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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: MorphinTime]
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MorphinTime said:
:shrug:


Can you really compare the combined destructive power and ease of use of a gun to the destructive power of drugs, ropes, saws or even a car? I personally don't think so.


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UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: vinsue]
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vinsue said:
koods said:
There is no way to guarantee those guns will not be used in a horrific way. You can't control them.


He probably has a gun safe...:peace:


So what? Safes are no guarantee of anything, except maybe that kids will try their hardest to get in.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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zappaisgod said:
koods said:
zappaisgod said:
It has been pointed out by a few people that Micheal Bloomburg, who is one of the strongest advocates of gun prohibition in the country, travels with armed guards everywhere he goes.


I believe you asked someone if they knew what a straw man argument was... Well, this is a wonderful example.


:facepalm:How is it a straw man to point out that many of the most vociferous proponents of gun restrictions travel with armed guards?


Because your acting like every person who believes in gun control wants to ban all guns.

Oh an elected official travels with an armed escort
:waitwhatthehell:
whhhaaaaaaaaaa surely this is a first

:huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
MorphinTime said:
:shrug:


Can you really compare the combined destructive power and ease of use of a gun to the destructive power of drugs, ropes, saws or even a car? I personally don't think so.



Yes, where is your imagination?


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
Prisoner#1 said:
why should I have to go through a psych eval to buy a gun? I have no history
of violence, no history of substance abuse, I'm an upstanding member of my
community... will you be paying for this psych eval?


Why should you? Because guns are one of the easiest ways to kill a large number of people with little effort.


so are cars. maybe we need a psych eval to drive a car too





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A lot of mass murderers have no history of violence or substance abuse and seem to be at least decent people before they commit their crime.


maybe banning drugs is the anwer because I'm sure that most mass murderers
have at some time used drugs... charles manson for instance, richard ramirez
in fact I bet the majority of them have used drugs but for some reason you
choose not to believe it just as you choose to believe that guns are an easy
way to a high death toll

in fact, I'm willing to bet if you look, most of the modern mass murderers
were under psychiatric care and one psychiatric drugs, now there's a fucking
link. let's ban the head shrinkers because they're the ones causing the mass
murders since most saw a shrink

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Ideally your insurance would pay for the evaluation or perhaps an evaluation for such purposes could be discounted.


lol... ideally? discounted? do doctors give discounts for shit they'll be seeing a hundred times per day? maybe obamacare will pay for the psych eval

oh wait, obamacare isnt paying for anything related to health care


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I really don't appreciate the constant twisting of my words that has been a trademark of this thread. I simply stated that if you're seeing a psychiatrist, a mental health professional, you believe you may be unstable in some way or that you need help getting through some mental health issues. I never said this was a bad thing or that it makes you insane.




we're not twisting your words, these were things you said... maybe you should
clarify when you make the statement instead of trying to flip flop on it once
it's said


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Oh god :lolsy:

Zappa even hates the ACLU

Can you be anymore of a stereotypical wingnut.

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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre] * 1
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JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
I don't think you know what the word "unstable" means.  And I believe you did say that you think seeing a psychiatrist for anything should disqualify you from owning a gun.


In this case I use the word unstable to mean irregular and/or  characterized by lack of emotional control. No, I never once said that seeing a psychiatrist alone is enough to disqualify you from owning a gun. :lol: Once again, trying to twist my words. I did say that most people involved in mass shootings had seen a psychiatrist before or were believed to have some sort of mental disorder.


JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
Ken u reed?  He asked specifically if any of them had been previously diagnosed.  Your links go no where to establish that.


They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way. The problem is that they weren't previously diagnosed and properly treated before acquiring a firearm. If they were, the mass shootings wouldn't have happened.



I am twisting nothing.  You said quite clearly that anyone seeing a psychiatrist is "unstable".  The question at hand was whether they had been previously diagnosed.  Simply seeing a psychiatrist is not indicative of either a mental disorder, instability or a diagnosis. 

Of course mass murderers are deranged.  Do you know who else is deranged?  Subway pushers.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/man-pushed-in-front-of-midtown-subway-train-witnesses-say/

Simply seeing a shrink is not indicative of derangement but there are plenty of signs.  The libs have closed the asylums and released these people, often to a life of crime and homelessness.  The law forbids holding them.  Lib law.  ACLU law.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
we're not twisting your words, these were things you said... maybe you should
clarify when you make the statement instead of trying to flip flop on it once
it's said


How can I know that you'll take my statement so completely wrong? I can only see my own posts from my own point of view, knowing all my opinions very well and knowing how I see things. I can't possibly account for every single person's own perception of what I'm saying before I say it, though I do try to but unfortunately my own perspective is limited in that respect. That's why I have to clarify afterward. I resent that you say I'm flip flopping just because I didn't express myself as clearly to you before I knew how you would misinterpret my words as I am not able to. I'm sorry we're all not as psychic as you think you are. :thumbdown:


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"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."


UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod]
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Can you point out where I said that seeing a psychiatrist is enough to disqualify you from owning a gun? I did say that most, if not all, people who see a psychiatrist believe they are in some way mentally unstable (and by that I mean they think they have a mental irregularity). Believing you have a reason to see a psychiatrist is not akin to being a murderer, and I never once suggested that. I said that if the mass murderers had been properly diagnosed the killings may not have taken place, which is a possibility.

Don't act like closing asylums was a bad thing, asylum and their practices put the entire field of mental health to shame.


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Sapere aude

"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."


UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: MorphinTime]
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MorphinTime said:
koods said:
zappaisgod said:
I have lots of guns.  I've never shot even one person and only a very few animals.  The difference between me and people who do?  I'm not insane.  And it is a historical fact that the libs forced the closing of the asylums.


There is no way to guarantee those [automobiles/drugs/hacksaws/ropes/whatever] will not be used in a horrific way. You can't control them. They could be stolen. Someone you trust may not be trustworthy. You may not see the danger in someone because you love them and refuse to believe they could hurt someone. You could develop a mental illness. Your children or children of your friends could be motivated by fascination to find a way to get their hands on them.

I have no doubt that many owners of [automobiles/drugs/hacksaws/ropes/whatever] that end up being used to murder people felt the same way you do. You think you are the definition of responsible. But, the mere fact that you have "lots of [automobiles/drugs/hacksaws/ropes/whatever]" means you could be unwitting link in a chain of events that ends with tragedy. The only truly responsible action is to not have these [automobiles/drugs/hacksaws/ropes/whatever]. You have the freedom to own [automobiles/drugs/hacksaws/ropes/whatever], but you also have the freedom to not own them.

Those [automobiles/drugs/hacksaws/ropes/whatever] are a threat to others, and even a threat to yourself.



:shrug:


The discussion is about guns. But... Those things can kill or maim, but those are unintended consequences. Killing is the intended purpose of guns. You know what the unintended consequences of using a gun are? Survivors.

BTW, the requirments to drive a car, like taking a test and being insured exist because cars can be dangerous and they are far stricter than requirements placed on guns.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
zappaisgod said:
koods said:
zappaisgod said:
It has been pointed out by a few people that Micheal Bloomburg, who is one of the strongest advocates of gun prohibition in the country, travels with armed guards everywhere he goes.


I believe you asked someone if they knew what a straw man argument was... Well, this is a wonderful example.


:facepalm:How is it a straw man to point out that many of the most vociferous proponents of gun restrictions travel with armed guards?


Because your acting like every person who believes in gun control wants to ban all guns.


I didn't say that.  I said this, "many of the most vociferous proponents of gun restrictions travel with armed guards".  I also specified Michael Bloomburg.  Read all the words in a sentence. 
Quote:
Oh an elected official travels with an armed escort


Bloomburg traveled with an armed escort before he was mayor. 
Quote:

:waitwhatthehell:
whhhaaaaaaaaaa surely this is a first

:huxleyfacepalm:


:facepalm:


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod]
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JoieDeVivre said:
Can you point out where I said that seeing a psychiatrist is enough to disqualify you from owning a gun? I did say that most, if not all, people who see a psychiatrist believe they are in some way mentally unstable (and by that I mean they think they have a mental irregularity). Believing you have a reason to see a psychiatrist is not akin to being a murderer, and I never once suggested that. I said that if the mass murderers had been properly diagnosed the killings may not have taken place, which is a possibility.


You said this:

JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
Ken u reed?  He asked specifically if any of them had been previously diagnosed.  Your links go no where to establish that.


They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way. The problem is that they weren't previously diagnosed and properly treated before acquiring a firearm. If they were, the mass shootings wouldn't have happened.


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Don't act like closing asylums was a bad thing, asylum and their practices put the entire field of mental health to shame.


The inability of the mental health field to do anything at all puts it to shame.  They are almost completely useless.  We would be better off with a panel of random citizens deciding who should be put in the bin.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod]
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One of the richest men in the world travels with an armed escort


whaaaaaa this cant be

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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
The inability of the mental health field to do anything at all puts it to shame.  They are almost completely useless.  We would be better off with a panel of random citizens deciding who should be put in the bin.


You clearly know nothing about the mental health field.

They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way.  =/= anyone who is seeing a psychiatrist should not be allowed to purchase a gun. :rolleyes:


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Sapere aude

"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."


UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
MorphinTime said:
:shrug:


Can you really compare the combined destructive power and ease of use of a gun to the destructive power of drugs, ropes, saws or even a car? I personally don't think so.




you're really going to go there with that?




in case you're wondering, it's jonestown. 918 people. men, women and children
died just as quickly as they could drink the koolaid



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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: koods]
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koods said:
The discussion is about guns.


I know.

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But... Those things can kill or maim, but those are unintended consequences.


Unless those things are used to kill or maim, then killing or maiming becomes an intended consequence.  The user decides what an inanimate object is for.

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Killing is the intended purpose of guns. You know what the unintended consequences of using a gun are? Survivors.


A gun's purpose is to propel a projectile/direct a propelled projectile.  I have plenty of guns I don't use for hunting or killing anything.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
The inability of the mental health field to do anything at all puts it to shame.  They are almost completely useless.  We would be better off with a panel of random citizens deciding who should be put in the bin.


You clearly know nothing about the mental health field.

They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way.  =/= anyone who is seeing a psychiatrist should not be allowed to purchase a gun. :rolleyes:



so you contend that anyone seeing a psychiatrist would be disqualified


you just claimed you didnt say that shit


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
so you contend that anyone seeing a psychiatrist would be disqualified


you just claimed you didnt say that shit


Did you even read what I just posted? I'll copy it again for you below... I said that saying someone believes they are mentally unstable (one of the major reasons anyone sees a psychiatrist) does not automatically mean they should be disqualified from owning a gun.

They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way.  =/= anyone who is seeing a psychiatrist should not be allowed to purchase a gun. :rolleyes:


Let me clarify further: having a mental instability does not mean you are likely to become a murderer. Anxiety is a mental instability, as is depression and neither of those things alone makes you any more likely to become a murderer and should thus not be the sole reason someone isn't allowed to have a gun.


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Sapere aude

"We cannot live for ourselves alone. Our lives are connected by a thousand invisible threads, and along these sympathetic fibers, our actions run as causes and return to us as results."


UBUNTU- I am because we are.


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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre] * 1
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What's really sad is that so many of you are willing to demand that the government take away your freedoms, that the government take away your rights and come into your home and tell you what to do. You're demanding that the government take your rights away, and you're not even doing it for your own safety, or for any kind of logical reason.

One shooting happens and suddenly you demand that the government take your rights away for no reason. Never mind the hundreds of stabbings that happen every year, or the millions of gun owners who don't commit crimes, or the gun owners who save peoples lives and stop criminals by using their firearms responsibly. One shooting and you ignore all the evidence to the contrary, and demand that the government take away your rights.

It's people like you that supported alcohol and drug prohibition. Gullible people who believe whatever the television news tells them to.

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Re: Elementary school shooting in connecticut two shooters [Re: JoieDeVivre]
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JoieDeVivre said:
Prisoner#1 said:
we're not twisting your words, these were things you said... maybe you should
clarify when you make the statement instead of trying to flip flop on it once
it's said


How can I know that you'll take my statement so completely wrong? I can only see my own posts from my own point of view, knowing all my opinions very well and knowing how I see things. I can't possibly account for every single person's own perception of what I'm saying before I say it, though I do try to but unfortunately my own perspective is limited in that respect. That's why I have to clarify afterward. I resent that you say I'm flip flopping just because I didn't express myself as clearly to you before I knew how you would misinterpret my words as I am not able to. I'm sorry we're all not as psychic as you think you are. :thumbdown:



your words were pretty damned clear

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17393345#17393345
JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
Ken u reed?  He asked specifically if any of them had been previously diagnosed.  Your links go no where to establish that.


They were seeing a psychiatrist and thus obviously mentally unstable in some way. The problem is that they weren't previously diagnosed and properly treated before acquiring a firearm. If they were, the mass shootings wouldn't have happened.


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17393472#17393472
JoieDeVivre said:
zappaisgod said:
This is a stunningly ignorant statement.


Really? Do you go see a psychiatrist if you are not concerned about your mental health?



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