarboxy-cyclobutane Incarvillateine occurs in the chinese plant Incarvillea sinensis with the traditional names Cheron, Jiao hao, Tougucao and Yuan bian zhong. The name of the genus, Incarvillea, came from the botanist Petrus d'Incarville who lived in Peking from 1740 to 1757. The plant is distributed from Yunnan in the south to Siberia in the north and Tibet in the West.
Incarvillea sinensis also contains the macrocyclic spermine alkaloids Incasines A,B, C and Verballocine, the monoterpene alkaloids Incarvilline, Incarvine A,B,C,D and Methoxycarvillateine and the flavonoid Isoliquiritin. It is one of the traditional herbal medicines in China, Tibet and Mongolia and is mainly used to treat rheumatism and relieve pain. Besides it is udes for detoxification, against cough, as laxative, jointache, cramps, eczemas, inflammations in the mouth, carbuncle, skin ailments, spongy gums, ulcers and wounds in chinese medicine.
And against chronic bronchitis, dry cough, lung abscess, otitis media, veneral disease, flatulence and dry faecal in mongolian medicine.
It is used in dosages from 5-15g, cooked in water or external use by a wrap with the dry powder.
The analgesic index (ED50) of Incarvillateine is better than Morphine (1,06-1,33 times) and appears to have a lower ceiling effect than Morphine!
Responsible for the analgesic properties is an agonistic action on mu- and kappa-opioid- receptors and an antagonistic on adenosine-receptors:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16204962
Forum link with more info: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=33345

I have some seeds I ordered not too long ago. I am definitely looking forward to growing this plant.


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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. (moved) [Re: BlackWidow]
    #19378076 - 01/06/14 04:46 PM (10 years, 24 days ago)

This thread was moved from Ethnobotanical Grow Logs and Pictures.

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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. (moved) [Re: karode13]
    #19381087 - 01/07/14 06:22 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

That's very interesting that it has effects on opioid receptors. Maybe if one of you grow it you can tell us what it's like?


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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. (moved) [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19383833 - 01/07/14 05:18 PM (10 years, 23 days ago)

:whathesaid: I'm very interested to find out more about this plant but info is kinda sparse. Has anyone found anything about hardiness zones for growth and what's needed to successfully cultivate?


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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. (moved) [Re: spaceman101]
    #19386757 - 01/08/14 07:35 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

Man somewhere out there there must be a plant that has better opiate effects than the poppy and we just don't know about it. :crazy2:


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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. (moved) [Re: spaceman101]
    #19393468 - 01/09/14 12:16 PM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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:whathesaid: I'm very interested to find out more about this plant but info is kinda sparse. Has anyone found anything about hardiness zones for growth and what's needed to successfully cultivate?




It can survive low temps which is nice.
Here is what I found:
"Easily grown in a deep well-drained sandy but rich soil in full sun[1, 200]. Plants grow better if they are given some shade around midday[200]. Dislikes dry summer soils and winter wet[200]. One report says that this species should be grown in a greenhouse[1] whilst another says that it is hardy to about -15°, tolerating lower temperatures if the roots are well mulched, preferably with dry bracken[200]. The crown of the plant requires protection from slugs in the winter[187]. A very ornamental plant, it usually takes about 1 - 2 years to come into flower from seed[1]. A variable species[214], some forms are perennial whilst others are annual[1]. I. sinensis sinensis is an annual whilst I. sinensis variabilis (Batal.)Grierson is a perennial[200]. Plants are intolerant of root disturbance, it is best to place them in their permanent positions whilst small[200]. The plants will often sulk for several years if they are divided[214]."

Source: http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Incarvillea+sinensis

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Source: http://prairiebreak.blogspot.com/2013/08/alphabetical-august-stroll-through-my.html?m=1


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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. (moved) [Re: BlackWidow]
    #19405290 - 01/11/14 06:56 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

One of the Shroomery sponsored vendors (World Seed Supply) is currently selling it amazingly cheap. Everything about it sounds promising as far as what receptors it affects (MU & Kappa Opioid.)

I'm about to order some and report back. I have absolutely no opiate tolerance, so we'll see how it goes. :laugh:

If you guys can't find WSS, here is the link:
http://www.blujay.com/item/100g-20-1-Extract-Incarvillea-Sinensis-Chinese-Analgesic-Herb-19010400-4625417


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Re: Incarvillea sinensis? This plant sounds promising. (moved) [Re: kr0nik0]
    #19405338 - 01/11/14 07:11 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

It sure does SOUND PROMISING :thumbup:
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