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Voodoo Doll
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I second that discision
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Jackal
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Those in the UK will know that another "celebrity" was arrested for rape of a minor yesterday. Matthew Kelly was arrested yesterday for sexual abuse on boys under the age of 16 during the seventies!
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Jackal]
#1222715 - 01/16/03 03:36 AM (21 years, 16 days ago) |
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Sure I read that , 2 of them Kelly and Tam Paton who was manager of the Bay City Rollers. Paton is 1 fat asshole who was charged in the 70s for abusing young boys and Kelly well I always thought he was weird, snake like. Hope they all get what’s coming to them because if there is a god in heaven theses animals will be sent straight to hell. as for the other comments said on this post well i cant respond as i would like because the post would be closed. you know what i am saying
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Phluck
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I'm not trying to defend them.
I'm just looking at the issue with a clear head. What's the best way to reduce the amount of child abuse? It's not to simply punish those involved. You have to get to the root of the problem, and prevent the abuse before it happens. You can't do this with a witchhunt mentality, you need to find these people and give them therapy.
Revenge doesn't solve a problem. It doesn't make anything better.
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Phluck]
#1222925 - 01/16/03 05:10 AM (21 years, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
I'm not trying to defend them.
I'm just looking at the issue with a clear head. What's the best way to reduce the amount of child abuse? It's not to simply punish those involved. You have to get to the root of the problem, and prevent the abuse before it happens. You can't do this with a witchhunt mentality, you need to find these people and give them therapy.
Revenge doesn't solve a problem. It doesn't make anything better.
Like the war on drugs, the US takes the put everyone in jail approach to crime and rehabilitation.
I feel 'scotsman' anger for these sicko's but Phluck does bring up a good point.. I think these people have mental problems, and maybe a more effective way of protecting our children is to find out more about what causes adults to see children in a sexual light.
Because if anything can be done to lessen this sickenss then I'm all for it.. I do think thanks to the internet that more and more pedophiles are popping up these days 
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Voodoo Doll
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Thor]
#1223189 - 01/16/03 07:12 AM (21 years, 16 days ago) |
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I agree with phluck we should hunt down these people and give them short, intensive, lasting therapy. However I don't agree entirely with Thor, yes it is true that the wide accesible internet makes it easier for pedophiles to find what they are looking for but on the otherhand puts the same people more at risk of getting caught. The internet is a open medium and thus accesible to everyone. It has no closed doors for those who know how to get around. You'll always be able to nail them in the open plains. No longer finding closed circuits so to speak.
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Captain Jack
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you make such a strong argument that it's wrong to harm children.... so you want to harm people as punishment?
the death penalty is a revenge thing. and i personally don't feel revenge is a great way to show off our morals.
i'm gonna be late for class.
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Phluck
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Thanks for the belligerent PM's, by the way.
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juicemonkey
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yeah, that all pisses me off too. There is some sick people out there. And there is even more derranged(sp?) people too. For example, people, who when they are 40, make accusations of rape/molestation towards an older relative or friend of the family who is like 75. But they are merely accusations. Many of those cases are full of so much bullshit, it makes me want to throw up.
See if from this point of few
You are a young girl, say 5 years old. You also have an uncle, who lives in the basement suite. Let's call him 'uncle arnie' Arnie is like 30 years old. He still likes to drink, have fun, etc. Now, suppose you are this little girl, and you hate this uncle. You think he's mean. He, in a way, is helping your mom and dad raise you. He doesn't let you do the things you want, or stay up late. And as you get older, he even starts yelling at you. When you become a teenager, you yell back. He yells more, sometimes, even scaring you(even though not touching you). Than you grow up...and when your 40, and have nothing better to do, you think about all these memories. The human brain can be pathetic. The right person, can easily exaggerate old memories, and eventually, ACTUALLY believe him/herself that the events actually took place. They have a dislike for the person from since they were very young. It all stems from that.
Than the accused, goes through hell. Even if he's found not guilty. The damage has been done.
Now, I'm not saying that it's always not true. But high percentage of those 'coming out and talking when your older' cases, are bullshit.
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Phluck
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Yeah, that's a very good point.
False memory syndrome was all over the news a few years ago. There were some new psychological techniques for bringing out repressed memories, and they seemed to work well, getting lots of results.
What nobody realized at first, was that people had no way of distinguishing the difference between actual memories, and imagined events.
A lot of innocent people were accused and charged with abuse. A lot of innocent people had their reputations destroyed.
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Phluck]
#1224348 - 01/16/03 04:08 PM (21 years, 16 days ago) |
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Yes you are very right, and in my mind, 100, even 1 million people who are ACTUALLY guilty of sick actions like that, is not worth 1 not guilty person being convicted. But that's the justice/court system for ya....thats a whole other topic....;)
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Jackal
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I agree, a false accusation can ruin someones life. Any new offence should be brought in for people who make false accusations which have a detrimental effect on someones life. There may already be such an offence, but I'm no Lawyer.
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Voodoo Doll
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: Jackal]
#1225204 - 01/17/03 02:21 AM (21 years, 15 days ago) |
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Yes that might be so but there are always the cases where some one is guilty but doesn't get the punishment that he should have. That can be the justice system also, everyone knows he's guilty and he'll walk anyway.
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I should never have brought this sick subject up, my blood boiled and I said some things in the heat of the moment for which I humbly apologize. I upset some people, nothing can change that and fuck it I say no more
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Voodoo Doll
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You the man scotsman1
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yeah
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Re: KILL EM ALL [Re: purified]
#11188581 - 10/05/09 05:16 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Man. Any reason why you are choosing to bump 6 year old threads with one word affirmations?
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Quote:
Fred Garvin said: I don;t care if they were abused as children. The damage is already done. get freakin rid of them before they manage to fuck up another generation of kids. Damn, I just do not understand anybody who can be the least bit sympathetic about a goddamn chomo.
Hm, part of me shares your mentality. Another part of me looks at it another perspective though. A pedophile is NOT a sociopath. It is not if the pedophile wants to hurt these children for no reason, but rather there is something in his brain that is making him have these urges. Do you think he wants to be this way? Do you think it was his goal to be a social outcast? Obviously there are different degrees, some rape, some kill, others simply touch. Is death really the fucking answer though? These people have issues, this is obvious. They do not however usually think otherwise. If you commit a crime and feel guilty for it, you should be killed right away? Those who should be killed are sociopaths who care about no other than themselves. They kill, steal and do whatever they can to put themselves ahead of the game, wherever that may be in their own minds.
These people need to be instiutionalized or rather there needs to be a better preventative force. They should be killed because their father raped them? Doesn't it stand to argue then that we should kill the victim of rape (as in a boy or a girl at a young age) before they grow up to commit the act again? Its a flawed logic system man and it relies way too much on emotion. Sure we should kill all the people addicted to crack too so they will stop being a burden. Hell let's kill the prostitutes too so they can stop making our streets seem so filthy. Do you see what I am getting at? Atonement is needed, not fatality.
BUT on the other hand, were I in your position I would most likely feel completely different about it. The emotional side of me thinks that rape should be looked at as the same as first degree murder, I feel it takes just as much life away from a person as any gun. The world cannot run on these thoughts though, because if it did we would all be doomed. Anyone who stole would have his hands cut off. Most people (Sociopaths excluded) do not want to commit crime.
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