zappaisgod said:

Ill-bird said:

you know I think I'm giving you 5 shrooms just because of how honest you were when you gave yourself the title ( Horrid Asshole ) seriously though man how do you have all this inside info on government operations? Media? I hope you'll say your an elite member of the ruling class because whatever you read or see on the news could easily be lies to satisfy the ears and eyes of the common man.

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What I know is that there is not nor could there be a global cabal of conspirators making every nation prohibit drugs just to make a few bucks for a very small group of people.  KooKoo.

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Not Quite Social said:

There doesn't have to be a "global cabal of conspirators"-- that's your straw man.  There are constituencies, the military industrial complex is one.  Who else benefits financially from the war on drugs? Law enforcement and lawyers (courts), private prison companies, correction officers and their unions, politicians (because all those guys give politicians money), and I'm probably leaving some people out.  Alcohol, cigarette and drug companies are happy to keep out the competition, I'm sure.  Common sense stuff, Zappa, not conspiracy theories.

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  Yes, you are leaving out the group that benefits the most.  Drug cartels. 

There is drug prohibition because the vast majority of the human population wants it.  That is the reality.  Not some global MI cabal.

johnm214 said:

zappaisgod said:

Ill-bird said:

you know I think I'm giving you 5 shrooms just because of how honest you were when you gave yourself the title ( Horrid Asshole ) seriously though man how do you have all this inside info on government operations? Media? I hope you'll say your an elite member of the ruling class because whatever you read or see on the news could easily be lies to satisfy the ears and eyes of the common man.

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What I know is that there is not nor could there be a global cabal of conspirators making every nation prohibit drugs just to make a few bucks for a very small group of people.  KooKoo.

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Well, there kind of is, only it isn't for profit- its due to popular support in the United States and other countries, and the will of the US State Department to push oppressive laws around the world via treaty and UN resolutions.

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zappaisgod said:

Not Quite Social said:

There doesn't have to be a "global cabal of conspirators"-- that's your straw man.  There are constituencies, the military industrial complex is one.  Who else benefits financially from the war on drugs? Law enforcement and lawyers (courts), private prison companies, correction officers and their unions, politicians (because all those guys give politicians money), and I'm probably leaving some people out.  Alcohol, cigarette and drug companies are happy to keep out the competition, I'm sure.  Common sense stuff, Zappa, not conspiracy theories.

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  Yes, you are leaving out the group that benefits the most.  Drug cartels. 

There is drug prohibition because the vast majority of the human population wants it.  That is the reality.  Not some global MI cabal.

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zappaisgod said:

johnm214 said:

zappaisgod said:

Ill-bird said:

you know I think I'm giving you 5 shrooms just because of how honest you were when you gave yourself the title ( Horrid Asshole ) seriously though man how do you have all this inside info on government operations? Media? I hope you'll say your an elite member of the ruling class because whatever you read or see on the news could easily be lies to satisfy the ears and eyes of the common man.

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What I know is that there is not nor could there be a global cabal of conspirators making every nation prohibit drugs just to make a few bucks for a very small group of people.  KooKoo.

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Well, there kind of is, only it isn't for profit- its due to popular support in the United States and other countries, and the will of the US State Department to push oppressive laws around the world via treaty and UN resolutions.

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The US State Department is not that powerful and drug prohibition predates it.

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johnm214 said:

Rail_Gun said:

The biggest drug cartels are the USA's own CIA and DEA, followed closely by British and Israeli intelligence services.

Thank you CIA for the Afghani brown H!

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Prove it.

Lets see if this is the first one of these that has any evidence besides some antecdotal report behind it.

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Ill-bird said:

Every country has drug prohibition just like every country has overlords. "They" , like I mentioned must somehow benefit from the war on drugs. It's kind of like how the food chain works, in a sense, just my opinion.

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Rail_Gun said:

johnm214 said:

Rail_Gun said:

The biggest drug cartels are the USA's own CIA and DEA, followed closely by British and Israeli intelligence services.

Thank you CIA for the Afghani brown H!

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Prove it.

Lets see if this is the first one of these that has any evidence besides some antecdotal report behind it.

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Quote:

During the Taliban rule, Afghanistan saw a bumper opium crop of 4,500 metric tons in 1999,.[15] However, in July 2000, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, collaborating with the United Nations to eradicate heroin production in Afghanistan, declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic, resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. As a result of this ban, opium poppy cultivation was reduced by 91% from the previous year's estimate of 82,172 hectares. The ban was so effective that Helmand Province, which had accounted for more than half of this area, recorded no poppy cultivation during the 2001 season.[16][17] The Bush administration paid a 43 million dollar 'eradication' reward payment to the Taliban in 2001.

[15]  http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2004/McCleanBriefing_041118.doc.htm
[16]  http://www.unodc.org/afg/reports_surveys.html
[17]  http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html

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johnm214 said:

zappaisgod said:

johnm214 said:

zappaisgod said:

What I know is that there is not nor could there be a global cabal of conspirators making every nation prohibit drugs just to make a few bucks for a very small group of people.  KooKoo.

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Well, there kind of is, only it isn't for profit- its due to popular support in the United States and other countries, and the will of the US State Department to push oppressive laws around the world via treaty and UN resolutions.

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The US State Department is not that powerful and drug prohibition predates it.

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Its not the state department's idea- they are just the people that push countries to not legalize, not decriminalize, threaten aide reductions, and all sorts of other bullying tactics to keep failed policies going and open access for expensive US agents to traipse around making the black market more deadly and more profitable.

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zappaisgod said:

One is certain doom, the other is not.

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Enlil said:

If incompetence meant certain doom, we'd have been doomed under the last president...

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Enlil said:

nonetheless, he was incompetent as a president and we've not met our dooms.  Even if obama is re-elected, it won't be certain doom.

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