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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: lysergic]
    #1918167 - 09/15/03 12:58 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

You are so uninformed. The jews of israel are not related to the biblical jews by blood...in fact, those jews are actually what you call "sand beasts". Being jewish is being a follower of a religion.

Also, by your same logic, we have no right to be here because we took the land from countless indigenous people. Pick which side of the arguement you want to be on, gather facts, and then spew them.



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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
    #1918186 - 09/15/03 01:04 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

How about you do the same.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Xlea321]
    #1918188 - 09/15/03 01:04 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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Not really shak, no. I don't think there's much to say to that.




Yeah, you are right. You are wrong once again, but instead of arguing your case, you choose to ignore the truth.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
    #1918197 - 09/15/03 01:07 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

If you say so shak.

Or it could just be that i've realised you know so little about the situation it's pointless responding.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Xlea321]
    #1918199 - 09/15/03 01:08 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

So which part of my post is not true?

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
    #1918203 - 09/15/03 01:10 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Well, Shak, I wasn't really talking to you, but in response, I have done much research. Unfortunately, it appears that all of your knowledge comes from western history books, so it is hard to find a middle ground.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
    #1918210 - 09/15/03 01:13 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Western history books? What have I said that you disagree with?

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    #1918256 - 09/15/03 01:30 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
    #1918281 - 09/15/03 01:36 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, OK. I could say the same, that there is no connection between the Arabs there today, and the ones that supposedly lived there for generations. There have always been Jews in the area. Jeresulam for example has had a Jewish majority for centuries.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
    #1918290 - 09/15/03 01:39 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

To say a nation has a jewish majority is tantamount to saying that this nation has a christian majority. Does that mean that christians are somehow more american?


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
    #1918310 - 09/15/03 01:43 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

My point is that your argument about the Jews not being related to the Jews that previously occupied the region is bullshit. They have been there for thousands of years. I disagree with your assertion that the Jewish people are not a distinct ethnic group. I think they are. At any rate, are Syrians a distinct ehtnic group compared to Jordanians? No, they are not, but they still have seperate countries.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
    #1918342 - 09/15/03 01:51 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

It is nearly the unanimous conclusion of all anthropologists that wherever jews are found, they closely resemble the people amongst whome they live. Even those of common family names supposedly traceable to the ancient hebrew tribes, such as levites (levi) and kohanim (kohn, coehn, cohn) have little physical resemblence to one another. There is not one racial characteristic common to all who profess to be jews.

The reason the country was made in the first place was because this "race" of people didnt have a homeland...that is and has always been false. They are not a race...they are a religion...


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
    #1918423 - 09/15/03 02:11 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Whatever. The fact remains that the world thought they deserved a homeland and made it legal. I have seen quite a few Jews that resemble each other. Anything that is determined by the leftist education community that deals with the Jews is highly suspect to me to begin with. The universities of this country continue to villify the Jews relentlessly.

They have their own unique culture, just like many other non-distinct cultures around the world. Whether they are genetically alike makes no difference. How about answering the information I posted for Alex that he continues to ignore?

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
    #1918820 - 09/15/03 04:39 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Judaism is a religion. The original pracitioners of this religion were of a tribe called "Semites", which is where the word anti-semetism comes from. Many of todays "jews" are decendants of these Semites, so they are a pat of a racial taxonomy. The Jews have been in Israel since before written history, and Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in their holy books.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: lysergic]
    #1919009 - 09/15/03 05:35 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Most of todays jews are not descendants of the semites, and in truth, it was never a tribe called semites. The term semite refers to having its root in the original land of sumer. So, most of the descendants of the semites are actually arabs.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Enlil]
    #1920370 - 09/16/03 01:15 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah,it's pretty much agreed by anthropologists that Judaism is a religion,not a race or creed. In fact a lot of scholars believed Jesus was probably dark skinned-basically "arab".

Saying Judaism is a race or culture and not just a religion is the same thing is saying that Christianity is all the same.For example,the Baptists and the some of the eastern block dominations are hardly alike at all.Some of these eastern block Christians actually worship Satan in a way because they see God and Satan as two different parts of the same being.Contrast that with the majority of the North American donominations.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
    #1920577 - 09/16/03 03:00 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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My point is that your argument about the Jews not being related to the Jews that previously occupied the region is bullshit.




No its quite true. Many of the Jews in Israel are of European extraction not Arab. Why is this simple fact so hard for you to accept?


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: GazzBut]
    #1920664 - 09/16/03 03:58 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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Also, by your same logic, we have no right to be here because we took the land from countless indigenous people. Pick which side of the arguement you want to be on, gather facts, and then spew them.




You dont, its just there are no true natives left, they have been intergrated/subjugated, which ever term you prefer.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: GazzBut]
    #1920840 - 09/16/03 07:46 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I got no problem with saying many of them are not related to the original Jews because they came from Europe. He was trying to make it sound like none of them were, which is total bullshit.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
    #1920889 - 09/16/03 08:18 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

So just because their chosen religion is Judaism does that mean they have the right to treat the Palestinians like they have for the past 50 years?


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