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KILL EM ALL
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I have kind of stopped growing for the moment so I thought I would mention a few subjects that bother me in our every day lives. Some of our lives may be more affected by what I am about to mention, but I don’t mean to offend anyone.
Child abuse is something we here of everyday here in Britain, every single day there are some sort of child abuse or child neglect mentioned on the news or on TV. Only recently there was a case of a single mother going skiing and leaving here 10 year old son to look after himself, which I find appalling. The boy was brave and went to school everyday and never mentioned that his mother was away, he defended his mother when it came to light and she is now awaiting court proceedings for her neglect.
Paedophiles are everywhere in our society, you can bet there’s one living just a few blocks from you. They to me are the scum of the earth, they must have been put on this planet by the devil because only the devil himself could think up the sickening forms of enjoyment these animals get from the depraved acts the subject children to.
We see it here everyday 40-year-old women coming forward and naming a beast aged 65 even 75 who prayed on the unfortunate girl when she was only a baby. They think they have got away with it but these brave boys and girls are now coming forward to see their attackers brought forward to face justice.
A former glam rock star here in Britain Garry Glitter, real name Paul Gadd put his PC into a shop to be repaired and they found over 2000 child porn photos on his PC. He was found guilty and sentenced to 3 years, he was out in 18 months. Now I am seeing on TV that he has been booted out of Cambodia for child sex offences, a slow painful death is what this animal deserves.
Now in today’s papers ect we see Pete Townsend from The Who is being questioned about giving his credit card details to a child porn site on the web. Townsend claims he was researching a book and has proof to back him up, I want to believe him because I seen the Who 1976 and like there music, so the jury’s still out on him. Also caught with him were a few policemen and a judge, you never known who a potential paedophile is.
Me having a daughter this subject really bothers me and knowing that there’s beasts out there want to use her and kids like here for their sexual enjoyment, god help any one of them I come across, I would not be responsible for my actions.
It’s the worst form of depravity one human being could inflict on another and when my daughter slips out of sight for a few mins the thoughts never far from the back of my mind even though I know she is perfectly safe.
We only see and read what goes on in the UK we don’t see anything from the USA but I know it’s the same in every part of the world and some places it’s a whole lot worse than others.
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Also caught with him were a few policemen and a judge, you never known who a potential paedophile is.
Out of the 1200 arrests the police have made since the credit card details were given to them 60 Policemen have been arrested. Thats 1 out of every 50 paedophiles is a policemen. You are supposed to trust these people.  I agree with you entirely! Every other day you here about some kind of sex crime. Its sad.
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Im with you dude, its sick! these people 'befriend' the families just to get at the kids, they become 'grampa joe' or 'uncle john'
question: is it a form of mental illness? should these people be treated as mental patients or criminals? they way it is at the moment they are treated as criminals, which implies that it is a moral 'choice' made by said pedophile! does everyone face this choice? after all men are programmed to look for youth in a potential mate (youth=fertility)
I don't feel like it is a choice for me, its wrong no question but is this social conditioning? or has somthing gone wrong with a pedophiles brain?
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You really can't trust everyone... Just look at all those catholic priests who got busted for sexual abuse. But most of sexual abuse happens by someone the victim already know's, like a uncle, friend of the family or neighbour. The best thing to do, is informing your kids about it and telling them to report it if it happens. I think pedophiles, rapists and child molesters should get no less than ten years in jail, even if it's a first offence.
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Well said man...the punishment should be to let us have at the bastards!
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Ripple]
#1211604 - 01/12/03 09:29 AM (21 years, 20 days ago) |
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Here here, me and Ripple can be the pedophile and rapist destruction crew. I see no reason for the bastards to remain with the living. Child molesters cannot be rehabilitated, I don't give a hoot what the shrinks say. Off with their heads.
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It probably goes on just as much elsewhere...I mean it isn't that Britain has a higher percentage of pedophiles than normal I don't think, it's just that there is a kind of hysteria about it right now...pretty much caused by a few sensationalist narrow minded tabloids. Remember that "name and shame" campaign?
While I agree that child abuse is terrible, of course it is, this "kill em all" witch-hunt mentality is not the answer, IMO. You have to remember that a lot of pedophiles were sexually abused as children...which doesn't excuse it but at least helps to explain it...these people need HELP, surely...
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I don;t care if they were abused as children. The damage is already done. get freakin rid of them before they manage to fuck up another generation of kids. Damn, I just do not understand anybody who can be the least bit sympathetic about a goddamn chomo.
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There has been a recent case in Portugal in an institucion for orphans/ really poor children. A stupid sick bastard was raping some kids, and making money by taking them to all sorts of political, diplomatic and mediatic personalities's houses for strip shows and who knows what more for over 30 years.
Now the stupid fuck is in jail b/c a really brave 13 yr old decided to come forward. When this kid did that a lot of other kids and people who had been in that school before have came forward also.
This guy had already been acused by some kids 20 yrs ago but the 'principal' at the time got more worried with negative publicity than with the children being molested. So neither did the case come out nor Bibi (the paedophile) was fired from the institucion. The former principal is also at trial, gladly.
I don't think however that killing them all is a good solution. Putting them behind bars for a couple decades should do. If it doesn't than i really think they should be chemically castrated.
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: ]
#1216487 - 01/14/03 03:42 AM (21 years, 18 days ago) |
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Pete Towshend has been released with no charges, as yet. The confiscated computers and videos also some discs and there still looking through his house ect. A few child protection organizations have said the excuse Townshend gave was the classic paedophile excuse, I was researching for a book. He logged on, he gave his credit card details, he helped put money in those bastards pockets who exploit children. Maybe his excuse is legitimate time will tell.
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"question: is it a form of mental illness? should these people be treated as mental patients or criminals? they way it is at the moment they are treated as criminals, which implies that it is a moral 'choice' made by said pedophile!"
I seriously doubt anyone chooses to be a pedophile. I can't imagine anyone making that choice.
How many pedophiles are out there that never actually abuse children? Remember, the only ones you'll ever hear about are the ones that do abuse children. Someone who doesn't abuse anyone doesn't make it on the news.
Does child pornography prevent pedophiles from abusing children?
How can we find or deal with pedophiles who have never abused children? Should we offer them therapy and support groups? Would this prevent them from abusing children?
Should they be allowed to posess written works of child pornography (children don't have to be abused in order for it to be produced)? Should this be covered by freedom of speech?
"is this social conditioning? or has somthing gone wrong with a pedophiles brain?"
Perhaps both. I do know that someone who was abused as a child is far more likely to abuse children when they grow up. It's also likely that they could be born with some actual difference in their brain.
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"Damn, I just do not understand anybody who can be the least bit sympathetic about a goddamn chomo."
Chomo? "Child-homo"? First off, the vast majority of pedophiles are straight, there is no higher incidence of pedophilia among gay men.
Secondly, getting so angry just makes you stupider. Just deciding to go and kill every single person who is, or might be a pedophile is sick.
If you try to get to the root of the problem, you can have productive members of society who don't molest anyone.
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Phluck]
#1217152 - 01/14/03 07:39 AM (21 years, 18 days ago) |
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Exactly..
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Phluck]
#1217268 - 01/14/03 08:32 AM (21 years, 18 days ago) |
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A chomo is what child molesters are called in prison slang. And there is no lower life form on the prison ladder. They always get what they deserve when they go to prison, if they are not segregated from the general population. Murderers and other hard core inmates hate them even more than I do, and fortunately, they get to give them a taste of what it's like to be molested.
Secondly there is no such thing as "stupider".
I didn't say I'd like to kill all those who are or "might be" pedophiles. Just the ones who are. If some sick fuck is a pedophile in his head for his entire life and never acts on it, I have no problem with that.
Do you have any children? It might change your sympathetic position.
In my personal opinion, getting to the root of the problem involves eliminating those who prey on our children. Do it once and you are done. Permanently. Might make a pedophile who is contemplating crossing the line between fantasy and reality think a little harder before he (or she) does so.
btw, I am not so angry as you think. But god help the dumb f 'er who ever messes with my kid.
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"Do you have any children? It might change your sympathetic position."
By clouding my head with emotional attachment to the issue.
"In my personal opinion, getting to the root of the problem involves eliminating those who prey on our children. Do it once and you are done. Permanently."
That's bullshit. Pedophilia can't only come from those who are abused when they are young. Youth is, and always will be attractive, in some people, this is taken to an extreme. Lots of things not related to abuse could also cause pedophilia.
It's not something you can just eliminate forever. There always have been, and always will be pedophiles. You can just wait until they prey on kids, or you can find the best way to minimize the damage.
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Phluck]
#1217486 - 01/14/03 09:30 AM (21 years, 18 days ago) |
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. I hope if you ever have kids you don't have to have your emotions clouded when somebody tries to molest them.
Peace.
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As Lavey abused and married his daughter that stripes out any lefty in the rule. Lavey got screwed by his dad who in his turn beat his wife to near death. The wife was a french whore who loved to see the dad molest young Lavey. Lavey joint the circus and becam the High Priest of the church of Satan and a SUPER ROCKCHICK made a song about it . Lavey is dead now and left the church in the current state it is in. I did some digging in the night-church and found out that many of the pedophile ways in thinking is related or the same to the very issue. Don't believe me if you don't want to. I have to agree with the killing of those very ppl though. When one gets exposed closely to this, man may flip. I don't understand any of the supposedly lefty or satanic excuses. Do they really think ppl are that stupid? Don't answer that b'cause they are. Mettalica, Rammstein kiss my ass !
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How the fuck can anyone try and justify those animals, that is fuckin sick in itself.
Their problem is they can control their sexual urges the way normal humans can and that’s a CRIME, that should be punishable by at least castration and at most death.
PHLUCK ..You wait till you have kids you will see the point of killing these sick motherfuckers.
I find it sad that anyone should even try to put up a defense for them.
Their fucking scum man who deserve to die and preferably a long slow painful death.
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I second that discision
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Those in the UK will know that another "celebrity" was arrested for rape of a minor yesterday. Matthew Kelly was arrested yesterday for sexual abuse on boys under the age of 16 during the seventies!
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Jackal]
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Sure I read that , 2 of them Kelly and Tam Paton who was manager of the Bay City Rollers. Paton is 1 fat asshole who was charged in the 70s for abusing young boys and Kelly well I always thought he was weird, snake like. Hope they all get what’s coming to them because if there is a god in heaven theses animals will be sent straight to hell. as for the other comments said on this post well i cant respond as i would like because the post would be closed. you know what i am saying
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I'm not trying to defend them.
I'm just looking at the issue with a clear head. What's the best way to reduce the amount of child abuse? It's not to simply punish those involved. You have to get to the root of the problem, and prevent the abuse before it happens. You can't do this with a witchhunt mentality, you need to find these people and give them therapy.
Revenge doesn't solve a problem. It doesn't make anything better.
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Phluck]
#1222925 - 01/16/03 05:10 AM (21 years, 16 days ago) |
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I'm not trying to defend them.
I'm just looking at the issue with a clear head. What's the best way to reduce the amount of child abuse? It's not to simply punish those involved. You have to get to the root of the problem, and prevent the abuse before it happens. You can't do this with a witchhunt mentality, you need to find these people and give them therapy.
Revenge doesn't solve a problem. It doesn't make anything better.
Like the war on drugs, the US takes the put everyone in jail approach to crime and rehabilitation.
I feel 'scotsman' anger for these sicko's but Phluck does bring up a good point.. I think these people have mental problems, and maybe a more effective way of protecting our children is to find out more about what causes adults to see children in a sexual light.
Because if anything can be done to lessen this sickenss then I'm all for it.. I do think thanks to the internet that more and more pedophiles are popping up these days 
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Thor]
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I agree with phluck we should hunt down these people and give them short, intensive, lasting therapy. However I don't agree entirely with Thor, yes it is true that the wide accesible internet makes it easier for pedophiles to find what they are looking for but on the otherhand puts the same people more at risk of getting caught. The internet is a open medium and thus accesible to everyone. It has no closed doors for those who know how to get around. You'll always be able to nail them in the open plains. No longer finding closed circuits so to speak.
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you make such a strong argument that it's wrong to harm children.... so you want to harm people as punishment?
the death penalty is a revenge thing. and i personally don't feel revenge is a great way to show off our morals.
i'm gonna be late for class.
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Thanks for the belligerent PM's, by the way.
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yeah, that all pisses me off too. There is some sick people out there. And there is even more derranged(sp?) people too. For example, people, who when they are 40, make accusations of rape/molestation towards an older relative or friend of the family who is like 75. But they are merely accusations. Many of those cases are full of so much bullshit, it makes me want to throw up.
See if from this point of few
You are a young girl, say 5 years old. You also have an uncle, who lives in the basement suite. Let's call him 'uncle arnie' Arnie is like 30 years old. He still likes to drink, have fun, etc. Now, suppose you are this little girl, and you hate this uncle. You think he's mean. He, in a way, is helping your mom and dad raise you. He doesn't let you do the things you want, or stay up late. And as you get older, he even starts yelling at you. When you become a teenager, you yell back. He yells more, sometimes, even scaring you(even though not touching you). Than you grow up...and when your 40, and have nothing better to do, you think about all these memories. The human brain can be pathetic. The right person, can easily exaggerate old memories, and eventually, ACTUALLY believe him/herself that the events actually took place. They have a dislike for the person from since they were very young. It all stems from that.
Than the accused, goes through hell. Even if he's found not guilty. The damage has been done.
Now, I'm not saying that it's always not true. But high percentage of those 'coming out and talking when your older' cases, are bullshit.
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Yeah, that's a very good point.
False memory syndrome was all over the news a few years ago. There were some new psychological techniques for bringing out repressed memories, and they seemed to work well, getting lots of results.
What nobody realized at first, was that people had no way of distinguishing the difference between actual memories, and imagined events.
A lot of innocent people were accused and charged with abuse. A lot of innocent people had their reputations destroyed.
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Phluck]
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Yes you are very right, and in my mind, 100, even 1 million people who are ACTUALLY guilty of sick actions like that, is not worth 1 not guilty person being convicted. But that's the justice/court system for ya....thats a whole other topic....;)
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I agree, a false accusation can ruin someones life. Any new offence should be brought in for people who make false accusations which have a detrimental effect on someones life. There may already be such an offence, but I'm no Lawyer.
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Jackal]
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Yes that might be so but there are always the cases where some one is guilty but doesn't get the punishment that he should have. That can be the justice system also, everyone knows he's guilty and he'll walk anyway.
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I should never have brought this sick subject up, my blood boiled and I said some things in the heat of the moment for which I humbly apologize. I upset some people, nothing can change that and fuck it I say no more
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: purified]
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Man. Any reason why you are choosing to bump 6 year old threads with one word affirmations?
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Fred Garvin said: I don;t care if they were abused as children. The damage is already done. get freakin rid of them before they manage to fuck up another generation of kids. Damn, I just do not understand anybody who can be the least bit sympathetic about a goddamn chomo.
Hm, part of me shares your mentality. Another part of me looks at it another perspective though. A pedophile is NOT a sociopath. It is not if the pedophile wants to hurt these children for no reason, but rather there is something in his brain that is making him have these urges. Do you think he wants to be this way? Do you think it was his goal to be a social outcast? Obviously there are different degrees, some rape, some kill, others simply touch. Is death really the fucking answer though? These people have issues, this is obvious. They do not however usually think otherwise. If you commit a crime and feel guilty for it, you should be killed right away? Those who should be killed are sociopaths who care about no other than themselves. They kill, steal and do whatever they can to put themselves ahead of the game, wherever that may be in their own minds.
These people need to be instiutionalized or rather there needs to be a better preventative force. They should be killed because their father raped them? Doesn't it stand to argue then that we should kill the victim of rape (as in a boy or a girl at a young age) before they grow up to commit the act again? Its a flawed logic system man and it relies way too much on emotion. Sure we should kill all the people addicted to crack too so they will stop being a burden. Hell let's kill the prostitutes too so they can stop making our streets seem so filthy. Do you see what I am getting at? Atonement is needed, not fatality.
BUT on the other hand, were I in your position I would most likely feel completely different about it. The emotional side of me thinks that rape should be looked at as the same as first degree murder, I feel it takes just as much life away from a person as any gun. The world cannot run on these thoughts though, because if it did we would all be doomed. Anyone who stole would have his hands cut off. Most people (Sociopaths excluded) do not want to commit crime.
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