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Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2
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LA JOYA, Texas (AP) — A Texas state trooper who fired on a pickup truck from a helicopter and killed two illegal immigrants during a chase through the desert was trying to disable the vehicle and suspected it was being used to smuggle drugs, authorities said Friday.

The disclosure came a day after the incident that left two Guatemalan nationals dead on an isolated gravel road near the town of La Joya, just north of the Mexico border.

State game wardens were the first to encounter the truck Thursday. After the driver refused to stop, they radioed for help and state police responded, according to Parks and Wildlife Department spokesman Mike Cox.

When the helicopter with a sharpshooter arrived, officers concluded that the truck appeared to be carrying a "typical covered drug load" on its bed and was travelling at reckless speeds, police said.

After the shots were fired and the truck's tires blown out, the driver lost control and crashed into a ditch. State police said a preliminary investigation revealed that the shots fired from the helicopter struck the vehicle's occupants.

Eight people who were in the truck were arrested. At least seven of them were also from Guatemala. No drugs were found.

The Guatemalan consul in McAllen, Alba Caceres, told The Associated Press that the surviving witnesses told her "one died immediately, the other was apparently taken to a hospital and died on the way."

The sharpshooter was placed on administrative leave, a standard procedure after such incidents.

An expert on police chases said the decision to fire on the truck was "a reckless act" that served "no legitimate law enforcement purpose."

"In 25 years following police pursuits, I hadn't seen a situation where an officer shot a speeding vehicle from a helicopter," said Geoffrey Alpert, professor of criminology at the University of South Carolina. Such action would be reasonable only if "you know for sure the person driving the car deserves to die and that there are no other occupants."

In general, he said, law enforcement agencies allow the use of deadly force only when the car is being used as a weapon, not "just on a hunch," Alpert added.

The Texas Department of Public Safety referred questions about its policy governing the use of deadly force to its general manual, which says troopers are allowed to use such force when defending themselves or someone else from serious harm or death. Shooting at vehicles is justified to disable a vehicle or when deadly force is deemed necessary.

Other law enforcement agencies that patrol the border say they have similar limits on the practice.

For instance, federal Customs and Borders Protection agents "are trained to use deadly force in circumstances that pose a threat to their lives, the lives of their fellow law enforcement partners and innocent third parties," agency spokesman Doug Mosier said.

But a report presented Thursday to the United Nations by the American Civil Liberties Union said shootings and excessive force by Customs and Border Protection agents on the border have left at least 20 individuals dead or seriously hurt since January 2010.

Of those, eight cases involved agents responding to reports of people throwing rocks. Six involved people killed while standing on the Mexican side of the border.

In recent years, Texas state police have increased their presence in the border area, deploying more agents, more helicopters and more boats to patrol the Rio Grande.

Troopers are regularly involved in high-speed pursuits, often chasing drug smugglers into the river and back to Mexico.

Agency Director Stephen McCraw has said state police were pushed into that role because the federal government's efforts to secure the border have been insufficient.

Diplomats quickly began their own investigation into the chase.

The head of the Guatemalan Consulate in McAllen said she is demanding federal and state authorities provide an explanation.

"I am baffled. I can't understand how this could happen," Caceres said. "I understand that the agents are doing their job, that they are protecting their border. But if there is someone who is responsible for this, he has to pay."

The Guatemalans started their journey 19 days ago near Guatemala City, with plans to stay with friends and relatives in New York, New Jersey and Houston, she said.

They were covered with a tarp, but as the car sped away from the game warden and the helicopter, the men "were having lots of trouble holding on to that tarp, Caceres said. "They must have seen them."

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: biggysmall]
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This is....outrageous.  How many people are going to die because of out of control police and policing standards?  How many more times will this kind of behavior be tolerated or even praised as someone "Trying to do their job" when that job involves firing on non-violent individuals from a helicopter and killing multiple people in cold blood?


How many more unarmed, unarmored, non-violent people are going to be murdered by American police before people change their opinion about what the police are and what they have become?



Will I be counted among them?


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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: biggysmall]
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biggysmall said:
http://news.yahoo.com/trooper-fired-chopper-stop-truck-kills-2-013027265.html

LA JOYA, Texas (AP) — A Texas state trooper who fired on a pickup truck from a helicopter and killed two illegal immigrants during a chase through the desert

State game wardens were the first to encounter the truck Thursday. After the driver refused to stop, they radioed for help and state police responded, according to Parks and Wildlife Department spokesman Mike Cox.

When the helicopter with a sharpshooter arrived, officers concluded that the truck appeared to be carrying a "typical covered drug load" on its bed and was travelling at reckless speeds, police said.


" the driver lost control and crashed into a ditch"

"I understand that the agents are doing their job, that they are protecting their border."

They were covered with a tarp, but as the car sped away from the game warden and the helicopter, the men "were having lots of trouble holding on to that tarp, Caceres said. "They must have seen them."




I'm really not seeing an issue here

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Humility]
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Humility said:
Will I be counted among them?




will you be stopping and complying with the orders of the cops when you see the blues?

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
I'm really not seeing an issue here




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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Deadkndys420]
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Deadkndys420 said:
Prisoner#1 said:
I'm really not seeing an issue here






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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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If driving at high speeds, drugs an illegal immigration wouldn't be illegal, this would never have happened.

Damm you government!!!  :shakefist:


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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
If driving at high speeds, drugs an illegal immigration wouldn't be illegal, this would never have happened.





:lolwut:


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Almond Flour said:
Thats right. I take it up the ass on a daily. It feels great to finally let this out :gay:

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Deadkndys420]
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It's the laws man, let all that shit be legal and this would not have happened. Not that hard to understand.

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: 4runner]
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anunnakian said:
It's the laws man, let all that shit be legal and this would not have happened. Not that hard to understand.



I understood what he was saying it just moronic.


Let's just have our boarders open to anyone and while were at it lets make driving at high speeds legal as well.


Seems logical...


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Almond Flour said:
Thats right. I take it up the ass on a daily. It feels great to finally let this out :gay:

How to use PGP encryption
The Stoner's Cookbook

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Deadkndys420]
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:huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: 4runner]
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Illegal immigration should not be legal, I'm all for making drugs legal but come on. Completely open borders would cause many problems.


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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: biggysmall]
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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
If driving at high speeds, drugs an illegal immigration wouldn't be illegal, this would never have happened.

Damm you government!!!  :shakefist:




what will we do to them after we drug the illegal aliens

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: 4runner]
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anunnakian said:
It's the laws man, let all that shit be legal and this would not have happened. Not that hard to understand.




you're right. let's abolish the laws so it's permissible for texas and
arizona to invade mexico and kill it's millions of unarmed civilians
and reconquer the land in the name of spain!


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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: 4runner]
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Only problem i'm seeing is with the troopers accuracy... only 2 confirmed kills, thats bullshit


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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
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Ulfrick said:
Only problem i'm seeing is with the troopers accuracy... only 2 confirmed kills, thats bullshit



I say two kills is pretty good since he wasn't trying to kill them.

:shrug:


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Almond Flour said:
Thats right. I take it up the ass on a daily. It feels great to finally let this out :gay:

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Patlal said:
If driving at high speeds, drugs an illegal immigration wouldn't be illegal, this would never have happened.

Damm you government!!!  :shakefist:




what will we do to them after we drug the illegal aliens



The logical thing to do would be torture. How else are they gonna learn?


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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Deadkndys420]
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Deadkndys420 said:
Ulfrick said:
Only problem i'm seeing is with the troopers accuracy... only 2 confirmed kills, thats bullshit



I say two kills is pretty good since he wasn't trying to kill them.

:shrug:




lol... since when can you shoot something under a vehicle from above the
vehicle... is this zen sniping? where can I take this class. the cop wasnt
trying to shoot out tires, he was trying to stop a criminal in a dangerous
act and the easiest way to do that is to kill the driver which is why he was
killed by the shot and the tires were not blown out

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Re: Trooper fired from chopper to stop truck, kills 2 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Now that I think of it. The trooper is a terrific shot.

Do you know how hard it is to shoot a sniper at a speeding car from a helicopter???

Most people can shot a can 30 feet away lol


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