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OfflineSillyPillgrum
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Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said?
    #4230730 - 05/28/05 06:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know if you've heard of these "Angel Trumpet" flowers before but I found a tree that had about 50 drooping from it in my neighborhood. These certain ones are from the Brugmansia suaveolens family.

Anyways, I Picked three fullsize flowers and boiled until i got a somewhat conentrate. Does anyone know about these flowers other than the fact that I might die if i drink this concentrate?


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: SillyPillgrum]
    #4230911 - 05/28/05 07:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

if angel trumpets, you mean datura, yeah.. its mean shit. not enjoyable would be a huge understatement. its also considered a poison by most


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: zSDMF]
    #4231145 - 05/28/05 09:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

From some experiences I read it said it was "interesting". But from most it was a trip to the hospital deal. I'd do alot of research on erowid or do what I do: collect info and do the nerdy thing and write it down/summarize on a piece of paper like Pros/Cons and stuff like that. I mean, we can preach and tell you no all we want, but you have to make the decision. But do what I said and weigh it out for yourself. I'd also pray and keep my spirits up too. If you trip bad, then you'll freak out; that stuff is really strong. And I'd pray to whatever diety you believe in, spiritual or otherwise. Pray to a math equation or whatever, just do it : \


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: SillyPillgrum]
    #4231264 - 05/28/05 09:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Erowid: Datura Vault

It is an anticholinergic delerient. Its "high" or "trip" results ALWAYS from an overdose, a toxic delerium. It is not fun. It is dangerous. It is deadly. Do your research... and use the search.


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: delta9]
    #4231292 - 05/28/05 10:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If you're lucky you'll be stuck in a horrifying dissasociative/hallucinogenic trip in which you can't tell reality from hallucination and that lasts for hours or days.

If you're so-so lucky, you'll end up in the hospital.

If you aren't lucky, you'll end up dead.

As delta said, the trip is always the result of a toxic shock-type effect.

I'd stay away, and have. But then again, I'm not you. Let us know what you decide :smile:


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: SillyPillgrum]
    #4231968 - 05/29/05 12:49 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

From the sound of it why would anyone want to put this shit in their bodies?  :confused:


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: Oddish]
    #4232026 - 05/29/05 01:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Either because they don't know enough about it, or because they have a desire to totally surrender themselves to a substance and see what can be seen when the gates of hell are unlocked... Not to be tried at home and not to be tried without at least one very good trip sitter.

Really, there is no reason any average one, nay, most every one should ever ingest these substances to intoxication (quite literally toxified).


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: Oddish]
    #4232293 - 05/29/05 03:17 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Oddish said:
From the sound of it why would anyone want to put this shit in their bodies?  :confused:




It is the difference between wanting to have a nice journey, using a substance as the gateway. Or wanting to get "Fucked up MAaaaaaan".

As in some people I used to know, even though the risks had been explained to them, still injested the plant and ended up in a hospital for their whole vacation.  Fun right?


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: whiterabbit13]
    #4232348 - 05/29/05 04:11 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i would only do it when i have done a thumprint and smoked and broke thru on salvia and DMT which ihave not yet! lol


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: SillyPillgrum]
    #4233887 - 05/29/05 06:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #4233920 - 05/29/05 06:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

ive known dozens whove done it, 2 ended up in hospital, one of which after the trip for drug testing.
about half got hurt in some way, most lost articles of clothing.
none died, and some ate ALOT.
that said, yes it can kill you.
mucarine is an antidote. it can be obtained from monkshood or wolfbane. its also in certain mushrooms.
if youre going to tryy angels trumpet (brugmansia) or datura in spite of the doomsayers, have a trip sitter who can restrain you. and administer a low dose of muscarine to kill the anticholinergic delerium. when in doubt, call 911.


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4234474 - 05/29/05 10:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I tried it. No It Didn't work well but let me tell you, For the brief 20 minutes after i drank a third of the "juice" i had made, i felt extremely euphoric. Then it stopped affecting me and so I went and got drunk. I won't try it again, for I am petrified after my friend told me that he shot a "KorN" poster in his room with a pistol because he thought they were trying to kill him.

Until I am older and can actually analyze brugmansia families in the lab and create dosages, I'll stay away.
I guess that's the end of that experimentation for me.


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: SillyPillgrum]
    #4235944 - 05/30/05 09:24 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

At first, when it's coming up you feel very high, then a lot of visuals and then first 3d hallucinations... and you still know that you are tripping.

Shortly later on you lose all sense of reality, jumping from one story to another... dreaming, not able to put any coherent toughs in words. Forgetting...

Worst thing is body high, dryness, hard breathing... trying to swallow is so irritating.

But is interesting. To me it was so I did it few times...


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    #4236367 - 05/30/05 01:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4236564 - 05/30/05 02:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Mitchnast said:

mucarine is an antidote. it can be obtained from monkshood or wolfbane




Both of these plants are highly toxic probably even more so than datura. Don't try to self medicate with other poisons just phone an ambulance


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    #4237432 - 05/30/05 06:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: pod3]
    #4237553 - 05/30/05 07:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Why the hell don't companies start treating datura seeds instead of morning glories? If someone takes too many morning glories, let them, but if someone does too much datura and they go into a coma; thats stupid imho.


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: pod3]
    #4237615 - 05/30/05 08:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

pod3 said:
No, atropine is an antidote to muscarine:





they are antidotes for eachother.
one is a cholinergic, the other anticholinergic.

one cancels the other out.
subsequently, if you OD on datura, monkhood is far less toxic to you. and you cant be an advocate of recreational drug-plant use and then alo condem self medicating.
thats just hypocracy. its better to know the antidote.
monkshood may be more toxic, but in cases of atropine poisoning, this is actually a good thing.
obviously keep the dosage low. muscarine by itself in low levels is rarely fatal.
and as i said, when in doubt call 911, hey and if you are american enjoy your $5000+ hospital bill for a cup of charcoal, restraints, and a catheter.
some clitocybe and inocybes are also mucarine-containing.
easily stored too. if youre going to be doing datura anyway, a half gram or so of dried red-staining inocybe would help you. thats WAY below a lethal dose. even without the atropine.

you can always tie yourself up and drink your own charcoal as well. forget the cathater, youre not going to pee much on atropine hyoscamine or scopolomine. i would think the monkshood would be far nicer.


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: Lazerouth]
    #4237622 - 05/30/05 08:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

also, lazerouth, monkhood and wolfsbane are the same plant.


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Re: Are "Angel Trumpets" As dangerous as is said? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4237676 - 05/30/05 08:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

hmm forget the monkshood. yourte right too much other stuff in it. i stand by the inocybes tho.

actually i can't find any info about monkshood containing muscarine anymore. i know ive read it before must have been misinformation, ill look into this some more


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