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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: GazzBut]
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No, the fact that the 'Palestinians' want to and have tried to wipe them out does though.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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Shak, the entire point of creating a homeland for a "people" is to take people who once had a nation, but now do not. The reason it is so important to point out that "jewish" isnt an ethnicity is simply to show that they never had a nation in the first place. The Hebrew tribes that lived in that land a couple of thousand years ago are mostly arabs, so if you are going to create a homeland in jerusalem, it should be the arabs that live there.

This is the history of the region. How can you expect a people who have lived there for centuries to forget about being displaced by people thousands of miles away, in only 60 or so years? That is a fresh memory to these people. To us, 60 years seems like a long time to hold a grudge, but we are a new nation, with a short history. We have strong ties with the nation we broke from. America is basically the spoiled child of the world. We are strong, but with all of the perspective of an 8 year old.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
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Your argument is bullshit. There have been Jews in the area for centuries. Here is another little tidbit that you may conveniently ignore. The Jews that did migrate to the area bought most of the land they inhabit. It was purchased from Arabs. They also set up schools, hospitals, newspapers, and every other thing that makes a coutry what it is.

The whole argument you are putting forth does not really matter anyway. Israel clearly has a legal right to exist. It is legal, and has been for quite some time. The 'Palestinians' have been offered a dual state repeatedly, and they always ultimately reject it.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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Legal? Why? Because we say so?

The Palestinians have never recognized that and have been fighting it ever since. Your, "We stole this from you a long time ago, so get over it already" argument is so very typical of american thinking.

According to Palestinian law, Israel does NOT have a right to exist. That is the only law they need to recognize...they are a SOVEREIGN state. I know that concept is new the post-UN World governmentalists, but that is the reality. From that side of the fence, Israel is on stolen land.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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Your argument is bullshit.



No it is your comprehension that is the problem my hot headed foul mouthed friend.

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There have been Jews in the area for centuries.



This was not disputed. What was pointed out was that to be Jewish is not to belong to a certain race who have inhabited a piece of land throughout history. I could suddenly decide to be Jewish tommorow does that then mean I have a right to go to Israel and claim some land?

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The Jews that did migrate to the area bought most of the land they inhabit.



I have heard you mention this several times. Any chance of some sources/links?. A little tidbit which you will choose to ignore - many Palestinian villages were destroyed, not bought, to make way for the state of Israel.

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is legal, and has been for quite some time.



There is a big differnce between legality and morality.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
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Alright, so the Palestinians 'law' should supercede the rest of the worlds? That is retarded. The league of nations even said the Jews deserved a homeland in Palestine. They bought the freaking wasteland and made it into something. They BOUGHT it. The land was stolen from the Jews before that. This concept of Palestinian ancestoral ties to the land is simply false. Why don't the Jews deserve the land they bought? Why don't you bitch about Jordan being formed out of 4/5ths of what was Palestine? Why was it OK for all of the Jews to be kicked out of Jordan? Palestine has never been a sovereign nation, so why should their 'laws' mean a damn thing to anyone? The Palestinians sure as hell are not an ethnic group. They are made up of Egyptians, Syrians, and every other Arab culture you can come up with. Arafat is a fucking Egyptian!

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: GazzBut]
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There is a big differnce between legality and morality.


LOL, its suprises me you said that considering the whole "illegal war" thing.....


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: st0nedphucker]
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Why would it surprise you or are you being ironic?  :smirk: 


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: GazzBut]
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GazzBut said:
No it is your comprehension that is the problem my hot headed foul mouthed friend.


Did I offend you with my language? Oh well. The argument is bullshit because it does not matter. Israel has repeatedly been given the right to exist. It is legal, just as legal as Jordan is. Should we disolve Jordan as well?

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This was not disputed. What was pointed out was that to be Jewish is not to belong to a certain race who have inhabited a piece of land throughout history. I could suddenly decide to be Jewish tommorow does that then mean I have a right to go to Israel and claim some land?


No, but you could go there and BUY some land if you wanted to most likely.

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I have heard you mention this several times. Any chance of some sources/links?. A little tidbit which you will choose to ignore - many Palestinian villages were destroyed, not bought, to make way for the state of Israel.


Do a Google search. The information is out there. This is common knowledge really. They bought most of it from rich absentee landowners in Lebanon. I know about the villages. Jews were forced to leave areas they inhabited as well.

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There is a big differnce between legality and morality.


Try again. The Jews bought much of their land often at overly high prices. It was fucking wasteland and was largely uninhabited. This included vast areas of uninhabitable swampland that was drained by the Jews, and turned into agricultural land. If you want to talk morality I can do that too. Arafat's uncles plan to destroy all the Jews with Hitler's help was very moral I suppose. His prevention of European Jews migrations so they could be destroyed was real moral as well.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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Shak, I grow weary of your ramblings....

The league of nations, like the united nations, was not a decision making body. They had no power. Basically, they were, and the UN is...a gang....a group of nations where the strong exert their will and the weak try to talk them out of it. The UN will ultimately become a globally dominating force, but not because it should be...simply because the gang will get stronger...Your argument can be summed up as follows:

1. A bunch of people decided these people needed a homeland.
2. A bunch of people decided it should be in palestine.
3. Palestine didn't like the terms, so they are savages.


This argument is valid from where you sit, but if the UN gave the western half of this country back to the native americans, you would be against that...we took their land only a few hundred years ago. Even in your argument, you state that the palistinians took this land from the jews a thousand years ago...even if that were true, then the native americans would have at least as much right to this land as the "jews" have to that land.



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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
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Shak, I grow weary of your ramblings....




And you have only been here for 43 posts!! :grin: 


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
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Two different worlds my friend. The Jews occupied the land before the word Palestine existed. They did not steal the land. The bought it. The Palestinians also chose the wrong side in both world wars. When you fight on the wrong side and lose shit happens. Again, what about Jordan? They are occupying 4/5ths of Palestine. You are not answering any of these questions.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: GazzBut]
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GazzBut said:
And you have only been here for 43 posts!! :grin: 


It is easy to ignore the facts when they don't support your argument. We are all guilty of this from time to time, but you all continually do it on the Israel issue.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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Jordan is not the issue...we are not talking about Jordan...Jordan is another issue, and actually tied in with a lot of the middle east. I am not going to start with that, but I will say that I like their almonds a lot!

You are still wrong...it doesnt matter if the land was bought or stolen...it was still taken from the palestinians...You claim it was purchased from absentee landowners...well..so what? If I had 10000 acres and I sold it to japan, would that make that land part of Japan? What kind of argument is that?


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
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I fail to see where this going....


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: st0nedphucker]
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I won't hold it against you..


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: st0nedphucker]
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If the Arab landowners sold the Jews the land how was it stolen from the Arabs?

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
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BTW, (this has nothing to do with the subject) but did you actually call the 9/11 hi-jackers brave men?


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: st0nedphucker]
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Well, yes...I was making a point that they did what they did with a knowledge that it would mean certain death...That is bravery...It wasn't like I was saying they were wonderful people...they did have bravery going for them, though.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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If the Arab landowners sold the Jews the land how was it stolen from the Arabs?

You think the jews went round to each palestinian house and bought their land off them?  :wtf:


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