Achumen said:

I should start by saying, I've been watching the banter between the Dems and GOP for the last 2 years and I've seen quite a lot of interesting things but one question comes to mind: "Why vote Republican?" and I don't wanna hear something stupid like "Obama's a faggot". I want a legit answer because I seem to have a hard time getting a legit answer from Republicans.

Now, I'm not saying the Democrats are completely innocent but from where I'm standing they have "purer" intentions.

Please, change my mind, Enlighten me.

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Lucid Dreaming said:

Don't vote republican. That would mean Mitt Romney would become president. When I look in his eyes I don't see the emotion of a normal person, I see the shell of a money chaser.

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He wants to cut taxes for the rich, increase them for the poor, and decrease regulations. Bill Clinton fixed our economy doing exactly the opposite.

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Obama loves spending money and I hate the Idea of us not starting on our huge debt, so I say vote libertarian.

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Probably the best option.

johnm214 said:

1.  To decrease the defeciet.  Obama has supported and signed legislation that has increased our defeciet by a large amount.  If Romney is elected, its somewhat more likely that he'll veto crap that increases our defeceit further (other than military stuff, which Republicans often seem to apply different standards to), and its quite possible his rhetoric will be able to bring attention to the issue and dissuade congress from continuing down this path.

2.  Help the economy.  By not having the looming threat of government intervention in various markets, there will be a more normalized and predictable outlook for businesses and investors, helping the economy.  Romney running the massive administrative apparatuses would probably help reduce pressure on companys through rulemaking and enforcement tending more towards a hands off approach of purely private concerns.

3.  Steer the country to a conservative, smaller government mindset: highly speculative, but people tend to view the present state as normative, and will perhaps support less government involvement in our lives and more freedom if a Republican is president who is somewhat conservative.  This has, philosophically, the best chance for reducing the harms of drug prohibition and other government involvement in private lives (other than marriage and abortion, which republicans seem to have a particular desire to control).  Beyond Mitt's thuggish stance on the use of substances he doesn't approve of, the philosophy of prohibition is completely morally bankrupt from a conservative standpoint, and if we can keep him from fucking up harm reduction (opioid maintnance/treatment facilities, and laws, access to clean needles, 'medical' marijuana clinics, et cet) more than Obama is, there may be some small future benefit.

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You make a habit of thoughtful answers.

Lucid Dreaming said:

I just heard a commercial where Bill Clinton said that Mitt Romney wants to do this and this and that we need to increase regulation like when I was president. So this is what I get for taking serious a presidency add LOL You are right though john214, I did hear the add and I just believed it because of my perceptions of what I believe a liberal democrat is.

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Lucid Dreaming said:

When it comes to in depth knowledge of Government and its inner workings, I feel completely in the dark.  When I hear about new bills, I think wow that sounds like a really good thing. Then when I hear someone else explain loopholes of that bill and negative things that could accompany it I feel "How could I have missed all that" I partially blame it on the News corporations. It feels like I never truly hear both sides. In order for me to do that I have to watch Fox and Msnbc. Then I walk away from the television, not knowing who I trust, or who to believe.

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luvdemshrooms said:

Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

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The Congressional Budget Office in a new report:

    When [the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act] was being considered, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that it would increase budget deficits by $787 billion between fiscal years 2009 and 2019. CBO now estimates that the total impact over the 2009–2019 period will amount to about $831 billion.

    By CBO’s estimate, close to half of that impact occurred in fiscal year 2010, and more than 90 percent of ARRA’s budgetary impact was realized by the end of March 2012. CBO has estimated the law’s impact on employment and economic output using evidence about the effects of previous similar policies and drawing on various mathematical models that represent the workings of the economy. …

    On that basis CBO estimates that ARRA’s policies had the following effects in the first quarter of calendar year 2012 compared with what would have occurred otherwise:

    – They raised real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) by between 0.1 percent and 1.0 percent,

    – They lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.1 percentage points and 0.8 percentage points,

    – They increased the number of people employed by between 0.2 million and 1.5 million,

    – They increased the number of full-time-equivalent jobs by 0.3 million to 1.9 million. (Increases in FTE jobs include shifts from part-time to full-time work or overtime and are thus generally larger than increases in the number of employed workers.)

OK, so without the stimulus, there would be anywhere from 200,000 to 1.5 million fewer people employed right now? That means the current cost-per-job created is somewhere between $4.1 million and $540,000.

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Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., told the Huffington Post today that the gay rights group the Log Cabin Republicans model themselves after “Uncle Tom,” the servile black slave character in the novel Uncle Tom’s Cabin.

The liberal, openly gay congressman told the website he was “appalled” by the group’s support of Republican Party:

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johnm214 said:

Achumen said:

I should start by saying, I've been watching the banter between the Dems and GOP for the last 2 years and I've seen quite a lot of interesting things but one question comes to mind: "Why vote Republican?" and I don't wanna hear something stupid like "Obama's a faggot". I want a legit answer because I seem to have a hard time getting a legit answer from Republicans.

Now, I'm not saying the Democrats are completely innocent but from where I'm standing they have "purer" intentions.

Please, change my mind, Enlighten me.

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I'm probably not a "republican voter", but I'll answer the question anyways:


1.  To decrease the defeciet.  Obama has supported and signed legislation that has increased our defeciet by a large amount.  If Romney is elected, its somewhat more likely that he'll veto crap that increases our defeceit further (other than military stuff, which Republicans often seem to apply different standards to), and its quite possible his rhetoric will be able to bring attention to the issue and dissuade congress from continuing down this path.

2.  Help the economy.  By not having the looming threat of government intervention in various markets, there will be a more normalized and predictable outlook for businesses and investors, helping the economy.  Romney running the massive administrative apparatuses would probably help reduce pressure on companys through rulemaking and enforcement tending more towards a hands off approach of purely private concerns.

3.  Steer the country to a conservative, smaller government mindset: highly speculative, but people tend to view the present state as normative, and will perhaps support less government involvement in our lives and more freedom if a Republican is president who is somewhat conservative.  This has, philosophically, the best chance for reducing the harms of drug prohibition and other government involvement in private lives (other than marriage and abortion, which republicans seem to have a particular desire to control).  Beyond Mitt's thuggish stance on the use of substances he doesn't approve of, the philosophy of prohibition is completely morally bankrupt from a conservative standpoint, and if we can keep him from fucking up harm reduction (opioid maintnance/treatment facilities, and laws, access to clean needles, 'medical' marijuana clinics, et cet) more than Obama is, there may be some small future benefit.

Lucid Dreaming said:

Don't vote republican. That would mean Mitt Romney would become president. When I look in his eyes I don't see the emotion of a normal person, I see the shell of a money chaser.

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What's that based on?  Should we vote based on your, or even our, "eye gazing"?  Sounds like ridiculous nonsense.

Who cares even if he is a money chaser?  Why does that matter?

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He wants to cut taxes for the rich, increase them for the poor, and decrease regulations. Bill Clinton fixed our economy doing exactly the opposite.

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?  You've got to be kidding me- let's here this justified.  Clinton got into office and promptly adopted some of the most radical deregulation proposals of the Republicans.  He slashed welfare/aid to the poor eligibility and beefed up requirements to get it more than even many Republicans were asking for.  He instituted a thuggish restraint on Habeas Corpus via AEDPA.  Have you just made this up from your preconceptions of Clinton as a liberal synthesized with your knowledge that the economy did well under him?  This is absurd.

Clinton's whole schtick seemed to be giving pandering speeches and doing whatever seemed expediant- he gave the Republicans a lot of what they wanted.  How this man is considered a regulator is beyond me- the liberals who were paying attention hated him at the time.

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Obama loves spending money and I hate the Idea of us not starting on our huge debt, so I say vote libertarian.

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Probably the best option.

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zappaisgod said:

It wobbles my mind that anybody would give one shred of credit when the opposition tells what the other party's policies are.  I am going to vote Republican because of the huge amount of damage liberals have done to this country.  We are becoming a nation of dependents and that is not a good thing.  To help explain my disgust for Democrats see this:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/04/dnc-video-government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-to/

John Kennedy was dead wrong with his fucking "Ask not" speech.  Fuck you, Kennedy, the only purpose of government ("your country") is to do for the people.

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