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The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines * 2
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Just found this on NEJM,

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1205037?query=featured_home&


Apparently it's shown to be an effective supplemental treatment with Vancomycin for chronic Clostridium difficile infection.


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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:puke:


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: x7x_x7x]
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Can you plug it?

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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: Repertoire89]
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It has to go through the naso-gastric or naso-duodenal tube.  You're essentially pumping someone else's feces down into your own intestines.


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: Spacerific]
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think in the taste of belching


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: x7x_x7x]
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Best thing is you can reuse that same :glittershitz: for another john, and then another. Why be wasteful and stop with one single use?  :shitstorm:

But what I really want to know is who figured this out and how? Was it some uber scientist in a research lab? Some BDSM games that struck gold?

What was the Eureka moment when someone went
I'VE GOT IT! WE JUST NEED :holyshit:


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: Spacerific]
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I mean it makes sense from a scientific perspective if you look at the pathophysiology of clostridium difficile overgrowth.


By introducing a healthy culture of native interstinal flora, you're effectively attempting to restore the naturally occuring ecology.


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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LiquidSmoke said:
I mean it makes sense from a scientific perspective if you look at the pathophysiology of clostridium difficile overgrowth.


By introducing a healthy culture of native interstinal flora, you're effectively attempting to restore the naturally occuring ecology.


Ok, could be an ignorant question here, wouldn't Shank Prakshalana achieve some similar results without SODOMIZING YOURSELF WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S SHIT? Just curious.


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Well, getting past the ick-factor I can see how that would work.
I am just glad that I don't have C. difficile.  :projectile:


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: Aquila chrysaetos] * 2
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Aquila chrysaetos said:
Well, getting past the ick-factor I can see how that would work.
I am just glad that I don't have C. difficile.  :projectile:



Actually, you probably do. It only becomes a problem if antibiotics have killed off your other micro flora. Then the C. Diff will have no competitors and you will be shitting orange soon enough.

They have known about this procedure for quite some time. :shrug:


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: Spacerific]
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Spacerific said:
LiquidSmoke said:
I mean it makes sense from a scientific perspective if you look at the pathophysiology of clostridium difficile overgrowth.


By introducing a healthy culture of native interstinal flora, you're effectively attempting to restore the naturally occuring ecology.


Ok, could be an ignorant question here, wouldn't Shank Prakshalana achieve some similar results without SODOMIZING YOURSELF WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S SHIT? Just curious.



I have not researched this what so ever so BUT I highly doubt that. If Shank Prakshalana flushed out bacteria that easy, then it would be a horrible thing to do to your body. The hole idea of doing it with people's shit is because the shit has bacteria in it that the person needs. The fecal matter that they use is usually from somebody that lives with you because people that live in the same house usually have the same colon bacteria. Again, by using shit, your restoring the bacteria that was loss in the first place, most likely by broad-range antibiotics.


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Edited by EDM (01/20/13 10:00 PM)

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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: EDM]
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For Science! :cookiemonster:


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: EDM]
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EDM said:
Spacerific said:
LiquidSmoke said:
I mean it makes sense from a scientific perspective if you look at the pathophysiology of clostridium difficile overgrowth.


By introducing a healthy culture of native interstinal flora, you're effectively attempting to restore the naturally occuring ecology.


Ok, could be an ignorant question here, wouldn't Shank Prakshalana achieve some similar results without SODOMIZING YOURSELF WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S SHIT? Just curious.



I have not researched this what so ever so BUT I highly doubt that. If Shank Prakshalana flushed out bacteria that easy, then it would be a horrible thing to do to your body. The hole idea of doing it with people's shit is because the shit has bacteria in it that the person needs. The fecal matter that they use is usually from somebody that lives with you because people that live in the same house usually have the same colon bacteria. Again, by using shit, your restoring the bacteria that was loss in the first place, most likely by broad-range antibiotics.


I got how it's supposed to work, and what it's supposed to do. I am just wondering whether or not SP might be a more elegant solution toward the same end.

All I know is that SP flushes a bunch of salt water through your system, clearing it completely of food and fecal matter, then your next meal is soft rice with a lot of butter. I'm not too familiar with the exact bacteria living in one's digestive tract, but seems to me it might be a welcome reset and breathing space, to restore that balance naturally. Rather than shoving more bacteria into a tract filled with other bacteria, SP would flush everything out, and restart the whole process with a meal that's known empirically to promote a correct balance.

Really wondering what someone with more medical understanding makes of this procedure.


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: Spacerific]
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Spacerific said:
LiquidSmoke said:
I mean it makes sense from a scientific perspective if you look at the pathophysiology of clostridium difficile overgrowth.


By introducing a healthy culture of native interstinal flora, you're effectively attempting to restore the naturally occuring ecology.


Ok, could be an ignorant question here, wouldn't Shank Prakshalana achieve some similar results without SODOMIZING YOURSELF WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S SHIT? Just curious.




That idea or approach simply does not align with what's scientifically known about how your intestines work.


Your intestines aren't some kind of pipe faucet that benefits from a flushing of fluid.

Your intestines are a delicate field of cells which very carefully regulate electrolytes in an intricate balance with the fecal matter and bacterial content within its cavity. 

The normal bacteria on the intestinal surface is ESSENTIAL for basic biologic functions of life, such as metabolizing sugars, and aiding in the absorption of vitamins and minerals. 

Same with fecal matter.  It's not just random biological mass that needs to be flushed out in order to achieve better health.  Feces in of itself serves a valuable purpose in keeping balanced amounts of electrolytes, as well as other biochemical compounds, and regulation of your body's acid-base control.


The idea of just flushing out your intestines with a salt water solution is simply scientifically deficient, and quite frankly it's harmful.


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: Spacerific]
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... Your completely missing the point. The flush you are talking about does not reintroduce the bacteria. It is just a flush.

Bad cases of C Diff are most often in older people. When they have a bad case of C Diff, they are usually in the hospital. Say you were to flush out all the C Diff, you would be vulnerable to more C. Diff. Why? Well it just so happens that like MRSA, C. Diff is an HAI(healthcare-associated infections). It means it has a high resistance to bacteria preventative measures/antibiotics. Basically, it can be all over the hospital(doors,floors,nurses not washing their hands properly, and needles/iv equipment) and you will simply catch it again.


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All I know is that SP flushes a bunch of salt water through your system, clearing it completely of food and fecal matter,


That is simply not good enough. Do you know that bacteria have ways of adhering to surfaces? You don't honestly think that they just wipe off do you? A good example of this is washing hands. You cannot count on putting rubbing alcohol, H2O, or even triclosan to actually kill all the bacteria. The best way of washing your hands is by scrubbing with soap to remove the bacteria.

Even if the flushing method you speak of does work, the fecal method would work better in theory. Antibiotics can help mild cases of C. Diff. Mild cases are not a topic to worry about unless they are in a hospital. It is the extreme cases which seem to be the majority of cases that keep people in hospitals or kill them.


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: EDM]
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Read your post. I cannot even believe I was trying to acknowledge his claim of "salt water flush" to be true for argument's sake. haha.

It does not take a genius to answer his question. Its almost like saying, "hey, I need a doctor here to explain to me the proper way of CPR or how the heart works". :shrug:


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: EDM]
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The idea of just flushing out your intestines with a salt water solution is simply scientifically deficient, and quite frankly it's harmful.


Could you expand on that a bit?

To clarify, it's not designed to cure C.Diff, nor replace antibiotics. I was just wondering if it might have any effect in that department. Apparently that's not the case, so moving on. It's not my idea, it's an Ayurveda/Yoga technique with some thousands of years of use, and having tested it for myself a few times, I can say it's worth the trouble, maybe once a year or so.

What do you think the risks be, what's the harmful part about it? Again it goes like - drink salt water, make set of moves that pushes it all the way through, repeat with regular water to complete the flush and clear the salt, then eat meal of soft white rice with a lot of butter. I don't know the whole theory behind it, nor what bacteria butter promotes, but these are the instructions.


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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LiquidSmoke said:
It has to go through the naso-gastric or naso-duodenal tube.  You're essentially pumping someone else's feces down into your own intestines.


If you want to look up the study in the lancet, a hospital in Edinburgh has been using faecal matter transfer, or faecal enemas, and have found no difference in using a feeding tube or enema syringe. I'd rather have it up my butt, thanks very much. Given those two choices.

I imagine this is used for those who don't have an appendix. If you got one, and say, all the bacteria in your gut is gone, because you've been fasting/purging/enemas, then the appendix sphincter will open up and squirt out some bacteria to recolonise the gut before c.difficile can gain its insidious foothold.


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Re: The health benefits of donor feces infused into your own intestines [Re: Spacerific]
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Spacerific said:
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The idea of just flushing out your intestines with a salt water solution is simply scientifically deficient, and quite frankly it's harmful.


Could you expand on that a bit?

To clarify, it's not designed to cure C.Diff, nor replace antibiotics. I was just wondering if it might have any effect in that department. Apparently that's not the case, so moving on. It's not my idea, it's an Ayurveda/Yoga technique with some thousands of years of use, and having tested it for myself a few times, I can say it's worth the trouble, maybe once a year or so.

What do you think the risks be, what's the harmful part about it? Again it goes like - drink salt water, make set of moves that pushes it all the way through, repeat with regular water to complete the flush and clear the salt, then eat meal of soft white rice with a lot of butter. I don't know the whole theory behind it, nor what bacteria butter promotes, but these are the instructions.




It has to do with the electrolyte balances regulated by the intestines.  As I mentioned before, the cell lining in your intestines, and the fecal matter inside of it are in a delicate balance of electrolye homeostasis, and also regulates the acid-base balance in your blood.

There's very narrow ranges of concentrations of bicarbonate, sodium, potassium, calcium, and chloride that your feces is in accordance with to allow these mechanisms to work.

Flushing salt water into the system rectally just disrupts everything.  You have to understand how crude and unscientific of an approach this is.


It might sound more scientific to you because they try to explain it working using scientific terms, but in actuality it's way off in explaining or compensating to the specific mechanisms that are actually known about the intestines.

It's a term called "pseudoscience", and it's widely used by proponants of fraudulent, quackery treatments.


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