Soulidarity said:

but mahrishi, i'm interested to see hwo you would respond to the following hypothesis:

lets say for arguements sake, that one never intended to have a child. they were never intending to bring a child into this world, and so on this basis, the child was never going to be born anyway. does this make any difference to your views on abortion?
I would suggest said individuals be sterilized, abstain, or use redundant birthcontrol methods, all of which are healthier physically as well as psychologically on a human

what about the harvesting of stemcells and embryo's from fertile females? yes these represent a possible human, but when they were never intended to be conceived, there is no loss.
I do not agree with such research, but do not argue against it as I consider myself a scientist.  It is your body, do with it as you see fit, these are my opinions.  I do not feel there should be in place, ANY law that prevents personal liberty as long as noone else is harmed in your actions.  I can not know if that "possible human" feels, or is experiencing life, or at what point this occurs.  So I PERSONALLY choose to er on the side of compassion.  Also advise others to do the same, I do not wish to push my beliefs on others, only offer what I know from experience and my philosophy.  It is touchy, indeed, at best.  I just know for a fact I have had this discussion irl with two separate near and dear female friends.  They both chose adoption, both children were taken home from the hospital to upper middle class families who had gone through extensive background checks and parenting classes.  Also both are open adoptions meaning if they choose they may communicate with the child at a later date and both routinely communicate with adoptive parents and receive pictures if requested.  Life is precious


interested to hear what you think about this.

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11nova said:

First of all, tell your girl that it's ultimately up to her and you will stand by and support her all the way through. But also tell your girl the truth about how you feel and see what she has to say. Good luck man.

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As previously mentioned I simply interjected my humble opinion, I wish for everyone to think freely and treat their bodies as they choose.
I have not been kind to my body, and that is my choice, I own it.
Conversation and communication is indeed the key here.
I wish you BOTH all the best
Blessings.

BooBooKittyFuck said:

Anthony said:

By the sounds of our talks she doesnt want to keep it. We cant afford a baby..but I feel like every reason we cone up with to justify an abortion just doesnt outweigh the value of life. Im very conflicted....this blows

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How about you BOTH read this:
A worried woman went to her gynecologist and said:

'Doctor, I have a serious problem and desperately need your help! My baby is not even 1 year old and I'm pregnant again. I don't want kids so close together.'

So the doctor said: 'Ok and what do you want me to do?'

She said: 'I want you to end my pregnancy, and I'm counting on your help with this.'

The doctor thought for a little, and after some silence he said to the lady: 'I think I have a better solution for your problem. It's less dangerous for you too.'

She smiled, thinking that the doctor was going to accept her request.

Then he continued: 'You see, in order for you not to have to take care of 2 babies at the same time, let's kill the one in your arms. This way, you could rest some before the other one is born. If we're going to kill one of them, it doesn't matter which one it is. There would be no risk for your body if you chose the one in your arms.'

The lady was horrified and said: 'No doctor! How terrible! It's a crime to kill a child!'

'I agree', the doctor replied. 'But you seemed to be OK with it, so I thought maybe that was the best solution.'

The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point.

He convinced the mom that there is no difference in killing a child that's already been born and one that's still in the womb. The crime is the same!

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That was one of the most illogical arguments I've ever read. 

BooBooKittyFuck said:

I see what your saying but I do not agree. If people do not want a child but have a slip up, as these things do happen then they should carry the morning after pill for such a thing. Then they won't have to worry and won't have to kill an unborn child. And no, I think abortion of any kind at any time during a pregnancy is wrong. But that's just me. I do believe in a woman's right to choose and have friends who have had an abortion and they still regret it to this day. It tore one of em up pretty bad. But I know she thought she was doing the right thing because they didn't have the means to be having nor taking care of a child at the time.
I think they should keep the baby, it's an especially hard subject for someone like me who has been trying for 2 yrs to have another child but am not able to. It pisses me off to see others who are perfectly healthy and able, get pregnant and just throw the baby away like trash. That IS what they do ya know....

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Maharishi_2_U said:

Rhetoric?
OMG
What is wrong with people?
Do any of you realize how many well suited parents are on lists to receive and love a new baby?
Orphans are from the 1800s.  OMG we wonder why our country is in the position it is. 
I am glad I'll be dead and gone before "the millennium kids" come to power.
Instant gratification and no responsibility for actions.
No respect for life experience.  No respect for life in general.
Point and case, I am moving, I need a job when I get there and a close friend owns a few fast food franchises.  His 19 year old daughter REFUSES to "flip burgers".
I told him to sign me up I'll start the day I get there.  That's the difference 20 years makes I guess.
In another thread dude is asking for help growing a plant I have 15+ years growing and breeding, have a college degree in horticulture and CEA.  Yet this young man argues me even after asking for help.  I pity the future of our country :-(

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BooBooKittyFuck said:

So your saying an unborn baby would not feel pain? Does not have a heartbeat or brain functions? They also respond when things are placed on the stomach or to hearing the mothers voice all while still in the womb. They just have not been born yet. killing a child is killing a child no matter what.

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BooBooKittyFuck said:

I just hope you guy think about it good and hard before making any major life choice like that.
I also don't think the final say should be the woman's only, my brother in law's ex wife had an abortion without telling him until after she had done it. He would have chosen to keep it.

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But yea if your just having the normal worry's doubts and concerns about becoming a parent and trying to raise a little one those will disappear once you look at your son/daughter for the first time. Believe me I know from exp. My husband and I were actually trying, we waited 6 yrs to try, and when we found out we finally were preggo we were happy but scared and having second thoughts also. I think it happens to everyone unexpected pregancy or planned. Good Luck though, and I hope you both come to a mutual decision that is what you both want

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Maharishi_2_U said:

Rhetoric?
OMG
What is wrong with people?
Do any of you realize how many well suited parents are on lists to receive and love a new baby?
Orphans are from the 1800s.  OMG we wonder why our country is in the position it is. 
I am glad I'll be dead and gone before "the millennium kids" come to power.
Instant gratification and no responsibility for actions.
No respect for life experience.  No respect for life in general.
Point and case, I am moving, I need a job when I get there and a close friend owns a few fast food franchises.  His 19 year old daughter REFUSES to "flip burgers".
I told him to sign me up I'll start the day I get there.  That's the difference 20 years makes I guess.
In another thread dude is asking for help growing a plant I have 15+ years growing and breeding, have a college degree in horticulture and CEA.  Yet this young man argues me even after asking for help.  I pity the future of our country :-(

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trekie said:

Cause its the right decision.  Abort

Fuck what some white trash lady in her trailer says she has lots of kids for that government check 


Abort that shit!

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BooBooKittyFuck said:

Well I don't see any reason anyone who is willing to have sex knowing what the outcome could always be, no matter the type of birth conrtol used, then they shouldbe able to man the fuck up and take care of their child. That  child didn't ask for it's parents to be so damn immature about things, if your old enough to fuck then you should be mature enough to do the right thing. If not, then you should not be having sex.

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usudor said:

the real question is why didn't you wrap it up man?

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Way past this, don't even try.