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Re: Higher Goals [Re: CleverName]
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CleverName said:
i honestly dont know....the numbers are getting worse, its the orphans that keep me motivated...the first time i saw 50 children on their deathbeds i wept....even if the number keep on rising i can still give my love, thats what people dying from an incurable disease need, love.



What you are doing is great, man. It takes a lot of unselfishness to be able to go out and help people like that, and I really admire that. I mean, I have what I work towards, putting the message out there and such, but it is really based on my own selfishness, me and my music...

Anyways, Five shrooms for you, mate! (well, I guess I already had you rated as 5 shrooms, hehe, so I just edited it and added my new comments.. I'd use the trade ratings, but I think that those are suspossed to be for the traders of spores... anyways, I guess that is I think that they are there for, I don't really know...)
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

Edited by fireworks_god (08/15/03 07:32 PM)

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Re: Higher Goals [Re: fireworks_god]
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thanks  :smile:, everyone here is great, i really love the shroomery


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Re: Higher Goals [Re: CleverName]
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Maybe the english should feel remorse for their Imperialism. Strip a country... divide it... Rape its lands... Go right into the jungle... and bring out from it the bounty of disease. I dont know... does anyone here think that British Imperialism could have a lot to do with what is going on now in africa? I mean despite the fact they would probably be just as poor and undeveloped? Look at india... another mark of the remains of the british empire.


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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Zero7a1]
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To be fair, it wasn't only the british, but also the french, germans, portugese, belgians, and dutch, who all had large colonies in Africa.

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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Rhizoid]
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Don't forget the Zulus who slaughtered and absorbed scores of tribes in the 1800's. Black on black imperialism is no different than white on black imperialism.


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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Swami]
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None of this has anything to do with how fucking dumb George Bush is... hehe
Peace.


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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Swami]
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I mean i knew that the french were in there... i didnt know too much about the other ones. Maybe its just the fact that the english were so big... and no sun ever sat on their soil  :smirk: . But yeah... do you think imperialism for that matter, ravaged that country? It seems as if Africa has always had these brutal problems. I wasnt meaning that there was a bad difference of imperialism... im sorry if my words seemed partial, but i see how my lack of description, and no mention of another "party" involved, could have been construed. My apologies, and thanks for teaching me something everyone :wink: . But i mean all in all... i mean do you think its the waring, imperialism, that has brought Africa down... Sort of left it to ruins and decay?

Yeah George bush is a tool Fireworks_God, no doubt about that.  :lol:


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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Zero7a1]
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Africa was for the most part fine, living in their tribal societies, accumulated a lot of natural knowledge, just like the Native Americans, until we came in, shipped a lot of them off to do slave work, and then divided the continent between the English, French, Spanish, and Dutch..

Before that, they were entirely self-supporting, until we crippled that system, used them for what we wanted, and then pulled on out.. leaving them with the responsibility to live in OUR world. Of course, we really haven't helped them do that, and everything went down hill... we were like the locusts who killed all the crops and left the continent to the four horsemen. It isn't any wonder that the only really sucessful country is South Africa, and that it was largely under British influence until the end...

I mean, our society has been evolving for centuries, there's wasn't evolving, they were happy where they were, and then we profited off of them and gave them our standards, when they obviously don't have the knowledge base to live up to our standards.. we ruined the continent. Soon enough the whole thing will be a sparsely populated desert. Maybe Bush should use that money with money from the rest of the world to build up a STANDARD meeting education system.. as education is the only tool that can save them, and we haven't yet given it to them...

Bush is going to effectively waste the money, and do it all on his own, to win the approval of the rest of the world... too bad it will only reinforce the rest of the world's opinion of him as the cowboy who wants to do everything on his own, instead of cooperating with the rest of the world, which is what would improve his rating over here..

But then, I don't credit him with logic, so of course he doesn't get that..
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
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For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
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Re: Higher Goals [Re: fireworks_god]
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I know this is off-topic, but I think this needed some commentary:


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Africa was for the most part fine, living in their tribal societies, accumulated a lot of natural knowledge, just like the Native Americans, until we came in, shipped a lot of them off to do slave work, and then divided the continent between the English, French, Spanish, and Dutch..


Pre-colonial Africa was not just tribal societies, even if we restrict the discussion to Africa south of Sahara. There were city-states and empires both in the west (Ghana, Benin, Mali), and in the south (Great Zimbabwe).


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Before that, they were entirely self-supporting, until we crippled that system, used them for what we wanted, and then pulled on out.. leaving them with the responsibility to live in OUR world.


Ghana traded with the Arabs more than a thousand years ago, as did Benin and Mali later on. They were not entirely self-supporting, because they paid gold for salt, cloth, horses and weapons (source). And I don't understand what you mean by "OUR world"? We all live in the same world, but I presume that's not what you meant. Are you referring to the fact that McDonald's hamburgers and Coca-Cola is available in Africa or something like that?


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Of course, we really haven't helped them do that, and everything went down hill... we were like the locusts who killed all the crops and left the continent to the four horsemen.


But such things have happened before in Africa. The city-state called Great Zimbabwe was depopulated and abandoned long before european conquerors arrived, because the soil eroded due to too intense farming. Or as the same thing is called nowadays: raping of the earth because of greed.


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It isn't any wonder that the only really sucessful country is South Africa, and that it was largely under British influence until the end...


South Africa was free from british rule in 1910 when the Union of South Africa was formed. This was long before any other british colonies got their freedom. Perhaps that's why it took so long before the non-white majority got their political rights: apartheid was a boer invention, not a british one.


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I mean, our society has been evolving for centuries, there's wasn't evolving, they were happy where they were, and then we profited off of them and gave them our standards, when they obviously don't have the knowledge base to live up to our standards.. we ruined the continent.


I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that "we" are forcing these poor african noble savages to evolve, and that they would be happier if they could just stay unevolved? Or what are you getting at? Please elaborate.

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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Rhizoid]
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Guess I didn't know too terribly much on the subject, but I was expressing the impressions that were made on my mind... Thanks for enlightening me, you've cleared some things up.
Peace.


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Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
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:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Higher Goals [Re: fireworks_god]
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Africa was for the most part fine...

In the Biafra holocaust circa 1967, some 3,000,000 Ibos were slaughtered & deliberately starved by fellow Nigerians as they were the equivalent to African Jews; well educated, successful and hated for it. Eurpean influence had NOTHING to do with this genocide.


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The proof is in the pudding.

Edited by Swami (08/17/03 09:36 AM)

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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Africa was for the most part fine...

In the Biafra holocaust circa 1967, some 3,000,000 Ibos were slaughtered & deliberately starved by fellow Nigerians as they were the equivalent to African Jews; well educated, successful and hated for it. Eurpean influence had NOTHING to do with this genocide.


I was talking about before we started to get involved.. I am not too terribly informed on the subject, but I guess I thought I had been.. it seems to me that before we got involved, however, they had been quite happy in their existance, and really didn't want to become involved with us, just like the Native Americans...
Peace.


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Higher Goals [Re: fireworks_god]
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however, they had been quite happy in their existance, and really didn't want to become involved with us, just like the Native Americans...

Slavery and brutal tribal warfare existed in Africa long before the white man came.

The Native Americans were not peaceful beings. They also raided and killed other tribal members.

Men are men, no matter the race and color, and all that goes with it.


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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Swami]
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Yes, but that doesn't mean that they didn't want to leave their existance, necessarily. But, yeah, the world sucks, we're bad when not tuned into the higher consciousness, can't change the past, etc. etc.
Peace.


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Re: Higher Goals [Re: fireworks_god]
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I think the point is that when A does something bad to B, that means that A is being a bad guy, but it doesn't necessarily turn B into a good guy through some inverse guilt-by-association law...

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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Dogomush]
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Dogomush said:
Rastafari, you're the one finding negative things in swami's posts about your posts. Check this:

"I dont understand you people! [people in general]... your always wanting what you dont have, and because of that you suffer...why dont you want what you DO have! then you could be happy! its so simple!"

This is what you said in your post right? And you agree with it, correct? Well, why is it that you sit there whining and whining about how you want no suffering??? DUDE it's only making you suffer, which adds to the suffering of the planet! Do what swami says, want the compassion that's already here, don't be idealistic, acknowledge that suffering is an inherent part of the universe.


spiritual idealism is the most scarce resource around. we all know what a perfect body looks like, and the methods to work toward it (if that's what you want- I know I like looking good naked...) so why should your soul not work towards a more perfect state?
realism = lazy, we need visionaries to keep the evolution of the human condition moving forward.


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
however, they had been quite happy in their existance, and really didn't want to become involved with us, just like the Native Americans...

Slavery and brutal tribal warfare existed in Africa long before the white man came.

The Native Americans were not peaceful beings. They also raided and killed other tribal members.

Men are men, no matter the race and color, and all that goes with it.



that's a huge (chasm spanning even) leap of reductionism. men are not men, some men know more of the good life than others do, likewise some cultures know more about the good life than other cultures do.

I like clean air, clean water, and meaningful work. with those criteria, can't you see how an argument for native values makes sense?


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The ultimate meaning of our being can only be fulfilled in the paradoxical leap beyond the tragic-demonic frustration. It is a leap from our side, but it is the self-surrendering presence of the Ground of Being from the other side.
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Re: Higher Goals [Re: Malachi]
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Dogomush said:
Do what swami says, want the compassion that's already here, don't be idealistic, acknowledge that suffering is an inherent part of the universe.


Suffering is not an inherent part of the universe. We ourselves make suffering, and we can also get rid of it.

Eliminating addictions, working towards a state where suffering does not exist is not impossible, and the fact that it is idealistic doesn't make it a bad thing... it's a lot better than saying "Oh well, my life sucks, I experience suffering, nothing I can do about it".

Myself, I'm a little bit stronger than that..
Peace.


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Like being here
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