240779 said:

I hear that pretty much all agave sold in the stores is oxidized. I personally have found all agave I've ever tried to be nasty. Apparantly it's supposed to be clear. If it's not, it's oxidized/degraded... Blue agave would be an exception, however, going by the info, the true color is probably lighter then what is sold.

Yacon root syrup is another sweetener. Has a really good reputation from what I understand.

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Beefy1 said:

I worked at a raw vegan cafe.

Honey was off limits.

They used Agave instead.


Honey=vegetarian,  not Vegan.

Personally, I love honey.  Much better than agave in my opinion.

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Salomon said:

vegan....


op, do you make sure your shoes have no animal products in them?

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Yep.  I have these boots and they're vegan

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Odaxelagnia said:
I really don't even see how that's a grey area. Honey is made by animals and is therefore an animal product and is therefore not vegan. But if you want to eat it then eat it. I had tried to be pretty much vegan for a while and still ate honey just because it's good and I don't really feel sorry for the bees.

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Salomon said:

vegan....


op, do you make sure your shoes have no animal products in them?

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Shoes?  One truly can't be in touch with the Earth ,let alone the universe, wearing shoes..

k00laid said:

harvesting honey from a beehive is necessary

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Salomon said:

So I eat eggs occasionally from a friends free range rescued hens.

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koraks said:

k00laid said:

harvesting honey from a beehive is necessary

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Harvesting honey also means you have to feed the bees during winter, as you took away their food stores. This usually happens by giving them sugar water, but this does not have the same chemical makeup that honey does. Honey has, for example, has antibiotic properties that could very well play a role in the bees' defense against natural enemies (esp. parasites, fungi, bacteria).

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koraks said:

Being vegan sounds unnecessarily cumbersome at best and like bigotry at worst. But I wouldn't consider honey a vegan product, no. I wouldn't consider wheat a vegan product either btw; even seen a combine going through a wheat field? You're not telling me that that occurs without any loss of animal life.

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it's impossible to be a vegan unless you're willing to make your own clothes
and shoes, live in a cave and farm your own food so that you can ensure there's
no animals exploited or killed

vegan footwear

koraks said:

k00laid said:

harvesting honey from a beehive is necessary

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Harvesting honey also means you have to feed the bees during winter, as you took away their food stores. This usually happens by giving them sugar water, but this does not have the same chemical makeup that honey does. Honey has, for example, has antibiotic properties that could very well play a role in the bees' defense against natural enemies (esp. parasites, fungi, bacteria).

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k00laid said:

see now im not sure if you dont know anything about beekeeping

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but a properly maintained hive will produce more honey than it needs for winter.

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Prisoner#1 said:

it's impossible to be a vegan unless you're willing to make your own clothes
and shoes, live in a cave and farm your own food so that you can ensure there's
no animals exploited or killed

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Prisoner#1 said:

koraks said:

Being vegan sounds unnecessarily cumbersome at best and like bigotry at worst. But I wouldn't consider honey a vegan product, no. I wouldn't consider wheat a vegan product either btw; even seen a combine going through a wheat field? You're not telling me that that occurs without any loss of animal life.

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it's impossible to be a vegan unless you're willing to make your own clothes
and shoes, live in a cave and farm your own food so that you can ensure there's
no animals exploited or killed

vegan footwear

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240779 said:

Salomon said:

So I eat eggs occasionally from a friends free range rescued hens.

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That's good, but eating eggs are like a predator stealing a bird's nest eggs in the wild, right? so they're basically meat.

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