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Papaver Somniferum in the garden
    #24912642 - 01/14/18 12:23 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

I have several somniferum seed cultivars to try the coming spring

izmir afghan special
pink (somniferum)
persian blue


Are you growing poppy?


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: zaros]
    #24912667 - 01/14/18 12:59 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

I also going to grow some poppys this season.
Have ordered a few varietys to try, one beeing the izmir afghan special that you also have.
Going to put them in the refridgerator to get a better germination rate.
I think i going to sow them in peat jiffy bricks or small plastic pots inside at first.
Then plant them in their final place outside when little bigger.
Just put the whole jiffy brick in the soil so not to disturb the roots, they dont like repotting or disturbing of roots.
This way i dont have to worry about snails when they are small.
Also i can start them little erlier compared if sowing seeds directly in ground outside.

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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: zaros]
    #24912709 - 01/14/18 02:03 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

No, its first time but yes i may do the same perhaps i may try both environments for successful results. My goals in growing these varietals is to blend the flowers for a unique blend of my own selection, I've chosen these seeds for light purple and pink color. Of course i also have the other characteristics in mind with these varieties of poppy to investigate; there really is not a lot of info about breeding selection with this plant such as with blue foliage as an indication of alkaloidal content.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Mateo]
    #24912884 - 01/14/18 04:57 PM (5 years, 22 days ago)

I have read somewhere that poppy always dies when transplanted, it doesnt tolerate it, so if you wanna use the fridge most likely you must use jiffys, rockwool, egg shells filled with peat, ect


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Feroxx]
    #24913173 - 01/14/18 07:35 PM (5 years, 22 days ago)

Yes, they dont like to be transplanted at all.
But if one grows then in jiffy bricks or small containers and put the whole thing into the new location it usually works.
If one disturbs the roots they have a high chance to die.
They dont like hot temps.
I tried raise seed indoors in 23 degrees C and they did germinate but the small plant soon died.
When i tried put the pots outdoors they survived and grew well.

Be aware of snails, they seem to love eating poppys.

I use the refridgerator to simulate the winter period.
It´s called cold straification or something similar.
It makes the germination rate go up quite a bit.
Some plants need it to germinate good.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Mateo]
    #24913975 - 01/15/18 01:21 AM (5 years, 22 days ago)

They need plenty of light to sprout, i presume you mean cold stratification.

The ziar breadseed from slovakia im thinking might be an heirloom varietal worth investigating.

Has anybody an opinion of bread-seed poppy cultivar alkaloid contents?


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Feroxx]
    #24976363 - 02/08/18 08:55 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I got my chicks and hens poppies to germinate by simply putting ice cubes on top of the soil twice a day. Took about a week and half for them to pop out.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: mmcc]
    #24976587 - 02/08/18 11:07 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

You can just put the seeds if a cold place, like the fridge, for a while.
A few weeks at least.
They will not germinate in the refridgerator, you should just store them there.
Then sow them and the germination rate is much better.
It simulates passing the winter period.
That is why poppy seeds seem to sprout just after a cold period, or some icecubes on soil like you did.
It seem to get the biological clock starting in the seed and it wants to grow.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Mateo]
    #24976635 - 02/08/18 11:32 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Cold stratification isn't necessary. They sprout quite well without it.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: karode13]
    #24976700 - 02/09/18 12:09 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

it’s my first time growing and everyone seems to think it necessary or at least helpful. anyone think I can sell dried pods to flower arrangement stores? That’s the main reason why I’m growing them.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: karode13]
    #24976788 - 02/09/18 12:52 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Cold stratification isn't necessary. They sprout quite well without it.




For me it seems some of my seeds that i didn´t use any longer cold stratification on have big problems germinating.
Now this is indoors, outdoors it´s probably not an issue for natural reasons.
Some varietys have germinated very well, others just a seed or 2 and some not at all yet.
I have seeds in my refrigerator so i will try sow some later and then i will se if cold stratification has any inpact on this.
It might just be old or bad seeds (they are newly purchased, but that gives no garantees ), we will see in a month roughly.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Mateo]
    #24984021 - 02/11/18 04:33 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

maybe it's the canadian climate, but honestly every time I've grown them I've basicaly sprinkiled a buch of seeds, kicked some dirt over em, light watering, and about week later they'd be sprouting... all I'd really have to do was thin them out a bit so they weren't competing or whatever... by the end of summer they'd be all growed up and ready to make tea out of... serioulsy, almost zero maintnance... I'd let some of them die where they stood and wouldn't even need to re-plant them next season, pretty much like weeds tbh  :shrug:

not bragging by any means, just never heard of all this stuff you need to do... I even threw a few pods in the ditch driving down the highway once just to see what would happen, a month later there were poppies :lol:


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: LuSiD9]
    #25021593 - 02/26/18 03:31 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Cold stratification may not always be necessary with all subspecies of somniferum TBH.. The white-seeded varieties from central/Asia for instance I've gotten great germination rates however the persian blue i have are much more finicky about pre-existing conditions and although a lot had germinated none had survived indoors to produce their first set of true leaves.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: mmcc]
    #25022020 - 02/26/18 06:46 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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it’s my first time growing and everyone seems to think it necessary or at least helpful. anyone think I can sell dried pods to flower arrangement stores? That’s the main reason why I’m growing them.



I would be very hesitant about selling them at all. Unless you claim they are some other type of poppy. Also I don't imagine them buying them for anything more than like .50 each at that price you might as well keep them


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Crispy224]
    #25022029 - 02/26/18 06:53 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

ive seen dried poppy pods go for like $600/lbs online. I'd imagine each city or county has their own regulations i'd have to check.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: mmcc]
    #25022253 - 02/26/18 09:10 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I would check your local regulations about selling pods.
You could always go into a flower arrangment store and ask if they would like to buy some pods and if they know the regulations.
Either they tell you it´s illegal, they don´t want any or they want some.

Are you sure you grow them to sell the pods for arrangements?
Don´t think it´s a viable buissness idea.
So much work for so little money.

One can grow them for other reasons though :smile:


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Mateo]
    #25026837 - 02/28/18 02:25 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

600/lb is absolute horse shit. Not saying that you are lying or anything, but fuck. Fifteen years ago, you could order a shit load for dirt cheap. Ebay was a great place to buy them. Times has changed though. Most people dont even sell them anymore. And well, those that do....

Doesnt seem like a lucrative business at all, if you actually are telling the truth as to you seriously wanting to do that. Then again, i respect your desire to not say anything also. But you would need a massive field to make any money off of flower shops. No flower shops are likely willing to pay 600/lb bro. People who want to get high and vendors who know this are the reason prices are as high as you said. Cultuvation and knowingly distributing opium poppies for drug use is a very serious offense. I know you mentioned the flower shops, but if one person gets high on your product and you know that and continue doing any business w them, Its over with. A poppy farm and wholesale distributor would certainly warrent the attention of the federal government. If you want to grow and get high, go for it. But the days of flower shops and small 'legitimate poppy farms' in the US are thing of the past. There are strict laws in place that keep poppy cultivation in other countries and not in the US. poppy cipult was once a grey area of the law and prosecutions were rare... but in the middle of the opioid epidemic and iver the years this has changed. I still doubt any cop would be able to spot a poppy in a garden, a small farm could possibly be a little harder to keep on the dl. Esp if youre going for weight. Sometimes one plant yields just one pod. Sometimes its low like that. Even if its three or four, its still a lot of plants and its still a lot of space.

I mean no disrespect at all. But its a bad idea. Growing poppies on the other hand is not... if you truely respect the poppy and enjoy what it has to offer, just be smart about it and dont put yourself out there too much. And dont do what i did and fall in love with poppies and then get hooked on pain pills and later heroin. Poppies are off the table for me now, and i often miss growing them for their beauty. But after dancing the dope fiend walk for so long, i know its something that must remain retired.

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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25027132 - 02/28/18 04:23 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Not a rant but thoughtful advice. as far as I know it’s not illegal for ornamental purposes. But the chance someone buys a flower arrangement full of pods to get high is definitely high and risky, and not a risk most flower shops would want to take. you’re totally right and have considered this lol. Are pods that addictive? Thought there was a huge gap between pod and heroin. I wonder if you could grow poppies for the gov for pharmaceutical purposes. I think you could but I doubt just anyone can get licensed to do so.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: mmcc]
    #25027171 - 02/28/18 04:34 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Are pods that addictive?





They can be. People with low self control can end up in sad spaces. Any form of opiate carries the risk of addiction.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: karode13] * 1
    #25027384 - 02/28/18 05:55 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Opioids in general are addictive. People with addictive personalities should def stay clear of them. Opium's main consitute is morphine. Morphine needs to be acetylated in the brain before it can pass and become active... heroin is (in a nut shell) simply an acetylated form Of morphine. Heroin was actually marketed as a cure (or perhaps a 'treatment option' would be better worded) for morphine addiction. And yeah i agree, opium has a complex of other chemical constitutes/alkaloids which affect the morphine experience and can either add or subtract from it... nevertheless, the dangers of morphine addiction can be just as threatening w natural opium. There have been junkies for thousands of years. Some people make the claim that opium can be worse of an addiction because of the various other opiates present, that the user gets dependent to as well. Morphine has only been around for a few hundred years (1805)...It was actually the first phytochemical isolated from a plant and this was considered a landmark event in science.... not necc at that time, but big picture... some argue it was a true beginning to the world of pharmacology that we have today... but im getting way off track here.

You prob could grow poppies formthe government for whatever purposes. But i bet it would take some serious clearance if it were done in the states... my bet is that it would be done overseas. And honestly it prob has been done overseas already quite a bit. And back to the ornamental thing... yes that was the grey area i think i touched on. Many years ago this was a comfortable cube of freedom. No one really got caught, except for extreme cases. Hell the first time i ever even consumed poppies was from a rip (i know :facepalm: i was an asshole but i was also a teenager) from an elderly couples house. They had poppies all over their front yard. Not millions but def out in the open and spreAd out. For a young punk like me who was reading Hogshire's 'Opium For The Masses' @ the time, it was quite the sight! Anyway, i mention that to sy this.... their house was several blocks away from a cop station, a military base and a border patrol station.... a shitload of these people drove past their house everyday. Honestly i dont think any of them knew what it was except me and the eldery couple. And unless someone saw either of them harvesting and they too knew what they were, would like not even persue it. Worse case scenario theyd request to just have them ripped up.

Nowadays, again w the onset of this epidemic were facing, more discovered crops are likely to be investigated and persued. Esp if it was a large number of plants. All im saying is that theres a reason there arent as many pod vendors as there use to be. It was a pretty big business back then... why wouldnt another band of gypsies hop on the wagon and get their crack at the action? Its prob why its harder to find at floral shops nowadays... at least something clean and unsprayed. The pressure from the DEA can make even legitimate businesses sway away from that. Kind of like what happened w ephedra root and the meth explosion. Where is ephedra root in the US anymore? Where did it go? See what im saying?


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: zaros]
    #25027627 - 02/28/18 08:18 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Heroin contains multiple morphine molecules bonded together, I gather from what somebody wrote something of an article writing the difference between morphine and heroin.
Is it not that uncommon for pods to become accidentally crushed in nature, to speak of the somniferum var paeoniflorum (including laciniatum) i believe such as that only a few cultivars such as the norman exist without considerable traces of morphine as result of being from the somniferum genera.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: zaros]
    #25028293 - 02/28/18 06:02 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I have heard people make the claim, that h was two morphine molecules attached and thats what makes it stronger, but just looking at the two molecules by comparison clears this up. It apears to just be the same morphine molecule except that two acetyl groups have been attached. Henece the name, diacetylmorphine. This acetylated feature is what makes heroin so strong upon its entry into the brain. It can slip right in and likely more of it can slip in than would be possible in its natural, morphine form. Though essentially, both h and m get broken down into the exact same chemicals in the brain. Its the entry point that is making the significant difference here.

And yes pods and plants get crushed. I wasnt speaking of any damage... i was speaking of obvious lancing and harvesting. That is illegal all the way.... will anyone ever catch a grower doing this? Is it so obvious to everyday America? I'd put my money on no. A grower will likely never get caught if they are smart. Toward the end of my stint w poppies, i lived next door to a cop and i still grew, lanced and smoked opium ontop of skunk in my old backyard in the sunny afternoons of yesterdays spring.

The paeoniflorum? If were talking about the same variety, i grew this quite a bit. The pink, multi petaled blooms that look like pom poms? Excellent species to work w. If anything just for its beauty. Maybe i had something diff because those got me very high :cool: it did seem a little different from the other main strain i grew at that time, but it was still active. Id be very surprised to hear that it didnt have morphine.

Then again...Maybe there is a true somni out there that looks like the paeoniflorum too. Because when i stopped growing, or missed a few seasons, but was still opioid dependent, i came across some blooms out in the open. Being in withdrawal and quite desperate, i went for a small harvest. If i remember correctly, they didnt do really much st all for me. Normal pods would alleviate withdrawal and even go as far as generating a euphoric effect, speaking of pod tea that is.... but these were off a considerable amount. They looked great and were in full sun and soil. They shouldve been the bomb but i couldnt help but scratch my head on that one.

Anyway... does anyone know if there are indeed two lookalikes out there?
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One a side note, back to cultivation. Im w karode, there is no need to start anything in the fridge. Storing seed is fine, but def not needed for germination. Ive germed seeds in the hottest months of summer, here in the Gulf. They sprouted just fine... the issue lies mostly w their delicate nature i believe. Yeah just about every seed germed, but just about every one died too because of intense weather conditions (ie heat) they really prefer to be already established plants when the warm weather comes on. It doesnt take much to cook a flat of seedlings dead from too little moisture or too much light/heat in warmer months. In cooler temps the soil doesnt dry out as fast as well as other conditions that im sure im leaving out.

And no they dont like transplants. I would always sugggest to sow where you want to grow and finish. For sowing.... A good till w worm castings and bone meal goes a loooong way :heart:


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25028457 - 02/28/18 07:13 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I transplanted some seedlings, literally lifted them off the ground, since I started a bunch in one pot and they’re doing fine. But they were only a week old with little tiny root systems. Couldn’t imagine transplanting at a later stage tho, their roots are really spindly.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: mmcc]
    #25029388 - 03/01/18 12:38 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Got me some Izmir Galania (supposedly GMO) and Izmir bush poppy seeds for this season :smile:
Gonna start sowing some of my Persian whites & Tasmanian giants from last year tomorrow. Got a little patch in the ground I can put some this year in addition to the potted up ones.


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    #25029601 - 03/01/18 02:28 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Ta da.... :smile:

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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Mateo]
    #25029662 - 03/01/18 02:56 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

them lookin nice mateo. what is the test?

these are the hens&chicks I got going.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: mmcc]
    #25029679 - 03/01/18 03:02 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I was just testing if i needed some cold startification for seeds to germinate.
Tazmainians germinated directly, a few Izmir has germinated but no persian whites.
I have the seeds stored in my refridgerator now so they are ready when snow goes away here.
I will try these ones indoors though.
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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: zaros]
    #25029897 - 03/01/18 04:16 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome i think they could have been a number of species like papaver glaucum and setigerum for instance thought to be "closely related to and sometimes treated as a sub-species of opium poppy", dwarf breadseed poppy. Although I'm not surprised i wouldn't think most cultivars to be so psychoactive without distinctions like white coating.

Izmir farms appears as just an online address listing, i checked the internet archive and the izmir site have only ever been registered and used by organicalbotonicals, I dont think the plant is genetically modified any way, at least i don't think there's clear sign of it. it's a hybrid.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: zaros]
    #25032506 - 03/02/18 08:21 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

This is a quote from the article regarding afghan poppy seeds genetically modified:

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a new strain of genetically modified seed that comes from China, which allows poppies to be grown year round


This should mean that the afghan special gmo varietal is an perennial instead of annual i believe presuming it does not die from the cold or whatnot.


I think I'm sure poppy seed tea has come further closer into mainstream with the prosperity of online access to information hand in hand with the opioid crisis. This plant has many roots from history associated with its use today but the whole poppy paradigm is changing i think especially regarding the legitimacy of folks that cultivate it in their personal garden, that is for sure. Amazon has listings of "high alkaloid level" seeds and there is more variety than ever before right now, Its an resurgence. Its become much more available than it was.


For me personally its Horticultural. The opium poppy was a magical ritual plant among the Germanic tribes. They reportedly planted poppies in fields known as odâinsackr (Old Norse, “field of the living”) and revered these places convalescent sites where healing miracles would occur.
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There are numerous finds from Neolithic contexts, mainly from Switzerland, but with some from south-west Germany and north Italy And Spain. Excavations at Egolzwil, an archaeological site located in Switzerland’s Lucerne canton, have revealed signs of poppy cultivation dating back more than six thousand years, including poppy seed cakes and poppy heads. Evidence suggests that poppies were the most common crop at Egolzwil, more common than club wheat, barley, or flax.




I think with folks publicizing their grows it lends credit to its legitimization. I dont think i would appreciate its flowers differently from others if not for its life blood that adds a sense of novelty. I think they're really beautiful and would not respect another flower in the same light.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: zaros]
    #25032640 - 03/02/18 10:40 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Dont believe the super gene modified seed thing.
It´s a seller story.
Chances a very slim that it actually are GMO seeds and if actually so, they probably are the Thebaine variant witch is NOT what yoy want.
It´s most likely relabeled standard poppy seeds, hopefully of a good strain.
Izmir farm is a seed imorter, is it not?
Like just a webpage selling seeds.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Mateo]
    #25032793 - 03/02/18 03:01 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I keep seeing stories of different GMO poppies, the perennial one, the supposedly super potent afghan one used to make bulk heroin ect ect. I figure its mostly sensationalism and click bait, if there is anything to these claims we would see a lot more about it on ethnobotanical forums like this, the seeds would be everywhere already.  because if these things do exist and are being grown in open fields in Afghanistan there is no way a few pods wouldn’t go "missing" from the grows and turn up all over the internet. with reviews from growers verifying their existence

I mean someone down the line whether a farmer/farm hand/passerby/marine ect wouldn’t swipe some for a quick side buck/sale. that’s how we got the current afghan stains, someone some ware swiped some seeds from plants bred for opium production and now almost every poppy seller carries them or at least claims their the seeds from the opium fields.

TLDR if there is a super GMO poppy out there that isn’t toxic like Norman well start to hear about it...probably on this forum from its users.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: DGB]
    #25033062 - 03/02/18 06:04 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Not sure what plant you guys are talking about but I have some afghan blue seeds I have yet to start? I’d like a perennial poppy that’d be cool. It is strange that they are sold and marketed as high alkaloid content on amazon.


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    #25033068 - 03/02/18 06:08 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Not strange, it get more sales that way.
Even if it is a ornamental poppy.


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Re: going to grow somniferum plants [Re: Mateo]
    #25033578 - 03/02/18 09:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I think the izmir seeds are excellent if not for their false advertising/misinformation and expensive pricing. They wont give you many to get started with, 2000 seeds could be over $100 depending on what you select over there.. and they wont send extra!


Very good points Mateo thank you. @mmcc, There is a lot of different seeds with the name of afghan blue going around, I've picked up a pack of them and though i don't know whether they might be purple/pinks or red and white i would like to see what you got! :smile: Hens and chicks is pretty cool also.


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