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Mixed martial arts?
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So a friend of mine who use to be really into mma came to visit from CO where he is stationed as a Cav scout. Always saw this kid doing a job like his, jumps out of planes and gets paid to do so.

Anyways back in hs he taught me very basic grappling and striking with knees and elbows. So he comes into town and we get rowdy one night and just wrestle around for shits and gigs. He could not pin me. I was laughing saying shit like "get off me fag" "quit trying to grab my balls man".

Long story short he wants me to get into it. I have mixed feelings. He says for literally zero professional training I'm good and should look into classes.

Who here practices any martial art? What do you like most about it, any cons besides cauli ears?

Would love to get some feedback from those who participate.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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I've been studying the grappling for just over one year.  A lot of blown out knees and busted shoulders.  Other injuries, too. 
Almost all martial arts are known for causing injury.  I learned the hard way a lot and I no longer have my health.
MMA has so many rules it is totally unrealistic as far as fighting goes.  There are a lot of rules favoring the grappler.  I don't want to go into detail but the MMA fighters do shit that would get them killed on the street.
Learn what it's like to get hit in the head.  The body, too.  That's all I learned from contact, which is always some type of kickboxing because of the danger and the rules.
I'm into the grappling and I continue to study it.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: sunshine]
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Ive had multiple concussions from football. Im alright at getting hit in the head. I know muy thai isn't the safest but it fascinates me


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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Everyone wants to see a kung fu movie in the cage.  Someone would die in every match.
That's good that you know what it's like.  A lot of people have never been hit in the head.
Muay Thai is in my opinion the most realistic of all the contact fighting.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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Its definitely enjoyable to learn mma or any art really.
The toughest thing in mma  for me was conditioning my bones to absorb kicks.  When you watch those guys kick each other and they check one another's kicks with their shins.....That hurts like hell..

Once you get past that the craft is a joy ime.

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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: cez]
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My father was talking to me today about doing father son jui jitsu classes at the gracie gym out here.

Whenever I've gotten into scraps when I was growing up it kinda came natural to use my elbows. I really want to give muy thai a shot now. I just find it insane you have to look for 8 different things your opponent can strike with compared to 4 or 2


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mixed martial arts is good. I've studied in order.. Tae Kwon Do, Jeet Kune Do, Gong fu/trapping hands, Jiu Jitsu, Tai-Chi chuan, Chin Na, and some Krav Maga. Every art has something different to offer.. I like Bruce Lee's philosophies, never limit yourself and use only what is most efficient.. be like water. I have not trained seriously for a couple years so I am a bit out of it though, but it never really leaves you and it's also a lifestyle/philosophy.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Shroomism]
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There are a lot of cool grappling arts to study.  Unfortunately, most of are only on youtube a bit.  There's Indian wrestling, Mongolian wrestling, Chinese wrestling, Greco-Roman wrestling, Sambo, tons of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and then Judo, and Japanese Jiu-Jitsu.  The Chinese wrestling and Judo are mostly takedowns, with Judo focusing on throws.  I'm constantly searching for other grappling arts.  I read Jiu-Jitsu Magazine and ordered some instructional video detailing the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu techniques.
There is also standing grappling, which is much more useful in most fights than ground grappling.  I learned a lot of useful restraining techniques from a guy who was a Military Policeman in Vietnam war.  He used to break up bar fights a lot, he told me.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: sunshine]
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I've been reading up on krav maga and it sounds interesting. I dig the whole "end it any way possible"


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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I wish I could help you.  Find something you like and stick with it.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said:
I've been reading up on krav maga and it sounds interesting. I dig the whole "end it any way possible"


Krav Maga is the bees knees. If you're looking for realistic methods of self defense, that is. It doesn't have anything to do with sportsmanship, as you probably already know. I took classes for a little over a year and it's really great, but brutal and devoid of bullshit. You have to be ready to get hit and hit hard because KM is all about preparing yourself to react efficiently in realistic situations whereas MMA is a sport and a great sport too! I love MMA and the UFC.

To me, it's either Krav Maga or Gracie Jiu Jitsu. These two will keep you alive when shit hits the fan. The only weakness of Jiu Jitsu is it focuses on one opponent and if you are facing multiple threats... you might be in deep shit. That's where KM is superior. Even basic KM training prepares you to face multiple opponents efficiently.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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This famous Chinese guy said, Master one style and you master 100 styles.
He goes on to say how all boxing styles are similar and he means deep mastery.  You have to have a mastery, meaning a total understanding of that art to be able to do what many people do, which is study a bunch of martial arts.
You can read about this kind of stuff in books and magazines.  I enjoy reading and have a large library in my training room.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: sunshine]
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Well my father does want to do the jui jitsu out here at the gracie gym.
I honestly can't see myself doing this as a sport. More for experience when people do try to start shit (idk why but at bars its always the little guy who wants to beat me ass?).

And yes i know km is far from sportsmanship. A friend of mine was talking about the first thing he learned is crotch shots are fine lol


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said:
Well my father does want to do the jui jitsu out here at the gracie gym.
I honestly can't see myself doing this as a sport. More for experience when people do try to start shit (idk why but at bars its always the little guy who wants to beat me ass?).

And yes i know km is far from sportsmanship. A friend of mine was talking about the first thing he learned is crotch shots are fine lol


:lol: Fine is not quite what you.re looking for... I'd say they're mandatory.

Keep in mind Krav Maga was developed out of necessity. So basically, everything that you cannot do in MMA: hits behind the head, hits to the crotch, poking the eyes etc, is what you're looking to achieve in Krav Maga because Krav Maga is not to be used inside the ring, it's to be used when you are attacked on the street, in a bar, or anywhere where your life is in danger.

When your life is in danger, you don't mess around, you take care of business. Personally, except for what I mentioned earlier regarding Jiu Jitsu as focusing on one opponent, I'd still prefer Jiu Jitsu over KM simply because it does not rely on stikes. Instead, you use your opponent's strength and velocity as leverage to get him under control without use of excessive violence. After learning Krav Maga for a while, I definitely think Jiu Jitsu is a '' wiser '' approach because using strikes against an aggressor can easily turn you into an aggressor yourself. Not to mention that if your aggressor is bigger and stronger than you, strikes might not have the desired effects, even to the crotch and other sensitive areas, if you do manage to strike those.

Being a smaller kind of guy, I plan on learning Jiu Jitsu in the future because I think it's approach is not only wiser but it's also a lot more efficient for someone my size ( 5'7 - 123 lbs )


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: solstice]
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Yeah ive heard about guys well versed in bjj choking guys out twice there size. That just makes me wonder how formidable i could be if i went with bjj.

And i can see why bjj is "wiser" i can see myself getting out of hand in a fight with km. I black out in fights and when i get angry. Not a good combo it sounds like.

Which one teaches better dicipline. Like keeping myself from going all out and only using nessasary force, guessing bjj


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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Yeah, BJJ all the way. Might be because of the japanese roots of Jiu Jitsu, but it sure is a lot more philosophically sound than Krav Maga which basically is an empty-handed way to wage war. It is Israel's mandatory military empty-handed combat system.

Let me tell you a story about Krav Maga. I'll keep it short since I have to get back to my reading.

My instructor was a young guy, about 22-23 years old. He's well versed in KM though. Ex-soldier, decided to go to Israel learn Krav Maga. He's a very physical guy, not the intellectual type. So I went to his classes for a couple of months and learned a great deal. Krav Maga is meant to be learnt by soldiers within 6 intensive months, so a civilian with casual schedule can become quite good at it within a year I'd say. I had a lot of fun and I was very enthusiastic about it. Small attendance, because not many people in my city know about it.

So after a while I had to stop because I was short on money and on time. Still I planned to go back eventually. I've met a girl during Krav Maga classes and we started going out together and she was still going while I was on hiatus. One evening, as she recalls, a guy who had been attending for a couple of weeks pissed off my instructor by acting goofy and asking stupid questions. Basically being an annoying douche. He was questioning whether a particular technique would really work in a real situation so my instructor told him to try it on him ( why not?! ) So the guy got behind him and tried something else with the intention of catching my instructor off guard. My instructor proceeded to flip him over on the floor ans started punching him straight in the face, bam, bam, bam. My girl and the other people were in shock, they finally calmed the instructor down and got the other guy to leave.

Later on, the hostilities resumed in the hall and the other guy still got knocked in the face by a kick and got thrown down some stairs. Bad, bad situation all around. In the end, my instructor lost a few students because of his lack of composure and these days his class is on '' hold '' indefinitely ''.

Krav Maga is totally efficient but, as such, it can easily become the wrong tool in the wrong hands. I'm not saying my ex-instructor shouldn't practice it,  I like him, he's usually a very cool dude, but, with a  military background, it is a method that comes attached with a very brutal and no-holds barred, no bullshit attitude that might attract violent types of people.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: solstice]
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Ok so sounds like bjj first then if im better diciplined km. i could honestly see me getting out of hand if i knew km. when i get mad i see red. And there are some very easy ways for people to antagonize/piss me off.

Ill go with calm dicipline first


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: solstice]
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Oh and that is not to say that Jiu Jitsu cannot cause damage or cannot be abused. An arm, a leg or any limb for that matter can be broken when the right ammount of pressure is used. A choke can also lead to some severe consequences.

All in all though, with the deep philosophical background behind it, I feel BJJ is a lot wiser and refined as an art of self-defense.

Check out some video from the Gracie Academy, especially Rener and Ryron Gracie.  These guys are awesome. The Gracie Breakdown ( on youtube ) is both of them breaking down UFC fights ending in submission. Worth a peek as they are quite entertaining to watch.


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Re: Mixed martial arts? [Re: Mescalean]
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Mescalean said:
Ok so sounds like bjj first then if im better diciplined km. i could honestly see me getting out of hand if i knew km. when i get mad i see red. And there are some very easy ways for people to antagonize/piss me off.

Ill go with calm dicipline first


Exactly dude. An anyway, learning one thing does not stop you from learning another in the future. :thumbup:


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