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Re: TED Censorship [Re: Vaipen]
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Vaipen said:
Basically you are saying that Hancock should fight alone. That he cannot relay his predicament to others because that would "incite" his 'followers'. He should, according to your argument, keep things quiet and is personally responsible for how his 'followers' choose to respond. The same argument is used by one of the TED people in the comments. That Hancock's  view on Ayahuasca might be resulting in  some kid flying off to the Amazon to drink Ayahuasca' and that Hacock would be irresponsible somehow.



Not at all, I'm saying that he should've been happy that his video is getting so much attention, even though it only resides on the TED blog and not the Youtube channel. Furthermore he should be thrilled that TED is giving two whole weeks of discussion and debate to the fact that his video was removed, that's more than anybody else has ever been given and certainly more than was due. Instead he is using sensationalism to rally up more of his followers against TED, as if his video deserved front page placement for all of time.

Vaipen said:
I am certain that the pope many hundreds of years ago would call it 'pseudo-science' when some obviously mistaken person said the Earth orbited the sun by looking at the phases of Venus.



No, he called it heresy and excommunicated the people who did real science. Graham Hancock has not made any notable advancements of any fields of science and the evidence he has to back up his theories is tenuous at best. This is not equivalent to Copernicus or Tesla being silenced, this is Graham "Gonna Make it up as I Go" Hancock.

Vaipen said:
The use of the word 'sensationalism' is preposterous in describing what is happening. People have the right to free speech and in this day and afe on the internet people WILL share if they are upset. I don't see any proof that Hancock is 'sensationalist' or using any strategy at all apart from honestly sharing that he is being attacked basically for his point of view, by people from this scientific advisory board, which seems to act as an unseen inquisition. If he would feel slandered, he has the right to show that.



You're partially correct, he has all the right in the world to say these things and express feelings of slander. He does not have the right to say them on TED's Youtube channel or their blog. He is acting as if it's an attack that TED is giving his video 2 whole weeks of discussion. It's not, it's a courtesy.

Vaipen said:
Mentioning Atlantis is totally absurd in this discussion. It is a sleazy tactic to drag Hancock in the dirt by associating him with something that has nothing to do with the speech he have on TEDx. It is, again, the same tactic used to justify the removal of his speech. And I do not see how Hancock can be held responsible for the format in which the discussion was poured and that TED's  website functionality is such that they throw both Hancock and Sheldrake in together.



It almost seems like you've read my earlier posts, but not quite. A chapter of TEDx, that operates independently of TED, organized the discussion topic that Sheldrake and Hancock took place in. Upon review TED decided to pull the videos from that topic, which included Sheldrake and Hancock.

Mentioning Atlantis is totally absurd in almost any discussion, yet Graham Hancock profited of it immensely and is primarily known for his views on the topic, among others. When you have a guy who is known for selling pseudoscience and mysticism in Barnes and Noble it's entirely relevant to deciding whether or not to place him next to scientists and entrepreneurs who actually publish real studies and peer reviewed articles.

Vaipen said:
They are doing ever fucking thing wrong and I don't think it is only just blatant incompetence but also a willful strategy to undermine and confuse the situation.



No, they've been extremely fair. They had no obligation morally, institutionally, scientifically or otherwise to keep these videos on their Youtube channel. They had no obligation to give anyone a reason for their removal, they had no obligation to host the videos on their blog. They absolutely no obligation to give 2 weeks of critical attention to a discussion about their removal, yet Hancock is acting as if it's a slap in the face. Sensationalism at it's finest.


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Re: TED Censorship [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
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RiderOnTheStorm said:
BlindSophist said:
I'm not a fan of either Hancock or Sheldrake, but completely disavowing yourself from unpopular ideas does not constitute "skepticism" in its virtuous form. That is what TED has done.



No it's not. Perhaps you should watch the videos and read the comments and discussions before making such statements. If they had "completely disavowed" themselves from it they would not be hosting it on their blog and giving more attention to these videos than they do to anybody elses.

BlindSophist said:
How has the ontological argument for the existence of God been "minimized" in its "probability"? :curbyourenthusiasm:



It's mainly the a posteriori arguments for god that have been minimized in probability, but the ontological argument for god is not without rational, logical criticism either. As Kant pointed out, the ontological argument relies on the assumption that existence is more perfect than nonexistence. This is not a given truth. When you use the logic of the ontological argument against itself it looks like this:

The creation of the world is the most marvelous achievement imaginable.

The merit of an achievement is the product of (a) its intrinsic quality, and (b) the ability of its creator.

The greater the disability (or handicap) of the creator, the more impressive the achievement.

The most formidable handicap for a creator would be non-existence.

Therefore if we suppose that the universe is the product of an existent creator we can conceive a greater being - namely, one who created everything while not existing.

An existing God therefore would not be a being greater than which a greater cannot be conceived because an even more formidable and incredible creator would be a God which did not exist. Ergo:
God does not exist.

The ontological argument is no more convincing of god's existence than the above is convincing of his nonexistence. Both are a futile effort of assumptive mental masturbation.



Hmm! Thanks for the interesting response, I'd never heard of this "rebuttal" of the ontological argument, though it does seem to have profound gnostic implications. :cool:


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Re: TED Censorship [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
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Hell yeah, gnosis is power. :highfive:

(I can't take credit for that rebuttal btw, the Austrailian philosopher Doug Gasking came up with it).


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Re: TED Censorship [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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excellent argument. i provide a similar argument.

God has no reason to exist... hence he can't exist, and still be the same God we often predict as the usual "all-seeing all-being creator and watcher of the universe".

it would be impossible.

but your argument is better.

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Re: TED Censorship [Re: akira_akuma]
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That is a lot of money for most people alright. I don't understand why it is so hard to keep it cheap. I am sure it has to do with renting a place etc.

They found a way to make money out of congregation. At least church is still free to enter. If I ever hit the speech circuit, I won't charge anything, I won't have to, because we would be sitting in the grass and drinking and eating  from our own picnick baskets. :grin:

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