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Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen
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First rule: tea is made of tea. Period. Other hot beverages based on leaves of vegetation different from the Tea Bush (Thea sinensis) are not tea. However, hot water and tea leaves do not necessarily make good tea. The ways of wasting the precious leaves are amazingly plentiful and widespread. In America, for instance, making bad tea seems to be a matter of patriotism since the infamous incident in Boston.

Second rule: forget those paperbags. They are filled with the dust swept from the floor at tea factories. The bags give the tea an unmistakable flavor of cellulose. In Russia, we call it "the postman's tea", because it comes in envelopes.

Third rule: never cook the tea leaves. The first contact of the tea leaves with water should happen right after the boiling of the latter. Neither before, nor long after. If you cook the tea leaves, you will obtain a liquid almost, but not entirely, unlike tea, fit for leather tanning, rather than drinking.



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The basic steps of zavarka preparation are as follows:

  1. Put a certain amount of tea leaves into some pot,
  2. Pour kipyatok onto them (approx. one cup for each five teaspoons) in one resolute spurt,
  3. Wait until all the leaves sink.

WARNING:

    Never drink the zavarka undiluted. It has a strong narcotic effect, causing intense heartbeat, hallucinations and restlessness. This effect has been widely used by captives in Russian prisons and forced labor camps, since tea has always been included into the rations of the prisoners. The name of tea-based narcotics in the Russian criminal slang is "chephyr". If you introduce Russian tea-drinking into some non-Russian company, don't forget to label the zavarka pot! Otherwise, ignorant people might drink its content, and die of a heart attack as a consequence. You, in turn, may face lawsuits or vendetta depending on the culture you live in.




http://home.fazekas.hu/~nagydani/rth/Russian-tea-HOWTO-v2.html#ss1.1

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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: durian_2008]
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This isn't really on topic here in the Ethnobotanical Garden.  It's also lame that you didn't even post anything other than regurgitated stuff from another site, and further that the site is so hard-headed to say only Camellia sinensis (not Sinensis camellia) can be used to make "real" tea.  There are plenty of other plants out there that will produce tea from those same steps described above.


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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: PoC]
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Rooibos mmmmmmmmmmmmm :drooling:


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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: PoC]
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Relax, PatternofChaos. When you give a critique of an innocent posting with a userid like that, it makes you look like a gaslighter, and I don't intend to overreact for your entertainment.

You may find very many posts, under my profile, in which I consider divergent points of view. If you have something insightful or productive to add, I would be interested to read it.

PatternOfChaos said:
This isn't really on topic here in the Ethnobotanical Garden.



Camellia sinensis has long been cultivated with the express intention of altering human consciousness, no matter how subtly.

(Common tea has even been forbidden by some countries and religious systems, because of it's stimulant properties.)

The linked author thoroughly discusses the cultural connotations of Camellia preparation, i.e. what makes it Russian.

I was personally captivated by the use this unusual appliance and felt the article was of anthropological interest.


(samovar)

In particular, I thought this would apply to the ethnogarden, because several of us grow the plant, and there have been widespread rumors about it being abused for more dramatic effects, both good and bad.

PatternOfChaos said:
It's also lame that you didn't even post anything other than regurgitated stuff from another site



I have also crossposted material about tobacco use, which applies to us.

I felt that the customs and etiquette of plant use would be interesting to the forum.

PatternOfChaos said:
the site is so hard-headed to say only Camellia sinensis (not Sinensis camellia) can be used to make "real" tea.



Russians brew a wide variety of drinks from local twigs and berries, but they are not called by the same name.

PatternOfChaos said:
There are plenty of other plants out there that will produce tea from those same steps described above.



This true. The samovar is used for many different beverages, besides "tea."

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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: durian_2008]
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A gaslighter?

This would more properly fit into the culinary arts section than in the EG as the topic doesn't involve cultivation and is more about cooking than gardening.  We don't talk about extractions here either, do we?  Don't get me wrong, I normally enjoy your posts, but you didn't even say anything except for quoting people.  At least now there's some of your own words in this thread.


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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: PoC]
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The cooking does make it more culinary themed however it is not too far off.

In order to keep to topic, how about we discuss the properties of growing Camellia sinensis :yesnod:


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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: PoC]
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PatternOfChaos said:
A gaslighter?



Have you never heard the expression?

At least in your profile, you invoke chaos and follow up with, "Relax."

This behavior pattern is especially prevalent among some forum users.

PatternOfChaos said:
This would more properly fit into the culinary arts section than in the EG as the topic doesn't involve cultivation and is more about cooking than gardening.



Unless you have a samovar, which you don't know how to use, this is probably a cultural segue.

PatternOfChaos said:
We don't talk about extractions here either, do we?



I explicitly advise readers against using this as an extraction TEK, by calling it dangerous.

Then, the quoted author says that it is deadly.

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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: durian_2008]
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:facepalm:

Lets cool down guys, anymore hostility and the threads getting dumped

Lets keep it on the plant Camellia sinensis, please.


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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: Cactusdan]
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a liquid almost, but not entirely, unlike tea

I really hope this is an intentional reference to the Hitchhiker's Guide.

Also, the linked material is hilariously Russian. Like... the word choice and overall attitude screams "Russia," I guessed the origin after the first few lines.  For those in the dark kipyatok is just the Russian for "boiling water." 

As for the validity of tea extraction as a narcotic and hallucinogen, undoubtedly it's a consequence of an extremely high dose of caffeine and theanine, the alkaloids most present in the tea plant.  Theanine is actually a pretty interesting chemical, and is worth reading up on.  Anyway, tea concentrate sounds largely unpleasant, and I wouldn't try it.  But that's coming from me, who hates uppers, has trouble sleeping anyways, and reluctantly drinks tea and coffee a few times a week because I like the taste and sometimes need to stay awake, even though I feel like shit after the effects wear off. 

And to please Dan, I saw some Camellia sinensis plantations when I was travelling through Georgia and Azerbaijan.  Unfortunately I didn't snap any pictures.  It's a cool plant, with an interesting history.


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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: Horticulture]
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(Not my pic.)

My seeds have never made it past the second set of adult leaves, and only 5 of the 100 seeds I planted have germinated, last year.

I'm not sure whether they can accept full sun, at this stage.

Also, I've noticed that seeds from many species take several years to come out of dormancy.

I used to wonder why there was a global trade for something which would grow in so many climate zones, but I now believe that a serious, working garden of tea plants would take many years to establish - especially if this was a staple in your diet.

Edited by durian_2008 (12/06/09 03:02 PM)

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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: Horticulture]
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Horticulture said:
Anyway, tea concentrate sounds largely unpleasant, and I wouldn't try it.



I have even heard, from at least two people, that smoked leaves caused their lungs to bleed, and they claimed to have been warned, first.

(90+ results for Camellia in ethnogarden, BTW.)

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Re: Thea Sinensis Camellia as a Dangerous Hallucinogen [Re: durian_2008]
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It's not that it's about camellia, it's that it's about brewing/extracting where the EG is more a place for growing information :shrug:

I personally love camellia and would love to learn more about it.


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