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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
One of the richest men in the world travels with an armed escort


whaaaaaa this cant be


Which I have no problem with.  He wants to remove my right to travel the same way.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
Prisoner#1 said:
so you contend that anyone seeing a psychiatrist would be disqualified


you just claimed you didnt say that shit


Did you even read what I just posted? I'll copy it again for you below... I said that saying someone believes they are mentally unstable (one of the major reasons anyone sees a psychiatrist) does not automatically mean they should be disqualified from owning a gun.

They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way.  =/= anyone who is seeing a psychiatrist should not be allowed to purchase a gun. :rolleyes:


Let me clarify further: having a mental instability does not mean you are likely to become a murderer. Anxiety is a mental instability, as is depression and neither of those things alone makes you any more likely to become a murderer and should thus not be the sole reason someone isn't allowed to have a gun.



you keep flip flopping... are you Mitt Romney?


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
The inability of the mental health field to do anything at all puts it to shame.  They are almost completely useless.  We would be better off with a panel of random citizens deciding who should be put in the bin.


You clearly know nothing about the mental health field.


I have a degree in it, sweetheart.  You do not.
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They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way.  =/= anyone who is seeing a psychiatrist should not be allowed to purchase a gun. :rolleyes:


Did you go on to make the point that unstable people should not own guns?

You are going to spin so fucking hard that you will pass through the molten core of the earth and appear in some village near the South China Sea.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
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nooneman said:
What's really sad is that so many of you are willing to demand that the government take away your freedoms, that the government take away your rights and come into your home and tell you what to do. You're demanding that the government take your rights away, and you're not even doing it for your own safety, or for any kind of logical reason.

One shooting happens and suddenly you demand that the government take your rights away for no reason. Never mind the hundreds of stabbings that happen every year, or the millions of gun owners who don't commit crimes, or the gun owners who save peoples lives and stop criminals by using their firearms responsibly. One shooting and you ignore all the evidence to the contrary, and demand that the government take away your rights.

It's people like you that supported alcohol and drug prohibition. Gullible people who believe whatever the television news tells them to.


If you had actually read any of my posts you'd know I don't want any freedoms taken away, I just want safety precautions.

gun control/regulation does not mean banning all guns
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Prisoner#1 said:
your words were pretty damned clear


You don't have to keep quoting me. I never once said, in all the posts you're quoting, that seeing a psychiatrist is reason alone to be disqualified from gun ownership. You're trying to make what I said into something it's not.

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you keep flip flopping... are you Mitt Romney?


Can you please stop that? I never once flip flopped.

Saying "They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way." is very clearly not the same thing as saying  "anyone who is seeing a psychiatrist should not be allowed to purchase a gun."


zappaisgod said:
I have a degree in it, sweetheart.  You do not.


You have a degree in psychology, which is not about the scientific aspect(neuroscience) nor the medical aspect (psychiatry) and you don't practice in the mental health field.

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Did you go on to make the point that unstable people should not own guns?


Not just unstable people, people who are so unstable that they are a danger to themselves and those around them. There are varying degrees of instability which you should know about due to your degree, sweetie. :smirk:


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod]
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I'm ten for Pete's sake. I think maybe your appointment calendar's squares got juggled. I'm the potentially gifted ten-year-old tennis and lexical prodigy whose mom's a continental mover and shaker in the prescriptive-grammar academic world and whose dad's a towering figure in optical and avant-garde film circles and single-handedly founded the Enfield Tennis Academy but drinks Wild Turkey at like 5:00 A.M. and pitches over sideways during dawn drills, on the courts, some days, and some days presents with delusions about people's mouths moving but nothing coming out. I'm not even up to/yet, in the condensed O.E.D., much less Quebec or malevolent Lurias.

Of the fact that photos of the aforementioned . . . liaison being leaked to Der Spiegel resulted in the bizarre deaths of both an Ottawan paparazzo and a Bavarian international-affairs editor, of an alpenstock through the abdomen and an ill-swallowed cocktail onion, respectively?

And it strikes me I've definitely seen that argyle sweater-vest before. That's Himself's special Interdependence-Day-celebratory-dinner argyle sweater-vest, that he makes a point of never having cleaned. I know those stains. I was there for that clot of veal marsala right there. Is this whole appointment a date-connected thing? Is this April Fools, Dad, or do I need to call the Moms and C.T.?


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
You don't have to keep quoting me. I never once said, in all the posts you're quoting, that seeing a psychiatrist is reason alone to be disqualified from gun ownership. You're trying to make what I said into something it's not.


those were your first statements showing that people under the care of a mental
health professional were unstable, do I need to go back to where you say that
unstable people shouldnt be allowed access to guns. it involves quoting you
which coincidentally also proves you wrong... again

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you keep flip flopping... are you Mitt Romney?


Can you please stop that? I never once flip flopped.


fine... you're floundering like an obama


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
The inability of the mental health field to do anything at all puts it to shame.  They are almost completely useless.  We would be better off with a panel of random citizens deciding who should be put in the bin.


You clearly know nothing about the mental health field.


I have a degree in it, sweetheart.  You do not.
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They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way.  =/= anyone who is seeing a psychiatrist should not be allowed to purchase a gun. :rolleyes:


Did you go on to make the point that unstable people should not own guns?

You are going to spin so fucking hard that you will pass through the molten core of the earth and appear in some village near the South China Sea.


hahahahahahahhaahahahha

You have a degree in Psychology and you were making fun of Anthropology.

The two softest sciences there are.

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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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zappaisgod said:
JoieDeVivre said:
You clearly know nothing about the mental health field.


I have a degree in it, sweetheart.  You do not.



JoieDeVivre said:
You have a degree in psychology, which is not about the scientific aspect(neuroscience) nor the medical aspect (psychiatry) and you don't practice in the mental health field.



lol... are you saying that psychologist only know the field if they have a
practice? that's akin to saying only a practicing lawyer would know about the
legal system... maybe surgeons forget everything hey know the second they retire


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
I have a degree in it, sweetheart.  You do not.


You have a degree in psychology, which is not about the scientific aspect(neuroscience) nor the medical aspect (psychiatry) and you don't practice in the mental health field.

  Except for required nonsense my entire curriculum  in psychology was 100% the scientific aspects of it, including biochem, physiological psych and comparative anatomy.  Further, I have had to deal with the field in re people in my family and have remained extremely current.  You?  Not so much.
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Did you go on to make the point that unstable people should not own guns?


Not just unstable people, people who are so unstable that they are a danger to themselves and those around them. There are varying degrees of instability which you should know about due to your degree, sweetie. :smirk:


I just posted a link to a subway pusher.  We need to reopen the asylums.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
lol... are you saying that psychologist only know the field if they have a
practice? that's akin to saying only a practicing lawyer would know about the
legal system... maybe surgeons forget everything hey know the second they retire


No, I'm saying the field advances rather quickly and that not practicing does lead to a loss of knowledge. Are you arguing that memory that is not exercised is not lost over time?

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those were your first statements showing that people under the care of a mental
health professional were unstable, do I need to go back to where you say that
unstable people shouldnt be allowed access to guns. it involves quoting you
which coincidentally also proves you wrong... again


No, I said that people who are so unstable that they are a danger to themselves and other should not have access to firearms. There are varying degrees of instability/irregularity, you know. Someone with mild anxiety has a mental instability but that doesn't mean they're a danger to anyone.


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UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Except for required nonsense my entire curriculum  in psychology was 100% the scientific aspects of it, including biochem, physiological psych and comparative anatomy.  Further, I have had to deal with the field in re people in my family and have remained extremely current.  You?  Not so much.


I'm in the middle of the exact same type of education right now, but more rigorous and I'm actually going on to complete more education after undergrad. If anything I'm getting more updated information than was even known during your college years. Tell me how you know so much more than me because you're older and thus were able to attend college before I was. :rolleyes:


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"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."


UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
Except for required nonsense my entire curriculum  in psychology was 100% the scientific aspects of it, including biochem, physiological psych and comparative anatomy.  Further, I have had to deal with the field in re people in my family and have remained extremely current.  You?  Not so much.


I'm in the middle of the exact same type of education right now, but more rigorous and I'm actually going on to complete more education after undergrad. If anything I'm getting more updated information than was even known during your college years. Tell me how you know so much more than me because you're older and thus were able to attend college before I was. :rolleyes:


ORLY?  Then when do you get to the part where you realize that they don't know shit?  For me it was freshman year when they taught us about all of these mutually exclusive theories.  If you get ten different theories, none of which are conclusively backed by research, you have a choice to make.  Either 9 are nonsense or 10 are nonsense.  I went with 10 and have seen exactly nothing to disabuse me of the notion that I was absolutely correct.

More rigorous?  And how was your calculus class?  And your chem 101 and 102?


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
ORLY?  Then when do you get to the part where you realize that they don't know shit?  For me it was freshman year when they taught us about all of these mutually exclusive theories.  If you get ten different theories, none of which are conclusively backed by research, you have a choice to make.  Either 9 are nonsense or 10 are nonsense.  I went with 10 and have seen exactly nothing to disabuse me of the notion that I was absolutely correct.

More rigorous?  And how was your calculus class?  And your chem 101 and 102?


See you were learning psychological theories whereas I'm learning the molecular biology involved with the brain and other aspects of neuroscience. :lol:

Calculus sucked, I'm retaking it to get an A. Chem 110, 111, 112 and 210 all went swimmingly, thanks.


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"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."


UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: Charlie Sheen]
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Charlie Sheen said:
How about instead of pretending that banning guns is going to prevent people from being murdered we focus on the psychological aspects of what drives someone to murder.


QFT


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/29/28-children-stabbed-at-ki_n_556520.html

Oh noes, gotta ban knives now too.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
ORLY?  Then when do you get to the part where you realize that they don't know shit?  For me it was freshman year when they taught us about all of these mutually exclusive theories.  If you get ten different theories, none of which are conclusively backed by research, you have a choice to make.  Either 9 are nonsense or 10 are nonsense.  I went with 10 and have seen exactly nothing to disabuse me of the notion that I was absolutely correct.

More rigorous?  And how was your calculus class?  And your chem 101 and 102?


See you were learning psychological theories whereas I'm learning the molecular biology involved with the brain and other aspects of neuroscience. :lol:

Calculus sucked, I'm retaking it to get an A. Chem 110, 111, 112 and 210 all went swimmingly, thanks.


I believe I made it clear that I avoided that as much as possible after freshman year.  Psych 101.  They still required us to take some bullshit.  I'm sure they still require you to do the same thing.  Or are you not getting a psychology degree?

Please tell me where you think they know what the fuck they are talking about, by the way.  I'd be interested to know.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
Prisoner#1 said:
lol... are you saying that psychologist only know the field if they have a
practice? that's akin to saying only a practicing lawyer would know about the
legal system... maybe surgeons forget everything hey know the second they retire


No, I'm saying the field advances rather quickly and that not practicing does lead to a loss of knowledge. Are you arguing that memory that is not exercised is not lost over time?



are you saying that zappa is incapable of keeping up with these things in his
spare time? no how would any other psychologist get all this information if not
through the same sources available to everyone with an interest, it's not like
the knowledge is telepathically sent only to psychologist in the yellow pages


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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Dude no matter what way you look at it Psychology is a weak science.

Sure you had to take some real science classes to get that degree but the main psychology classes are a joke

Just curious what was the highest math you had to take?

Stats?

Biology is by far the most enjoyable of the sciences IMO.

Now physics majors... i got so mad respect for those crazy fucks

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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: elax420]
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Noone is taking my fucking bear arms :crankey:  That shit is in the constitution and this is America dammint, home of da motherfucking Bears.  There is no room for interpretation of thinking about what that means, because the founding fathers died for those bears and you all didn't.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said:
What's really sad is that so many of you are willing to demand that the government take away your freedoms, that the government take away your rights and come into your home and tell you what to do. You're demanding that the government take your rights away, and you're not even doing it for your own safety, or for any kind of logical reason.

One shooting happens and suddenly you demand that the government take your rights away for no reason. Never mind the hundreds of stabbings that happen every year, or the millions of gun owners who don't commit crimes, or the gun owners who save peoples lives and stop criminals by using their firearms responsibly. One shooting and you ignore all the evidence to the contrary, and demand that the government take away your rights.

It's people like you that supported alcohol and drug prohibition. Gullible people who believe whatever the television news tells them to.


One shooting. Every other day. the logical reason is the number of people killed by guns in this country. Tens of thousands every year. No other country comes close. Our way doesn't work. Lets try something new. All the evidence shows guns make violent crime deadlier. These are facts I'm not going to argue them anymore. You should at least argue your position honestly.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said:
Noone is taking my fucking bear arms :crankey:  That shit is in the constitution and this is America dammint, home of da motherfucking Bears.  There is no room for interpretation of thinking about what that means, because the founding fathers died for those bears and you all didn't.





those are not even bears :facepalm:


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