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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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Eh? What exactly had Israel come through with by 1999? Absolutely bugger-all. It sure as hell wasn't the Palestinians fault.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: GazzBut]
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GazzBut said:
Do you really think Sharon is seeking peace?!!


Yes. But if you have anything that shows otherwise, please share it. As far as I can see, Israel is really fed up with having innocent citizens killed in bus/suicide bombings, and is doing what it thinks is right to stop it.

What can they do to stop Palestinians from killing innocents in their country?

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: ]
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This ought to get some flames, but I agree with Limbaugh on this one. I usually disagree with most things he says. He believes that there will have to be a winner and a loser for peace to happen. That means one of them is going to have to beat the crap out of the other.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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No surprise from Limbaugh there. Now I know where you get your ideas shak...


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Xlea321]
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I usually disagree with most things he says


you must have missed that part.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: ]
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What about Shatilla and Sabra? That was uncalled for, unfair and definately not in the interests of peace.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: ]
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usually disagree with most things he says

Disagreed with anything lately?


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: PsiloKitten]
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I agree. Neither side has been perfect through the years. The fact that Israelis took to the streets in protest after those events shows the difference between the two sides. The Palestinians would have been partying it up had the opposite happened. Israel was responsible for those horrible acts, because they allowed them happen.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Xlea321]
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Dunno. Never listen to him really. I think he is pretty much an ass, but his opinion on this issue does make sense.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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The moral of the story is if you steal land off people and confine them both physicaly and economacly at the same time totaly destroying there infostucture then people are going to be pissed off.. You guy's seem to forget that land was stolen and many people killed in the west bank by Israeli's who also refuse to let any of the people they displaced back.. These people can't work and don't even have a future.. Compare that to the average life style of an Israeli it makes me sick.. Sure there's Israeli's getting killed but that doesn't give them the right to surpress a miniority and decide what politicians they vote for.. They are literally living concentration camps are being killed off one by one.. Maybe you guy's should ask some one from Israel and find out for your self.. My friend adam just finnished his 2 years military service and very much disagree's with the hardline israeli's stance and he's actually seen 10 year old kids shot dead in the street by Israeli soldiers for throwing rocks.. Now thats just cold..

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Bhairabas]
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Sure there's Israeli's getting killed but that doesn't give them the right to surpress a miniority and decide what politicians they vote for..



Actually it does. If the Mexicans started revolting in America and formed terrorist groups that wanted us all dead, you can bet your ass we would not stand for it.

Opinions vary man. I disagree with you completely. The Arabs have been attacking the Jews for 60 years, and the Jews got tired of it. The Palestinians have been offered a dual state situation time and time again, even before Israel officially existed, and they have continuously rejected it. Arafat brought the hardliners on himself and his people.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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You can bet your ass we wouldn't stand for the Mexicans being mandated all the land that we got from them in the 1840's either.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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The Arabs have been attacking the Jews for 60 years, and the Jews got tired of it. The Palestinians have been offered a dual state situation time and time again, even before Israel officially existed, and they have continuously rejected it.

If this had a word of truth anywhere in it you might have a point. Where do you get this baloney from? Israel have yet to even recognise Palestines right to exist.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Xlea321]
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Palestine, honestly, doesn't have a historical right to exist. The land was the Jews since the beginning of recorded time. Palestine never was a nation, nor, in my opinion, should it be. I'd say that, under the Clinton regime, the best offer possible was made to Terr-a-fat, but he wanted no part of it. If you look at the map of "palestine" that terrafats' group has, the western border is the Mediterranean sea, now WHO is it that doesn't want the others to exist?

The peace talks conducted at Camp David with Clinton, Sharon and terrafat would have made every singel concession that the sand beasts were asking for, except leaving Jerusalem in control of the Jews. Since their are only three cities mentioned in the Koran (Mecca, Medina and the other one) as "holy" Islam cities, and all of these are in sand beast control, you'd think that they'd let the Jews have their holiest city. But no, not the terroristic Islams. Cooperate? Meet in the middle? Not when we can blow up women and children!


As for the initial topic, I think that not many peaceloving people would be crying in the streets if terrafat were to meet his demise.


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PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: lysergic]
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Exactly.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: lysergic]
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How the hell can you say in any objective sense that Israel has the right to exist but Palestine doesn't?

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Meet in the middle? Not when we can blow up women and children!



Yes,we all know that Israeli soldiers have never killed any women and children. Damn, I guess those times that Israeli soldiers shot children for throwing rocks at them were imagined.


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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Bhairabas]
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Bhairabas said:
The moral of the story is if you steal land off people and confine them both physicaly and economacly at the same time totaly destroying there infostucture then people are going to be pissed off.. You guy's seem to forget that land was stolen and many people killed in the west bank by Israeli's who also refuse to let any of the people they displaced back.. These people can't work and don't even have a future.. Compare that to the average life style of an Israeli it makes me sick.. Sure there's Israeli's getting killed but that doesn't give them the right to surpress a miniority and decide what politicians they vote for.. They are literally living concentration camps are being killed off one by one.. Maybe you guy's should ask some one from Israel and find out for your self.. My friend adam just finnished his 2 years military service and very much disagree's with the hardline israeli's stance and he's actually seen 10 year old kids shot dead in the street by Israeli soldiers for throwing rocks.. Now thats just cold..



Wow, I'll just go through this sentance by sentance. First, the land wasn't "stolen" from the sand beasts, it was given to the Jews after WWII by Britan to give them a place to live. Also, it had been jewish land since before the sand beasts had lived there. Palestine has never, and should never, be a nation. The word came when Roman conquerors name the jews after the philistines (the jews ancient enemy) as they wre subjegated. No group of people are "palestinean", other than they want to be. As for your comment that these displaced peopel can't work, thats bullshit. Israel does everthing in her power to allow arabs to come into and work there. Obviously, looking at the two "nations", Israel is one working on maintaing a peaceful society where peopel can advance, and sand beasts are interested in making the entire middle east into an Arab theocratic dictatorship. 10 year old kids shot in the street ? It seems to me that this might make bigger headlines.

how could you possibly look at an issue where one side is proactively trying to find a solution, and the other side is murdering women and children in busses and marketplaces, and think that the Israelies are in the wrong? Because you are a fool.


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PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: Xlea321]
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Alex123 said:
The Arabs have been attacking the Jews for 60 years, and the Jews got tired of it. The Palestinians have been offered a dual state situation time and time again, even before Israel officially existed, and they have continuously rejected it.

If this had a word of truth anywhere in it you might have a point. Where do you get this baloney from? Israel have yet to even recognise Palestines right to exist.


Ah yes. This shows your lack of knowledge on the topic. The Arabs that were lead by Arafat's
uncle prior to WW2, were offered a large portion of what was left from the original Palestine after Transjordan was formed out of 4/5ths of it. The remaining fifth was to be split up between the Arabs and the Jews. The English offered the Arabs more than their fare share, including the biggest chunks of land. The multitudes of Jews were either kicked out of Transjordan or they could stay if they wanted to live as second class noncitizens. It was similar to the situation the Jews were forced into in Germany before they got shipped off to the ghettos and camps. The reason the English made this offer was they thought the Arabs were to irrational to deal with fairly so they offered them a totally unfair deal to pacify them. The land for the Arabs included large areas of Jew owned land, that the Jews would have been reguired to give up. The offer was rejected. We all know of the multiple times that Arafat has ultimately rejected a two state solution.

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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Hello Alex? Any response to my balogna?

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Re: Israeli Cabinet votes to Expel Arafat in Theory [Re: shakta]
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Not really shak, no. I don't think there's much to say to that.


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